The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 3

[The Joker]

I don't understand the there's a lot going on criticism. The plot flows well and it isn't hard at all to understand.

Understanding the plot is not the problem. It's that it's too cluttered and messy, and most things are under developed and rushed.

 

[TayDee]

What's underdeveloped? And how is it cluttered?

 

[SpideyK]

I had a VERY similar experience, I seemed to just forget the movie straight after, but today in work (rather than in bed, I was too tired to lay awake) was when things started coming back to me and my reaction to the movie became a lot more positive.

Woah.

Well, I suppose one can interpret this both positively and negatively. Personally, I think I'll chose to see it as a good thing.

It's a movie that leaves you wondering and thinking.

 

[The Infernal]

What's underdeveloped? And how is it cluttered?

Electro's character, Harry as well to a point and Rhino is arguably a glorified cameo with no development. Balancing the romance plot with Rhino, Harry/Goblin and Electro, Peter's parents etc. The slapstick/cartoony nature of some scenes contrasting against the more serious Peter/Gwen moments. It's a fairly uneven film at times.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Electro's character, Harry as well to a point and Rhino is arguably a glorified cameo with no development. Balancing the romance plot with Rhino, Harry/Goblin and Electro, Peter's parents etc. The slapstick/cartoony nature of some scenes contrasting against the more serious Peter/Gwen moments. It's a fairly uneven film at times.

Isn't that the nature of a comic book? Does it seem like they were trying to replicate that element?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Would you guys say you need to be already invested in the relationship from TASM or does the movie itself get people to be invested in the relationship?

it helps but i wouldn't say it was dependant on it

 

[TayDee]

Electro's character, Harry as well to a point and Rhino is arguably a glorified cameo with no development. Balancing the romance plot with Rhino, Harry/Goblin and Electro, Peter's parents etc. The slapstick/cartoony nature of some scenes contrasting against the more serious Peter/Gwen moments. It's a fairly uneven film at times.

Max had all the development he needed. He's not that interesting of a character to begin with. Harry wasn't underdeveloped at all. The Rhino's cameo was perfect where it as as especially after hearing Gwen's graduation speech and that he wasn't Spiderman for 5 months. That's how a Spiderman movie should be for me, serious at times, but fun overall. This movie was far more serious than fun.

 

[JayTee]

Rhino was underdeveloped? Good. I don't want to see a thug in a Rhino suit's flashback where nobody showed up to his birthday party.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

Isn't that the nature of a comic book? Does it seem like they were trying to replicate that element?

No, and it's far too broad a thing to say that the nature of a comicbook is like that.

 

[TayDee]

No, and it's far too broad a thing to say that the nature of a comicbook is like that.

It sure is the nature of a spiderman comic.

 

[Alt-Josh]

Rhino was underdeveloped? Good. I don't want to see a thug in a Rhino suit's flashback where nobody showed up to his birthday party.

Haha. Not every villain needs to have a backstory. Just show up and start wreaking havoc. If it worked for the Joker, it can work for other villains, too.

 

[JayTee]

It specifically sounds like a Spider-Man comic. Drastic changes in tone from the soap opera to the superheroics, jokes one second and death the next, constantly running sub-plots, some villains get "development" (such a BS buzzword overused by nerds) while others don't or don't need them, building things for the next story, etc.

 

[Nathan]

Some characters just work without a huge backstory. Rhino is one of them. I also hope we see Shocker. Who is either just a thug or hired gun. Again, no backstory required. Just a guy, with shock gauntlets, kicking ass.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

It sure is the nature of a spiderman comic.

I think you'll find the tone of Spider-Man comics has varied enormously over fifty years, based on the dozens of writers and artists, as have movies, cartoons and video games featuring him.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

No, and it's far too broad a thing to say that the nature of a comicbook is like that.

The contrast between the humor and serious moments sounds very much like a Spidey comic book to me. I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of how this is being interpreted cause I haven't seen the film. Some are calling the shifts a fantastic thing while others are on the complete other end of the spectrum saying it doesn't work at all.

 

[JayTee]

Haha. Not every villain needs to have a backstory. Just show up and start wreaking havoc. If it worked for the Joker, it can work for other villains, too.

Exactly! The Joker is INCREDIBLY "underdeveloped" spanning 75 years now...

and he's my all time favorite villain because of it!

 

[The Infernal]

Isn't that the nature of a comic book? Does it seem like they were trying to replicate that element?

Whether that was their intention or not it just makes for a messy/schizophrenic film at times.

Max had all the development he needed. He's not that interesting of a character to begin with. Harry wasn't underdeveloped at all. The Rhino's cameo was perfect where it as as especially after hearing Gwen's graduation speech and that he wasn't Spiderman for 5 months. That's how a Spiderman movie should be for me, serious at times, but fun overall. This movie was far more serious than fun.

For you. I'm just pointing out some points you asked for. Whether you want to acknowledge them or not is up to you. A lot of other people who saw the movie thought the same. You didn't? That's absolutely fine.

Rhino was underdeveloped? Good. I don't want to see a thug in a Rhino suit's flashback where nobody showed up to his birthday party.

If you want to join in on the conversation, then join in. Don't just sit there and snipe from the sidelines because not everything I say about a film you like is praise.

 

[TayDee]

It specifically sounds like a Spider-Man comic. Drastic changes in tone from the soap opera to the superheroics, jokes one second and death the next, constantly running sub-plots, some villains get "development" (such a BS buzzword overused by nerds) while others don't or don't need them, building things for the next story, etc.

Agreed. The Rhino needing development? The greatest writers in this industry would have problems doing that.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don't understand how people can complain that Rhino was a cameo yet also complain there are too many villains. So you think that the main villain doesn't get enough screen time yet you want to give more screen time to a side villain?

Besides, it's very clearly just a cameo. It was always intended to be just a cameo. The fact that people thought it would be more than that is a problem with the marketing, not the actual movie.

 

[SpideyK]

Yeah, I have no idea what people expected from the Rhino in this movie.

 

[JayTee]

Whether that was their intention or not it just makes for a messy/schizophrenic film at times.



For you. I'm just pointing out some points you asked for. Whether you want to acknowledge them or not is up to you. A lot of other people who saw the movie thought the same. You didn't? That's absolutely fine.



If you want to join in on the conversation, then join in. Don't just sit there and snipe from the sidelines because not everything I say about a film you like is praise.

Sniping is HOW I join!

Also, I don't know if I liked it yet, I didn't see it. I'm simply addressing the so called concerns based on other experiences.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

Haha. Not every villain needs to have a backstory. Just show up and start wreaking havoc. If it worked for the Joker, it can work for other villains, too.

It worked for the Joker because it's part of his character, the lack of identity - and even then, there are suggestions in the movie as to who he is (the ex-soldier theory for instance).

 

[TayDee]

It worked for the Joker because it's part of his character, the lack of identity - and even then, there are suggestions in the movie as to who he is (the ex-soldier theory for instance).

Ex-soldier?

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Whether that was their intention or not it just makes for a messy/schizophrenic film at times.

It kinda sounded like that was their intention based on interviews with Webb and others. I guess they maybe went 'too far' with things and didn't have effective transitions?? I could see how that wouldn't translate well for a film.

 

[The Infernal]

Some characters just work without a huge backstory. Rhino is one of them. I also hope we see Shocker. Who is either just a thug or hired gun. Again, no backstory required. Just a guy, with shock gauntlets, kicking ass.

Not quite what I'm getting at (and I agree with you about Shocker). What I'm trying to say is that Rhino is more or less 'just there'. Not saying he needs a long winded backstory, but just turning up more or less doesn't quite work for me.

It kinda sounded like that was their intention based on interviews with Webb and others. I guess they maybe went 'too far' with things and didn't have effective transitions?? I could see how that wouldn't translate well for a film.

I would probably say so. Part of the problem for me is it really does jar with the previous film's more grounded (in a sense) take on the action. There's a lot of cartoony cgi action (some of the cgi is a bit creeky too at times). For me that also disconnects from the more grounded parts of the film. If they had kept the sort action elements from the last film more I think they would have gelled better together in this film.