The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 2

[MahvelBaby!]

Well, I might as well just write it now. Since it's on my old nokia, I'll keep it short. The negative reviews you've read so far? They're way too forgiving. I have to say this, but this is one of the worst films I've seen, easily among the terrible cbm ones. Iron Man 2 is way better. Thor: The Dark World is way better. And yes...Spider-Man 3 is better. Peter's dance is nothing to the huge amount of cringe worthy scenes in this one. Electro is much worse than I expected even with the reviews in mind. I almost wanted to leave already in the first act. And yes, while the score sounds great on cd, it did not fit at all in the film. Dr Kafka wears frickin lipstick. Neither Norman nor Harry felt anything like the characters you know and love. Electro is much cooler in the comics. Green Goblin...ugh. Giamatti does his worst role. Sandman were better than any of those. I am completely honest when I say that to me, the B&R comparision isn't too far out there. I don't even think Andrew and Emma were any special except for the last scenes. The action was disappointing and the visuals weren't anything special either. The film is so bad, that I now find it hard to appreciate tasm1 anymore because this is a franchise killer. Oh, and Uncle Ben has left absolutely no impact, in fact Peter seems to give no **** about him. And when Peter has to watch Youtube to understand batteries, or be reminded by Gwen about the physics class in 8th grade, yeah Peter comes off as stupid. Electro literally plays music with those poles. The airplane scene is dumb and is only there to remind us of how oh so dangerous a 4 min black out is. Time is rubbed in your face. The subtleness of tasm1 is completely gone, so is the heart. You think this review is badly written and messy? That's nothing compared to the writing and direction of this film.

Holy mother of God 0_0 I hope I don't share in your opinion when I see this,.

 

[jmc]

I feel that all studios with cinematic universes and plans ahead fall into the same trap.

Very much so, the difference here is that we're not really leading up to anything in particular.

 

[The Slang]

What I enjoyed most about the movie was that Spider-man actually had a personality. Raimi's movies never delivered in that sense, and TASM improved on the problem, but this movie was actually comfortable showing extended footage of Spider-man interacting and coexisting with the public/villains/Gwen while in his Spider-man persona. And he doesn't come of as awkward or quiet while he's in the suit, but confident and humorous. He's having fun. That's what I've always wanted to see, and it's for that reason that I enjoyed this movie more than the others.

There were definitely some problems though. Max Dillon was a rally stupid character. Practically anything would have been better than the portrayal we got (which had obvious similarities to Jim Carrey's Riddler). It was completely unnecessary to make him this unbearably pathetic guy who's in love with Spider-man, especially since he does an immediate 180 and hates Spider-man as soon as he becomes Electro. And why? Because the crowd is paying more attention to Spider-man? This guy has been obsessed with Spider-man, fantasizing about the two of them being best friends, then he suddenly gets jealous and turns on him?
Why make him love Spidey at all, why not just make him hate him from the start? Made no sense to me.

I enjoyed the Goblin/Gwen arc, partly because they made it feel new, but the story itself is inferior to the comic version.

Paul Giamatti's Russian mobster was too cartoony and difficult to take seriously, but I actually loved seeing him as the Rhino. When it comes to Spider-man villains, we need some of them to just be simple one dimensional bad guys. They don't all have to be sympathetic villains and have some big dramatic motivation or emotional tie to Spider-man. The brief Rhino segments were fun and amusing for that reason.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It was partly due to the crowd but i saw it more as Spider-Man wasn't the Spider-Man he'd been talking to in his room, if you get me.

He had a glimpse of him then became fanatical and crated a picturesque Spider-Man in his head then met the real Spider-Man and he wasn't THE Spider-Man he knew. So he felt that the whole time "Spider-Man" (in his head) spent with him was a lie.

If you look at it from Maxs deranged perspective he'd been hanging out with a guy and then the guy forgot who he was and was a different personality to what he was. So he felt betrayed.

 

[jmc]

Electro is a bit all over the place. I do agree with the Riddler comparison though, on more than one occasion that thought popped in my head.

 

[The Slang]

Still seems stupid to me. Why make him obsessed with Spider-man at all?

 

[FN Spider-man]

Because Spider-Man is the only one who acknowledge he existed (from what I seen from clips) he said he was a somebody and someone who does that makes you feel on top of the world
( i hope thats right and not cut out)

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

They had to have him as some kind of character before he became Electro. He didn't need to be obsessed with spidey but it gave him reason to side with Goblin.

They should've had him as a fan but not a goofy looking fanatic who wanted to be a hero like Spider-Man and once he had power became angered at how he was viewed as a villain and perhaps wanted to be the new hero by disposing of the old one.

So pretty much the same just without the crazy.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Sounds like it's time to fire Marc Webb. If you can't deliver one good movie with two shots at it, time to go. You don't deserve a third shot.

More like it's time for this series to find some good writers. Seriously though, I never would have thought that this movie would turn out having such polarizing reactions. Just a couple weeks ago there was a sense in the air that this film could have been seen by many as something really special, but everything around here feels so...deflated I guess. It's really disappointing after waiting 2 years with promises of how they would really turn things around with this one.

 

[The Slang]

Because Spider-Man is the only one who acknowledge he existed)

Yes, and saved his life. Which makes his sudden hatred of him later seem completely petty and unreasonable.

 

[grieven]

More like it's time for this series to find some good writers. Seriously though, I never would have thought that this movie would turn out having such polarizing reactions. Just a couple weeks ago there was a sense in the air that this film could have been seen by many as something really special, but everything around here feels so...deflated I guess. It's really disappointing after waiting 2 years with promises of how they would really turn things around with this one.

There have been a good number of people who seem to really like the movie, but I agree it doesn't seem to be the universally acclaimed homerun many of us were expecting.

I had a bad first reaction when the news came out that Orci and Kurtzman were hired to write TASM2 as I don't like most of their work. We'll see when the dust settles if the script is the biggest complaint. At this point, we don't know if it will still be a huge commerical success or not.

One of them (O or K) are supposed to write and direct Venom, right?

 

[antonydelfini]

Im getting scared that some people who appreciated TASM is hating on this since I liked that movie as well. I sincerely hope the lowered expectations surprise me. Damn.

 

[Em Dee]

Yes, and saved his life. Which makes his sudden hatred of him later seem completely petty and unreasonable.

Not really. He thinks that Spidey is against him & he thinks he set him up to get shot. And as the attention on the video boards shifts from Spidey to electro, he mumbles, you're so selfish..

 

[The Slang]

I don't see how that makes it any better.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Not really. He thinks that Spidey is against him & he thinks he set him up to get shot. And as the attention on the video boards shifts from Spidey to electro, he mumbles, you're so selfish..

I think at that point Max realised that he wasn't special to Spider-Man.

 

[The Joker]

Not really. He thinks that Spidey is against him & he thinks he set him up to get shot. And as the attention on the video boards shifts from Spidey to electro, he mumbles, you're so selfish..

Which is also stupid since the Cops were already shooting at him before Spidey even got there.

Electro's whole motivation is paper thin.

 

[Red Mask]

So if it isn't a big hit it should be bashed on? That's not fair. I gave this film a 7.5/10. It wasn't the best Spider-Man film I've seen but it's definitely one of the better ones.

 

[WebSlingerXLI]

Well, I might as well just write it now. Since it's on my old nokia, I'll keep it short. The negative reviews you've read so far? They're way too forgiving. I have to say this, but this is one of the worst films I've seen, easily among the terrible cbm ones. Iron Man 2 is way better. Thor: The Dark World is way better. And yes...Spider-Man 3 is better. Peter's dance is nothing to the huge amount of cringe worthy scenes in this one. Electro is much worse than I expected even with the reviews in mind. I almost wanted to leave already in the first act. And yes, while the score sounds great on cd, it did not fit at all in the film. Dr Kafka wears frickin lipstick. Neither Norman nor Harry felt anything like the characters you know and love. Electro is much cooler in the comics. Green Goblin...ugh. Giamatti does his worst role. Sandman were better than any of those. I am completely honest when I say that to me, the B&R comparision isn't too far out there. I don't even think Andrew and Emma were any special except for the last scenes. The action was disappointing and the visuals weren't anything special either. The film is so bad, that I now find it hard to appreciate tasm1 anymore because this is a franchise killer. Oh, and Uncle Ben has left absolutely no impact, in fact Peter seems to give no **** about him. And when Peter has to watch Youtube to understand batteries, or be reminded by Gwen about the physics class in 8th grade, yeah Peter comes off as stupid. Electro literally plays music with those poles. The airplane scene is dumb and is only there to remind us of how oh so dangerous a 4 min black out is. Time is rubbed in your face. The subtleness of tasm1 is completely gone, so is the heart. You think this review is badly written and messy? That's nothing compared to the writing and direction of this film.

Spoiler

jk lol, sad to hear you didn't enjoy it though.

 

[Red Mask]

Yes, and saved his life. Which makes his sudden hatred of him later seem completely petty and unreasonable.

I think Max was already driven over the edge with his transformation. Spidey forgot his name and I think that ruined his illusion of him.

The villains in this film weren't as well-rounded nor as fun as I'd hoped. At least Raimi took the time to develop the schism between Harry and Peter. Yes, this new version of Harry had been gone for years, but his Green Goblin was more like a Mr. Hyde with a heavier exo-suit. This is why I don't understand the hatred with Spider-Man 3. The villains in that film are as motivated as the villains in Webb's Amazing Spider-Man 2. The exception would be Harry and the Sandman actually proved themselves worthy of redemption. Also the girlfriend, Mary Jane, was struggling with deciding her own future, just like Gwen did. Once again, in this part 2 film, the hero considers quitting but returns in the end, both inspired by an important woman in his life.

 

[jmc]

More like it's time for this series to find some good writers. Seriously though, I never would have thought that this movie would turn out having such polarizing reactions. Just a couple weeks ago there was a sense in the air that this film could have been seen by many as something really special, but everything around here feels so...deflated I guess. It's really disappointing after waiting 2 years with promises of how they would really turn things around with this one.

I don't come to the Spider-Man part of the forums all that often so don't know the vibe but if people were expecting something truly unique and groundbreaking they are going to be sadly disappointed. If people go in just hoping for a decent film they will be at worst entertained.

 

[LizardMan07]

OK so I just saw the film. I absolutely loved TASM and this just solidified it for me.

Let's clarify a few things, most people see me to have a low standard for films, I thought Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark Worlds were good films, I found the laundry sherriff line funny and I have been a huge spidey fan for a long time. In short, I'm incredibly biased and tend to be very easy on films. I'm all about how it affects me emotionally, and the little quips that make things awkward dissapear if the film can get to me on an emotional level.

Anyway I'll spoiler my little "review" for you all. This is an analysis of characters as well so please don't read this if you have not seen the movie.

In short for those who don't want to be spoiled, best film I've seen all year with powerful underlying themes of identity and independence. It contained the most emotional scene that I've ever seen in a comic book movie, and one of my top ten in any movie I've ever watched. It was the first scene to actually make me cry in years, especially in public. I wasn't the only one in the theatre either.

9/10 for me. Would have been perfect if they took a little slower, [BLACKOUT]DIDN'T EMPHASISE THE WORD TIME SO MUCH[/BLACKOUT] and didn't use the "it's complicated" line. It bothered me.

I'm just going to give my two cents on particular moments and themes of the film below, I'll put it in a spoiler box because it's long and probably not interesting to a lot of you.

Spoiler

I am shocked with the bad reviews, yes, the story did move a bit fast, but I didn't find electro to be too aweful at all, he had something he loved, a light in the darkness, he manufactured his own hope and it was torn to pieces. His view of Spiderman was that of someone who was his best friend, he imagined himself as spiderman's biggest fan. It was his own way to cry out for help. I thought the Max and Gwen scene was really nice! In fact, now that I think about it, this same underlying theme is present in Harry, but in manifests itself in a different way. Harry's hope of survival is Spiderman's blood, in the search to save his life, he does irreparable damage to himself. He literally says "Harry is dead". He again felt betrayed by Peter in his last moments of sanity. It really was heartwrenching to me. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

I did love the opening scene, it showed how courageous Richard Parker was, fighting for what was right until the very end.

Peter and Gwen together were amazing. All their scenes left me in awe, I loved the scene where they see each other for the first time after 5 months apart. I loved their little "ground rules", I loved the bridge scene, I loved how she stressed it was "her choice" to be where she was. I thought it was the best portrayal of a relationship in a comic book movie, heck, it would stand up to some of the better romance films up there.

The going to England thing was heartwrenching, gave them a future, then ripped it away. The clocktower scene was absolutely phenomenal, I think I have already said it, but it is the first time I cried in a film in years. Absolutely beautiful and heartwrenching.

Some negative scenes? Probably the whole "It's complicated" stuff from Harry and Peter, please guys, if I can see something coming, it is far past cliche' and borderline repetitive. I liked the time metaphor, but honestly, if they were more subtle with it it would have been much better.

Loved the themes with the villians, Time theme was too hardly pushed. Richard Parker actually emphasises the word "time", it felt like the writers were saying, "Come on idiots! TIME! Cause clocks! And gears! And the time stopped when the web snapped and killed Gwen! Time Guys! Deep and meaningful! Watch! Time!" I think less telegraphing of Gwen's death would have made it far better too, and Gwen's speech was possibly a little TOO related to the whole "I'm a goner" aspect of the film.

My favourite parts of the film? The clocktower scene, that scene alone is a 10/10, sheer perfection. The montage of Gwen and Peter's moments together during her speech from the laptop, during the pain of trying to let Gwen go. Oh it hit my right in the heart. Starting to well up a bit just thinking about it! I loved the seasons going past with Andrew Standing by Gwen's grave, and the funeral scene hit hard.

I can see why people did not like the way it was structured, it was like one of those videos that make you hallucinate, lots of flashes and crazy, differentiating colours. But I think when you take time to process it, and look deeper into the colours and ebbs and flows of the film, it is something truely special.

I will be seeing it again for sure, probably tomorrow.

 

[Alt-Josh]

I enjoyed reading that BRAB. Happy that you liked the film so much, and just reading about the Peter Gwen stuff makes me sad.

I'M STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MOVIE, WORLD!!

 

[FN Spider-man]

OK so I just saw the film. I absolutely loved TASM and this just solidified it for me.

Let's clarify a few things, most people see me to have a low standard for films, I thought Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark Worlds were good films, I found the laundry sherriff line funny and I have been a huge spidey fan for a long time. In short, I'm incredibly biased and tend to be very easy on films. I'm all about how it affects me emotionally, and the little quips that make things awkward dissapear if the film can get to me on an emotional level.

Anyway I'll spoiler my little "review" for you all. This is an analysis of characters as well so please don't read this if you have not seen the movie.

In short for those who don't want to be spoiled, best film I've seen all year with powerful underlying themes of identity and independence. It contained the most emotional scene that I've ever seen in a comic book movie, and one of my top ten in any movie I've ever watched. It was the first scene to actually make me cry in years, especially in public. I wasn't the only one in the theatre either.

9/10 for me. Would have been perfect if they took a little slower, [BLACKOUT]DIDN'T EMPHASISE THE WORD TIME SO MUCH[/BLACKOUT] and didn't use the "it's complicated" line. It bothered me.

I'm just going to give my two cents on particular moments and themes of the film below, I'll put it in a spoiler box because it's long and probably not interesting to a lot of you.

Spoiler

I am shocked with the bad reviews, yes, the story did move a bit fast, but I didn't find electro to be too aweful at all, he had something he loved, a light in the darkness, he manufactured his own hope and it was torn to pieces. His view of Spiderman was that of someone who was his best friend, he imagined himself as spiderman's biggest fan. It was his own way to cry out for help. I thought the Max and Gwen scene was really nice! In fact, now that I think about it, this same underlying theme is present in Harry, but in manifests itself in a different way. Harry's hope of survival is Spiderman's blood, in the search to save his life, he does irreparable damage to himself. He literally says "Harry is dead". He again felt betrayed by Peter in his last moments of sanity. It really was heartwrenching to me. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

I did love the opening scene, it showed how courageous Richard Parker was, fighting for what was right until the very end.

Peter and Gwen together were amazing. All their scenes left me in awe, I loved the scene where they see each other for the first time after 5 months apart. I loved their little "ground rules", I loved the bridge scene, I loved how she stressed it was "her choice" to be where she was. I thought it was the best portrayal of a relationship in a comic book movie, heck, it would stand up to some of the better romance films up there.

The going to England thing was heartwrenching, gave them a future, then ripped it away. The clocktower scene was absolutely phenomenal, I think I have already said it, but it is the first time I cried in a film in years. Absolutely beautiful and heartwrenching.

Some negative scenes? Probably the whole "It's complicated" stuff from Harry and Peter, please guys, if I can see something coming, it is far past cliche' and borderline repetitive. I liked the time metaphor, but honestly, if they were more subtle with it it would have been much better.

Loved the themes with the villians, Time theme was too hardly pushed. Richard Parker actually emphasises the word "time", it felt like the writers were saying, "Come on idiots! TIME! Cause clocks! And gears! And the time stopped when the web snapped and killed Gwen! Time Guys! Deep and meaningful! Watch! Time!" I think less telegraphing of Gwen's death would have made it far better too, and Gwen's speech was possibly a little TOO related to the whole "I'm a goner" aspect of the film.

My favourite parts of the film? The clocktower scene, that scene alone is a 10/10, sheer perfection. The montage of Gwen and Peter's moments together during her speech from the laptop, during the pain of trying to let Gwen go. Oh it hit my right in the heart. Starting to well up a bit just thinking about it! I loved the seasons going past with Andrew Standing by Gwen's grave, and the funeral scene hit hard.

I can see why people did not like the way it was structured, it was like one of those videos that make you hallucinate, lots of flashes and crazy, differentiating colours. But I think when you take time to process it, and look deeper into the colours and ebbs and flows of the film, it is something truely special.

I will be seeing it again for sure, probably tomorrow.

that was beautiful man thank you for your inisght

 

[younglink42]

OK so I just saw the film. I absolutely loved TASM and this just solidified it for me.

Let's clarify a few things, most people see me to have a low standard for films, I thought Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark Worlds were good films, I found the laundry sherriff line funny and I have been a huge spidey fan for a long time. In short, I'm incredibly biased and tend to be very easy on films. I'm all about how it affects me emotionally, and the little quips that make things awkward dissapear if the film can get to me on an emotional level.

Anyway I'll spoiler my little "review" for you all. This is an analysis of characters as well so please don't read this if you have not seen the movie.

In short for those who don't want to be spoiled, best film I've seen all year with powerful underlying themes of identity and independence. It contained the most emotional scene that I've ever seen in a comic book movie, and one of my top ten in any movie I've ever watched. It was the first scene to actually make me cry in years, especially in public. I wasn't the only one in the theatre either.

9/10 for me. Would have been perfect if they took a little slower, [BLACKOUT]DIDN'T EMPHASISE THE WORD TIME SO MUCH[/BLACKOUT] and didn't use the "it's complicated" line. It bothered me.

I'm just going to give my two cents on particular moments and themes of the film below, I'll put it in a spoiler box because it's long and probably not interesting to a lot of you.

Spoiler

I am shocked with the bad reviews, yes, the story did move a bit fast, but I didn't find electro to be too aweful at all, he had something he loved, a light in the darkness, he manufactured his own hope and it was torn to pieces. His view of Spiderman was that of someone who was his best friend, he imagined himself as spiderman's biggest fan. It was his own way to cry out for help. I thought the Max and Gwen scene was really nice! In fact, now that I think about it, this same underlying theme is present in Harry, but in manifests itself in a different way. Harry's hope of survival is Spiderman's blood, in the search to save his life, he does irreparable damage to himself. He literally says "Harry is dead". He again felt betrayed by Peter in his last moments of sanity. It really was heartwrenching to me. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

I did love the opening scene, it showed how courageous Richard Parker was, fighting for what was right until the very end.

Peter and Gwen together were amazing. All their scenes left me in awe, I loved the scene where they see each other for the first time after 5 months apart. I loved their little "ground rules", I loved the bridge scene, I loved how she stressed it was "her choice" to be where she was. I thought it was the best portrayal of a relationship in a comic book movie, heck, it would stand up to some of the better romance films up there.

The going to England thing was heartwrenching, gave them a future, then ripped it away. The clocktower scene was absolutely phenomenal, I think I have already said it, but it is the first time I cried in a film in years. Absolutely beautiful and heartwrenching.

Some negative scenes? Probably the whole "It's complicated" stuff from Harry and Peter, please guys, if I can see something coming, it is far past cliche' and borderline repetitive. I liked the time metaphor, but honestly, if they were more subtle with it it would have been much better.

Loved the themes with the villians, Time theme was too hardly pushed. Richard Parker actually emphasises the word "time", it felt like the writers were saying, "Come on idiots! TIME! Cause clocks! And gears! And the time stopped when the web snapped and killed Gwen! Time Guys! Deep and meaningful! Watch! Time!" I think less telegraphing of Gwen's death would have made it far better too, and Gwen's speech was possibly a little TOO related to the whole "I'm a goner" aspect of the film.

My favourite parts of the film? The clocktower scene, that scene alone is a 10/10, sheer perfection. The montage of Gwen and Peter's moments together during her speech from the laptop, during the pain of trying to let Gwen go. Oh it hit my right in the heart. Starting to well up a bit just thinking about it! I loved the seasons going past with Andrew Standing by Gwen's grave, and the funeral scene hit hard.

I can see why people did not like the way it was structured, it was like one of those videos that make you hallucinate, lots of flashes and crazy, differentiating colours. But I think when you take time to process it, and look deeper into the colours and ebbs and flows of the film, it is something truely special.

I will be seeing it again for sure, probably tomorrow.

Reviews like this still give me hope. Well done BRAB. I know I'll enjoy this film at least, and I'm not harsh when rating movies unless it is actually bad. The good thing is Spring Break is next week for me, and after that its just 4 days. So pumped!

 

[grieven]

OK so I just saw the film. I absolutely loved TASM and this just solidified it for me.

Let's clarify a few things, most people see me to have a low standard for films, I thought Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark Worlds were good films, I found the laundry sherriff line funny and I have been a huge spidey fan for a long time. In short, I'm incredibly biased and tend to be very easy on films. I'm all about how it affects me emotionally, and the little quips that make things awkward dissapear if the film can get to me on an emotional level.

Anyway I'll spoiler my little "review" for you all. This is an analysis of characters as well so please don't read this if you have not seen the movie.

In short for those who don't want to be spoiled, best film I've seen all year with powerful underlying themes of identity and independence. It contained the most emotional scene that I've ever seen in a comic book movie, and one of my top ten in any movie I've ever watched. It was the first scene to actually make me cry in years, especially in public. I wasn't the only one in the theatre either.

9/10 for me. Would have been perfect if they took a little slower, [BLACKOUT]DIDN'T EMPHASISE THE WORD TIME SO MUCH[/BLACKOUT] and didn't use the "it's complicated" line. It bothered me.

I'm just going to give my two cents on particular moments and themes of the film below, I'll put it in a spoiler box because it's long and probably not interesting to a lot of you.

Spoiler

I am shocked with the bad reviews, yes, the story did move a bit fast, but I didn't find electro to be too aweful at all, he had something he loved, a light in the darkness, he manufactured his own hope and it was torn to pieces. His view of Spiderman was that of someone who was his best friend, he imagined himself as spiderman's biggest fan. It was his own way to cry out for help. I thought the Max and Gwen scene was really nice! In fact, now that I think about it, this same underlying theme is present in Harry, but in manifests itself in a different way. Harry's hope of survival is Spiderman's blood, in the search to save his life, he does irreparable damage to himself. He literally says "Harry is dead". He again felt betrayed by Peter in his last moments of sanity. It really was heartwrenching to me. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

I did love the opening scene, it showed how courageous Richard Parker was, fighting for what was right until the very end.

Peter and Gwen together were amazing. All their scenes left me in awe, I loved the scene where they see each other for the first time after 5 months apart. I loved their little "ground rules", I loved the bridge scene, I loved how she stressed it was "her choice" to be where she was. I thought it was the best portrayal of a relationship in a comic book movie, heck, it would stand up to some of the better romance films up there.

The going to England thing was heartwrenching, gave them a future, then ripped it away. The clocktower scene was absolutely phenomenal, I think I have already said it, but it is the first time I cried in a film in years. Absolutely beautiful and heartwrenching.

Some negative scenes? Probably the whole "It's complicated" stuff from Harry and Peter, please guys, if I can see something coming, it is far past cliche' and borderline repetitive. I liked the time metaphor, but honestly, if they were more subtle with it it would have been much better.

Loved the themes with the villians, Time theme was too hardly pushed. Richard Parker actually emphasises the word "time", it felt like the writers were saying, "Come on idiots! TIME! Cause clocks! And gears! And the time stopped when the web snapped and killed Gwen! Time Guys! Deep and meaningful! Watch! Time!" I think less telegraphing of Gwen's death would have made it far better too, and Gwen's speech was possibly a little TOO related to the whole "I'm a goner" aspect of the film.

My favourite parts of the film? The clocktower scene, that scene alone is a 10/10, sheer perfection. The montage of Gwen and Peter's moments together during her speech from the laptop, during the pain of trying to let Gwen go. Oh it hit my right in the heart. Starting to well up a bit just thinking about it! I loved the seasons going past with Andrew Standing by Gwen's grave, and the funeral scene hit hard.

I can see why people did not like the way it was structured, it was like one of those videos that make you hallucinate, lots of flashes and crazy, differentiating colours. But I think when you take time to process it, and look deeper into the colours and ebbs and flows of the film, it is something truely special.

I will be seeing it again for sure, probably tomorrow.

Thank you, BRAB. I have been astounded that more people haven't been bowled over by the sheer tragedy that happens in this film. The sentiment you expressed is what I imagine for myself since I love the characters from the first film, and know what fate lies in store.

And also why I can't imagine how anyone can compare this film (flawed or not) with characters as well acted as Garfield's Peter Parker and Stone's Gwen Stacy to the assault-to-intelligence Z-movie Batman and Robin.