The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 5

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[AbsractPo3tic]

I also was thinking maybe Dr conner lost his finger instead the arm?

no he lost his arm..there's a scene in the trailer where you can see he's missing his right arm

 

[TheSlag]

He's not van adder anymore remember? They changed his characters name so who knows his connection to Norman now. Probably still to oscorp especially the way the lizard went after him in the trailer.

And as far as Norman being n the movie it's still a possibility. I know most people think its impossible to b surprised now in the age of the Internet but it still is. Wouldn't you rather be surprised that Norman is in the flick as opposed to knowing who he is and and seeing his scenes already?

I would love it, and be surprised as hell if they are able to keep something like that out of the news (internet, etc.). Hope so!

I doubt they will cast Osborn(s) yet, since the storyline in ASM1 will not involve them. I think they will simply hint at the character and his counterpart.

I would LOVE to see an ending calling card or somesuch.. like a Pumkin Bomb left on Peter's stoop... or some police report where they question why witnesses report seeing a pumpkin bomb before the explosion/etc.

*similar to Batman Begins/Joker*

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I would love it, and be surprised as hell if they are able to keep something like that out of the news (internet, etc.). Hope so!

I doubt they will cast Osborn(s) yet, since the storyline in ASM1 will not involve them. I think they will simply hint at the character and his counterpart.

I would LOVE to see an ending calling card or somesuch.. like a Pumkin Bomb left on Peter's stoop... or some police report where they question why witnesses report seeing a pumpkin bomb before the explosion/etc.

*similar to Batman Begins/Joker*

I like that idea it would be a great teaser for the sequel.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It would be nice to get some sort of tease, but, as much as I doubt Green Goblin will be the villain in the sequel, it shouldn't have anymore similarities to Batman Begins.

 

[Michael Frost]

It's a bit obvious that they have to kill Gwen off in the second movie... It's the Empire Strikes Back syndrome. Middle movie of the trilogy leaves you on a downer only to conclude it neatly on the third movie. Also, it's a bit obvious that this movie is following Nolan's Batman type of narrative structure which also draws alot from the Star Wars OT.

Killing Gwen off at the end of the trilogy would be a big mistep specially if they follow it closely to the comics. It would literally end the trilogy on a depressive note. Even if you shove Mary Jane at the end...

Question is how the hell are they going to handle a Goblin in the second movie, killing Gwen in it and then having enough strong material left for the third movie to not feel somewhat disjointed. Maybe they'll have Goblin being the antagonist for two movies. But that seems a bit of a stretch in this day and age dominated by merchandising fueled moviemaking...

 

[Herolee10]

If we were only to get THREE FILMS from Webb's franchise, meaning that there would be no more after the third with Andrew's version of Peter Parker, which villains would you guys want to appear in the two remaining films?

1. Venom
2. Green Goblin
3. Electro
4. Dock Oct
5. Vulture
6. Shocker
7. Hob Goblin

etc.


Personally, it'd be pretty hard to really bring in the more favorite villains that have not as of yet had their chance to grace the big screen if we're limited to two more films, not to mention, the general feeling around here is that the Green Goblin might be brought back in Webb's series due to Oscorp being heavily featured in the first film, along with Webb having said that he'd be interested in doing the Gwen Stacy storyline that involved her dying, etc.

And personally, I want to see venom again and done right this time.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I've always said, four movies would be the best route to go, so we can skip the whole similarities ONCE MORE if they bring in Green Goblin for the sequel. Save him for the third, kill Gwen and have the fourth all about the friendship, not relationship, of Peter and MJ.

1.) Lizard
2.) Electro
3.) Green Goblin
4.) Mysterio

 

[TheSlag]

I don't mind taking good ideas from any other films. All films have done aspects of that.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I would love it, and be surprised as hell if they are able to keep something like that out of the news (internet, etc.). Hope so!

I doubt they will cast Osborn(s) yet, since the storyline in ASM1 will not involve them. I think they will simply hint at the character and his counterpart.

I would LOVE to see an ending calling card or somesuch.. like a Pumkin Bomb left on Peter's stoop... or some police report where they question why witnesses report seeing a pumpkin bomb before the explosion/etc.

*similar to Batman Begins/Joker*

Here's my problem with that and it's not the fact that it's similar to another movie but it's the idea that the Goblin can be fully formed without a backstory. Now grant it, we all know his backstory and it's already been shown to a degree in '02, but Norman/Green Goblin is not the joker; the joker can be fully formed as is and doesn't need any backstory to function because he is an entity, a symbol and an idea. Norman is a fully formed psychotic character with a kid, a company and a very dark secret. Having him just show up as the green goblin without showing any of that other stuff first robs the character of impact and robs the movie of a dramatic and emotional impact, especially if he eventually does kill gwen stacy

 

[Herolee10]

It's a bit obvious that they have to kill Gwen off in the second movie... It's the Empire Strikes Back syndrome. Middle movie of the trilogy leaves you on a downer only to conclude it neatly on the third movie.

Killing Gwen off at the end of the trilogy would be a big mistep specially if they follow it closely to the comics. It would literally end the trilogy on a depressive note. Even if you shove Mary Jane at the end...

Question is how the hell are they going to handle a Goblin in the second movie, killing Gwen in it and then having enough strong material left for the third movie to not feel somewhat disjointed. Maybe they'll have Goblin being the antagonist for two movies. But that seems a bit of a stretch in this day and age dominated by merchandising fueled moviemaking...

Well, I would think that the plan would be to introduce MJ in the second film as a friend and have her built as a new love interest in the third film like how they're doing in Nolan's franchise with Rachel to Selina Kyle.

Webb's Green Goblin could be this franchise's version of Heath's Joker in the sense where his actions leaves a permanent Scar on Peter's life that he'll never be able to recover from completely.

It'd be one tough ass job like I mentioned above to pick a villain for the third film if it were to be the last considering on how many great villains that Spiderman has to choose from.

 

[TheSlag]

It's a bit obvious that they have to kill Gwen off in the second movie... It's the Empire Strikes Back syndrome. Middle movie of the trilogy leaves you on a downer only to conclude it neatly on the third movie. Also, it's a bit obvious that this movie is following Nolan's Batman type of narrative structure which also draws alot from the Star Wars OT.

Killing Gwen off at the end of the trilogy would be a big mistep specially if they follow it closely to the comics. It would literally end the trilogy on a depressive note. Even if you shove Mary Jane at the end...

Question is how the hell are they going to handle a Goblin in the second movie, killing Gwen in it and then having enough strong material left for the third movie to not feel somewhat disjointed. Maybe they'll have Goblin being the antagonist for two movies. But that seems a bit of a stretch in this day and age dominated by merchandising fueled moviemaking...

Basically agree, but I could see it going:

1) Lizard (obviously) - tease of GG
2) GG - death of Gwen Stacy
3) Symbiote/Venom... playing off the anger that Peter feels from the death of Gwen - with the intro of MJ's character

And that is assuming only a trilogy, which IF the ASM1-3 is successful, I could see them doing more.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

no he lost his arm..there's a scene in the trailer where you can see he's missing his right arm

There is the scene in the trailer where dr connor was looking at his fingers.

also

I was wondering why did his arm inside sleeve of the coat not "cover" it like Dr connor did it in SM2

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

And that is assuming only a trilogy, which IF the ASM1-3 is successful, I could see them doing more.

But what about Andrew's age?

 

[TheSlag]

Here's my problem with that and it's not the fact that it's similar to another movie but it's the idea that the Goblin can be fully formed without a backstory. Now grant it, we all know his backstory and it's already been shown to a degree in '02, but Norman/Green Goblin is not the joker; the joker can be fully formed as is and doesn't need any backstory to function because he is an entity, a symbol and an idea. Norman is a fully formed psychotic character with a kid, a company and a very dark secret. Having him just show up as the green goblin without showing any of that other stuff first robs the character of impact and robs the movie of a dramatic and emotional impact, especially if he eventually does kill gwen stacy

Kinda see your point, but I think through flashbacks/etc. they can fill out the story in ASM2, and obviously develop the connection between Peter and the Osborns if they choose. Obviously the dynamics between Peter and Harry will be slightly different any way IF Harry is not in ASM1. I think they could still introduce him and Norman in ASM2.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I've always said, four movies would be the best route to go, so we can skip the whole similarities ONCE MORE if they bring in Green Goblin for the sequel. Save him for the third, kill Gwen and have the fourth all about the friendship, not relationship, of Peter and MJ.

1.) Lizard
2.) Electro
3.) Green Goblin
4.) Mysterio

It's tougher to tell a complete story with four chapters than it is three. That's why most of these things, at least when they're connected, are in three parts. That's really the main reason I had no problem with Spider-man 4 being cancelled..they told a story that had a beginning middle and end and when Peter forgives Ben's killer AND himself at the end of 3, the story is over in my mind. It's kinda like the end of the animated series where he met Stan Lee and they talked and Stan said that he doesn't sound at all like the guy Stan writes about and Spidey said we all have to grow up sometime. The series was over so in order to give it some closure, the hero had grown up to be more mature, wiser and become a man

 

[Spideyfan93]

It can be done, but it will be difficult.

And I too find that there will be 3 movies with the same crew and cast. There won't be four movies...when has it ever happened and worked out? And no, Batman Forever was bad...and Keaton left.

So the only logical way to do it if they really do plan on using the classic Gwen Stacy arc, is to utilize Goblin in the 2nd film and 3rd film and kill Gwen in the next film.

Amazing Spider-Man 2:
They will continue the story wherever they leave it here and use a famous villain. But the villain will not be present the entire movie. Norman will be in the movie and the other villain will build the anticipation for Norman becoming Green Goblin. In the 3rd act, the villain who the audience felt was the main...will be dealt with whether he dies or joins GG. But Norman will become GG and have the climatic fight with Peter involving Gwen and it will end with the famous Spidey killing Gwen scene. Movie will be like Empire Strikes Back.

And then the 3rd film will be entirely about Green Goblin and a partnering villain. If they plan on utilizing the parents/untold story for the whole trilogy...it will conclude here. We will find out everything there is to be told by the end of the film. And ultimately, it should end on a captivating high note.


And Gwen dying in the next movie doesn't have to feel rushed if her character is paced and portrayed well in this film and the next. I doubt anyone aside from us expects her to die at all so it'll be a shocker no matter what.

 

[Spideyfan93]

But yeah, that's why they should have introduced Harry and Norman in this movie...but then it would feel too cluttered.

So Harry and Norman are a MUST now for the sequel.

 

[Herolee10]

Basically agree, but I could see it going:

1) Lizard (obviously) - tease of GG
2) GG - death of Gwen Stacy
3) Symbiote/Venom... playing off the anger that Peter feels from the death of Gwen - with the intro of MJ's character

And that is assuming only a trilogy, which IF the ASM1-3 is successful, I could see them doing more.

I could definitely appreciate that route; though I wonder if there's any room to naturally fit in some lesser well known villains within the latter two films like how some other superhero films have successfully done.

Perhaps the second film could introduce Eddie Brock as well in order to give him a much earlier time to develop so that his transformation into Venom won't feel as rushed.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Kinda see your point, but I think through flashbacks/etc. they can fill out the story in ASM2, and obviously develop the connection between Peter and the Osborns if they choose. Obviously the dynamics between Peter and Harry will be slightly different any way IF Harry is not in ASM1. I think they could still introduce him and Norman in ASM2.

True that's always an option but that's Vanderbilt's call since he's been writing it since late last year. I'm sure once this movie comes out, the direction they're going for part 2 will become clearer but for my money, Goblin will be the villain in part 2, just as a writer, that's what I'd do and it seems to be moving in that direction. There probably won't be any clue as obvious as the joker's calling card but it'll be something clever hopefully

 

[TheSlag]

I could definitely appreciate that route; though I wonder if there's any room to naturally fit in some lesser well known villains within the latter two films like how some other superhero films have successfully done.

Perhaps the second film could introduce Eddie Brock as well in order to give him a much earlier time to develop so that his transformation into Venom won't feel as rushed.

I agree and would think they could and would.

 

[Herolee10]

It can be done, but it will be difficult.

And I too find that there will be 3 movies with the same crew and cast. There won't be four movies...when has it ever happened and worked out? And no, Batman Forever was bad...and Keaton left.

So the only logical way to do it if they really do plan on using the classic Gwen Stacy arc, is to utilize Goblin in the 2nd film and 3rd film and kill Gwen in the next film.

Amazing Spider-Man 2:
They will continue the story wherever they leave it here and use a famous villain. But the villain will not be present the entire movie. Norman will be in the movie and the other villain will build the anticipation for Norman becoming Green Goblin. In the 3rd act, the villain who the audience felt was the main...will be dealt with whether he dies or joins GG. But Norman will become GG and have the climatic fight with Peter involving Gwen and it will end with the famous Spidey killing Gwen scene. Movie will be like Empire Strikes Back.

And then the 3rd film will be entirely about Green Goblin and a partnering villain. If they plan on utilizing the parents/untold story for the whole trilogy...it will conclude here. We will find out everything there is to be told by the end of the film. And ultimately, it should end on a captivating high note.


And Gwen dying in the next movie doesn't have to feel rushed if her character is paced and portrayed well in this film and the next. I doubt anyone aside from us expects her to die at all so it'll be a shocker no matter what.

Personally, I think it'd be better to end Norman's story as the GG in the second film, and allow a new and stronger villain to have the ST in the third film

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

There is the scene in the trailer where dr connor was looking at his fingers.

also

I was wondering why did his arm inside sleeve of the coat not "cover" it like Dr connor did it in SM2

Spoiler

When I went to the event Monday, they showed him with no arm. He had this very nice line that he's a southpaw, not a cripple..then they even showed his right hand regenerate. Trust me, the arm is gone. It's a nub. It's not the whole arm like in most iterations of the character, more like his arm was cut in half so he's missing everything from the elbow down

 

[Spideyfan93]

Personally, I think it'd be better to end Norman's story as the GG in the second film, and allow a new and stronger villain to have the ST in the third film

That's an idea, but would it be more beneficial for what they are trying to do with the story to just introduce Norman, have him kill Gwen, and kill Norman...or set a bigger picture for the finale?

Although it would be interesting if after Gwen is killed, Peter becomes extremely blinded with rage and deliberately kills Norman.