The Amazing Spider-Man v.2

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah she's very short and dumpy in the pics

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Quesada draws her like the main chick from Parnormal Activity. It frightens me.

 

[roach]

Honestly, when you get right down to it, the number one thing that stinks about OMD is Peter and MJ dealing with the devil. If ANYTHING needs to be retconned, i would say change mephisto with someone else. I dont care if its Dr. Doom, get rid of Mephisto, the fact that peter owes this new life of his to the devil is what is tainting BND imo.

and this is what ruins it for me...not thats they choice to break them up although they could have chosen a better reason but that Mephisto was involved. Having Mephisto in the story is wrong for several reasons IMO.
1) Everyone got what they wanted. Since when does Mephisto do exactly as promised?? Mephisto would save Aunt May from the bullet just to have her die the next day in her sleep from a stroke.
2)In a group of beings who use souls as currency we dont know what love is or can do. What if its the equivalent of giving Osama Bin Laden a nuke??? How would Peter feel if the next day he found out the love he traded for Aunt May went into a device that killed God or made Mephisto the supreme being. He wanted it for some reason.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I do really think the day when this little fan fiction expermient is over, and it will be some day, that the way of going back to the married status quo could be an epic story with Peter and MJ battling Mephisto.

 

[WolfCypher]

A follow-up to OMD? Where we learn just why Mephisto wanted to ruin the marriage (I mean, Joey Q hated it, but at least he could give a deeper explaination to why Satan was so fixated on ending it).

 

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, as soon as this crap is over I don't ever want them to revisit it again. Hopefully Slott helps us forget it ever happened. I don't mind if some of the BND characters stick around but I don't what to hear about Spidey's revenge against Mephisto or anything like that.

 

[iloveclones]

2)In a group of beings who use souls as currency we dont know what love is or can do. What if its the equivalent of giving Osama Bin Laden a nuke??? How would Peter feel if the next day he found out the love he traded for Aunt May went into a device that killed God or made Mephisto the supreme being. He wanted it for some reason.

If JQ wrote that, you guys would be all over it for jumping the shark (my second favorite pithy saying right behind "lazy writing")

Actually, I think I'd like to see that story....

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I love how JQ takes a bullet from everybody... Marvel Comics Inc. wanted a single Spider-Man within a few years after the publicity stunt that "was" the marriage... and there have been many "attempts" to do so... with this one possibly being the one that sticks.

'Nuff said.

OK, I'm just going over everything I missed since I was away, so sorry if this was addressed, but JQ is the EIC at Marvel Comics. He is the very public face of the company. And for many years prior to OMD, he made it clear his dislike of the marriage, calling it "controversial" when, 20 years after the fact, I saw no controvery. And ultimately, OMD is JQ's story.

So you have to see why most of the venom about this would be aimed at him.

'Nuff said.

 

[Themanofbat]

OK, I'm just going over everything I missed since I was away, so sorry if this was addressed, but JQ is the EIC at Marvel Comics. He is the very public face of the company. And for many years prior to OMD, he made it clear his dislike of the marriage, calling it "controversial" when, 20 years after the fact, I saw no controvery. And ultimately, OMD is JQ's story.

So you have to see why most of the venom about this would be aimed at him.

'Nuff said.

Of course I get that... but it's not just "his idea"... hence why I said he "takes the bullet" that should be rightfully directed at Marvel Comics Inc.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not really. Everything about "OMD" besides the marriage actually being dissolved at the end of it is all Joe Q (with a hint of JMS), and it's most of that other stuff that people take issue with--the execution, Mephisto's involvement, etc. It may have been the most recent in a string of attempts to get Spider-Man single again, but the actual comics are Joe Q's brainchild.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, my point is that Marvel has wanted a "single" Spider-Man for a long time... way before JQ came on board, yet he takes the bullet for the story actually happening...

 

[Spider-Gnome]

In any event, I think this will play out that Peter would have saved her regardless; hence, they did not have to give up their marriage... and that folks, would be the Mephisto kick in the nuts.

I get that, I really do. It's just that you get ultimate evil winning. Also, you have Joe Q getting what he wants. So he wins. So, you do the math...



Seriously, the "kick in the nuts" seems to be the readers' as well as Peter's.


And I agree, Pete saving Aunt May like that works emotionally. It's the whole OMD that taints it. It wasn't really needed. It has created more controversy than the wedding ever did, in my opinion.

 

[T'Jai]

Well, my point is that Marvel has wanted a "single" Spider-Man for a long time... way before JQ came on board, yet he takes the bullet for the story actually happening...

He takes the bullet for the super shoddy execution...

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I mean lets all be honest, having aunt may die of a gunshot wound because of Peter would be a horrible and depressing way to end Aunt May's story and it would just make Peter a darker character.

But there's your "Spectre of Spider-Man" you guys like to throw out there.

And yes, I understand the reason he was less likely to "let go" in this case. The thing is, he had already come to terms with her death already after ASM #400. I wish they just had made that death stick (though, I'll admit JMS did some good things with her character).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, my point is that Marvel has wanted a "single" Spider-Man for a long time... way before JQ came on board, yet he takes the bullet for the story actually happening...

Yeah, and my point is that that only accounts for one part of said bullet. Plenty of the heat Joe Q is getting is totally deserved because it stems from elements entirely unique to his story, not anything to do with Marvel simply wanting Peter to be single again. Even you don't actually like "OMD," after all. It's a terrible, terrible story.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Well, my point is that Marvel has wanted a "single" Spider-Man for a long time... way before JQ came on board, yet he takes the bullet for the story actually happening...

Yes, and every attempt at single Spider-Man (clone saga, airplane explosion, separation, OMD) has been met with resistance. It's a bit ironic that probably the worst story to make him single seems to be the one that sticks.

Again, from my posts, you know I'm a strong supporter of the married Pete, and I am one of those older readers that grew up with single Spidey of the 70's. I could have accepted this magically single angle, if it were a Loki trick that I have harped on. It's the Mephisto thing that screwed the pooch.

This whole resolution from Civil War would have worked better with Pete's miraculous saving of Aunt May and then get the psychic blind spot, which I'm sure will be explained in the upcoming issue(s) of OMIT-not involving Mephisto, to remask Pete, and just leave the marriage in tact and not bother with OMD. I'm sure most of us Anti- and Pro- BND would be happy with that.

 

[Shockdingo]

This discussion about May reminds me of something. Another one of the things that bugs me is that she WANTED to be let go and reunite with Ben. She said this during a seance. She forgave....no....she never blamed Peter for this. It sucks and is tragic that she had to get shot, but at the end of the day, she accepted her fate and was going to go off in peace and be with her long gone loving husband. Peter was the one who couldn't accept this and in a sense went against her wishes.

 

[Happenstance]

I hated OMD but I have to admit, if they had just gone down a normal route and just had Peter and MJ split up then I wouldnt have had nearly as much of a problem. It would have been a shame to have them part ways but for me it was always the rediculous way they did everything that I hated.

Granted I dont like the portrayal of Peter since then but that was afterwards and wouldnt have made me drop the book like OMD did.

 

[SpideyInATree]

But Marriage is about having kids.....no its not. Marriage is the ultimate expression of love. Are we know saying that the homosexuals fighting for the right to marry cant because their union wont produce children(yes they can adopt but thats not the discussion)??????
I laugh because I got into a discussion about this with a 16year old at the comic shop. He tried to instruct me on marriage...me being a 38 year old divorcee.

Of course marriage is the ultimate expression of love. I think that Mary Jane is saying, "When we got married I wanted to have children". Obviously that's Mary Jane's, the character in the fictional comic book, view on what she wanted for herself, for her and Peter's life. She wanted him to stop being Spider-Man and they could raise a family together. He was never going to stop being Spider-Man.

I don't think Marvel, Joe Quesada, or anybody else is saying that's how EVERYBODY in a marriage should do things. That's just what Mary Jane wanted. A lot of people who get married don't want children at all. They just get married. I have neighbors who have two kids together and just live together and are not married, nor do they ever plan on getting married. People do what works for them in a relationship.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Weren't there a bunch of stories over the years where MJ was disappointed but ultimately understanding and cool with Peter being Spider-Man? Like, a lot of them?

 

[SpideyInATree]

He is trying to sell his comic by playing up the very relationship that he has continuously lambasted and mocked and derided. He'll move mountains to get rid of Peter and MJ, but has no problem using them -- and their fans -- to market his poorly-conceived fanfic. That is hypocrisy. Just because it's a business decision doesn't make it less hypocritical.

The majority of people who read comics don't actually follow online interviews or blurbs or 'con blogs. To people who haven't hung onto Quesada's every word for the last two years -- which is, again, the majority -- this may very well happen.

More to the point, the fact that he has no intention of bringing them back together and yet is teasing it anyway makes it more hypocritical, not less.

I can see where it's hypocritical, going off of Quesada's past statements. I'll agree too that the majority of people who read comics don't read the interviews or the messsage boards. However, in the end, it's still a business and I'm sure Joe Quesada really doesn't give a crap if he's coming off hypocritical to a guy named BrianWilly on the Superhero Hype message boards.

Even if a hardcore fan of Spider-Man isn't linked up with the interwebs and comic news and podcasts, etc. I'm sure that if that person is really curious if the marriage is reinstated he or she can always just ask the guy at the comic shop, or the owner of the comic shop.

Many of the casual fans of Spider-Man that I know really don't care if he's married or not. They just want to read cool Spider-Man stories. So, it seems the only people that are angered over the image are people who are already outraged by the ending of the marriage, and will continue to be outraged by it. Most of those people are pretty linked in with what is being announced with Spider-Man...just saying..

 

[SpideyInATree]

Weren't there a bunch of stories over the years where MJ was disappointed but ultimately understanding and cool with Peter being Spider-Man? Like, a lot of them?

And there were a lot of stories where she hated that he was Spider-Man and it always caused a rift in the relationship.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Which were usually part of those stories where she ultimately understands that he'll always be Spider-Man. It's a whole arc. Only not in this case.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Which were usually part of those stories where she ultimately understands that he'll always be Spider-Man. It's a whole arc. Only not in this case.

Sometimes and sometimes not. I mean didn't she leave him at one point in time? When I jumped back on the title in 2002/2003 Mary Jane wasn't in the book and had "left" Peter.

 

[fifthfiend]

Sometimes and sometimes not. I mean didn't she leave him at one point in time? When I jumped back on the title in 2002/2003 Mary Jane wasn't in the book and had "left" Peter.

And then she got over it and they got back together, as Corp said.

So by sometimes and sometimes not, what you really mean is, always, and never outside of Quesada's alternate universe.