The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 3

[Predator]

In a way but some of the scenes that were taken out bugged me especially Goblin's attack on Oscorp. They cut his screen time hence why you're hearing the "he's rushed criticism". Still love the film though, a notch below SM2 for me. Middle part dragged a bit but was more emotional especially the 'you are my boy' scene. I wish they ahdn't cut out Gwen's letter and replace it with the graduation speech at the end. Had a lot more feels.

Can i see the full version?

 

[Fudgie]

Oh boy. Ugh. This was...this was terrible. I cannot believe how many people here are giving this movie 9/10. Because all the Spider-Man stuff aside, this is a terribly constructed movie.

There is no focus to this entire film. It feels a bit like they filmed an entire TV season's wroth of material and then scrambled to cut that down to a 2.5 hour long film. There is no real central bad guy, no central conflict really, it's just a giant mess of a "script".

I'm going to just list some of the huge flaws the films had below. Hopefully later I can write a more coherent review. But this movie, and the positive reaction to the film, has me too flabergasted to eloquently review this at the moment -

1. The opening scene of Richard Parker is so uninteresting and stupefying. Who on Earth cares one iota about Richard Parker's misadventures? It's never mattered in the books, the last film completely fumbled the ball on this subplot, and to open this gargantuan film with this dull "action" scene was just a terrible start. OH WILL RICHARD GET AN INTERNET CONNECTION? CAN HE OPEN THAT LAPTOP...AGAIN...? Just awful.

2. Opening Spider-Man action / Truck chase was perfectly good. Glad to have Spidey making jokes, even if they weren't that funny, and looked great.

3. Gwen's speech/relationship stuff was all fine. They milk the Stone/Garfield thing for all its worth, which is fair, but they don't exactly have a compelling arc to their relationship.

4. Everything, every single thing, with Max Dillon / Electro was actively embarrassing. The performance, the writing, the Dr. Manhattan echoing, the Times Square non-action scene. The Dr. Kafka crap. I mean...every single thing with Electro (up until the very final fight) was around a 2/10. Just awful.

5. I liked the stuff with Aunt May and thought Sally Field was great, but May voices a problem I had with the movie - WHO CARES ONE BIT ABOUT RICHARD PARKER!?!?!? When you have a character in your own movie saying "this subplot is stupid and you shouldn't waste your time on it"...that's a bad bad sign. The total lack of referencing Uncle Ben, or his philosophy, was shameful.

6. Do people notice this movie had 2 fight scenes? Two. Dos. Deux. 2. This is a 2.5 movie, with "three" villains....and it had 2 fight scenes. And they don't come until the last 20 minutes. I was stunned. This movie has a solid 50 minute stretch (from Times Sq to the climax) that are literally boring. BORING. In a Spider-Man movie! How is that possible?

7. Not only is that stretch boring but it's awkward. The sequence where Gwen is escaping from Oscorp personal just kind of happens in a very clumsy way. All the Kafka stuff is in that stretch. Harry going from friend, to punk, to elite prison break-in artist, all happens in that 50 minutes. I

8. The climax is well handled but I was so done with the movie at that point that I didn't really care. Well, I take that back, cause the Goblin Spider-Man fight was kind of terrible. And by the time Gwen was hanging by a thread and I knew this was the last time I'd see that classic tale translated to a different media...I was just sad. Not cause Gwen did what Gwen does...but this is the movie that got to attempt to adapt that tale. This was a fiasco of a film.

Spider-Man 2 was a 9.5/10 for me
TASM 1 was 7/10 for me.

This is a...4/10? Maybe? Cause I liked the CGI and the scene with Spidey helping the nerdy kid. And the last shot was great. But there is so much bad in this. Spider-Man 3 was a mess but at least that had a plot I could describe to someone. This was a travesty in terms of script and narrative structure.

Great review, buddy.

 

[TeeKay]

I guess that's one of the downsides to seeing a rough cut of a film. I wonder why they made some of those changes...do you have any insight on that?? I know, you aren't involved in the making of the movie, of course, but as someone who's seen a rough cut, can you make a speculation on why they changed those scenes?

Probably pacing issues and to cut down on time I guess. I'm glad they cut out Norman's head though. That scene was stupid. I dunno why they replaced the symbiote with Rhino's mech. Made no sense to me at all. At least we see Harry after the fight but I'm not liking the idea of him being behind the creation of the S6. It all makes sense in the narrative of the film but it's just something I'm not on board with.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Hey @TeeKay, have you made a thread or post that details what was different/not in/in your cut? Because now I'm curious .

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Probably pacing issues and to cut down on time I guess. I'm glad they cut out Norman's head though. That scene was stupid. I dunno why they replaced the symbiote with Rhino's mech. Made no sense to me at all. At least we see Harry after the fight but I'm not liking the idea of him being behind the creation of the S6. It all makes sense in the narrative of the film but it's just something I'm not on board with.

Gotcha. I'm actually glad about the Norman's head bit ending up on the cutting room floor...cause it did sound tremendously stupid.

 

[Akimych]

my problem is with Fiers curing Harry and not Norman. If we haven't post-credit scene we really don't know if he is really dead. So we saw he's dying of the same "spidey serrum" as was used by Harry.

 

[TeeKay]

Hey @TeeKay, have you made a thread or post that details what was different/not in/in your cut? Because now I'm curious .

No need for a thread. I'm sure there's already a thread of what things weren't in the film.

 

[shauner111]

OK cool, spoiler thread.

Man, this movie was a letdown. Truly a bad film. I couldn't believe it.

Like i said in another thread, Electro and Rhino are some of the worst villains ever portrayed in a CBM. Facepalm worthy stuff.

The writing was the worst part of the whole thing. What the hell are they thinking. Sony truly needs to sell the rights back to Marvel before they ruin Venom once again. The people running the show have no idea what they're doing or how to make a good Spider-Man movie.

 

[OriginalMiles]

No need for a thread. I'm sure there's already a thread of what things weren't in the film.

Oh okay, thanks.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

OK cool, spoiler thread.

Man, this movie was a letdown. Truly a bad film. I couldn't believe it.

Like i said in another thread, Electro and Rhino are some of the worst villains ever portrayed in a CBM. Facepalm worthy stuff.

The writing was the worst part of the whole thing. What the hell are they thinking. Sony truly needs to sell the rights back to Marvel before they ruin Venom once again. The people running the show have no idea what they're doing or how to make a good Spider-Man movie.

Ouch. Sorry you didn't like the movie. This one seems to be much more polarizing than the first one, sadly. Please remember to vote your rating in the sticky public poll thread! t:

 

[TeeKay]

Gotcha. I'm actually glad about the Norman's head bit ending up on the cutting room floor...cause it did sound tremendously stupid.

Mr Fier's goes, "Time to Wake up old friend" or something like that and I was like. The writers would have backed themselves into a corner for TASM3 trying to explain how he's alive.

 

[thomass]

My rating for the movie has improved after a second viewing. I seemed to notice more the second time around as it does go along at a frenetic pace. Seeing it for a third time at the weekend and I think that will be enough for me to settle on a score.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Mr Fier's goes, "Time to Wake up old friend" or something like that and I was like. The writers would have backed themselves into a corner for TASM3 trying to explain how he's alive.

Yeah, lol, I'd hate to see what Orci and Kurtzman would have come up with to explain that one.

 

[OriginalMiles]

I've seen it twice now and my rating stayed the same.

9.5/10.

Yes, that's higher than The Dark Knight, Batman Begins and The Avengers...

It's just so good.

 

[Hcmarvel]

For those of you who loved this malignant tumor of a film - can you please just explain how you can defend the amount of time spent with Richard Parker, his subplot, and that whole part of the film? Can you attempt to answer why that's in here, what it adds, how it improves the Spider-Man story to shift focus from Uncle Ben to his father. All the other issues I have with the movie aside, this is the one that baffles me the most in this film. I'm willing to listen to a good explanation that justifies this sub-plot. Could you try? Cause where I'm sitting, it's perhaps not the worst flaw, but the most obvious one, among the countless that plague this fecal-fetus of a film.

 

[Fudgie]

OK cool, spoiler thread.

Man, this movie was a letdown. Truly a bad film. I couldn't believe it.

Like i said in another thread, Electro and Rhino are some of the worst villains ever portrayed in a CBM. Facepalm worthy stuff.

The writing was the worst part of the whole thing. What the hell are they thinking. Sony truly needs to sell the rights back to Marvel before they ruin Venom once again. The people running the show have no idea what they're doing or how to make a good Spider-Man movie.

Worst villains of any Spidey movie and one of the worst of the CBMs that's for sure. Especially 'ol sparky. Boy did they make him lame.

 

[grieven]

I've seen it twice now and my rating stayed the same.

9.5/10.

Yes, that's higher than The Dark Knight, Batman Begins and The Avengers...

It's just so good.

 

[OriginalMiles]

For those of you who loved this malignant tumor of a film - can you please just explain how you can defend the amount of time spent with Richard Parker, his subplot, and that whole part of the film? Can you attempt to answer why that's in here, what it adds, how it improves the Spider-Man story to shift focus from Uncle Ben to his father. All the other issues I have with the movie aside, this is the one that baffles me the most in this film. I'm willing to listen to a good explanation that justifies this sub-plot. Could you try? Cause where I'm sitting, it's perhaps not the worst flaw, but the most obvious one, among the countless that plague this fecal-fetus of a film.

it was interesting.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Not much higher though! XD

They're all 9/10.

 

[shauner111]

I've seen it twice now and my rating stayed the same.

9.5/10.

Yes, that's higher than The Dark Knight, Batman Begins and The Avengers...

It's just so good.

Ugh. I respect your opinion but i have no idea how that's even possible. It was 100 percent a kids movie until a specific moment at the end which felt like it didnt even fit the rest of the film. Which was literally the only strong thing about it, as predictable as it was

Spoiler

Gwen's death

. The writing was really poor. Giamatti and the whole Rhino thing was the worst thing ive ever seen. Electro was the most cliche villain in history. Really bad stuff on the villain end. Goblin looked like if Billy Idol had a really awful flu. Harry was good and i loved the whole "young A-Hole" element to him. I dug his chemistry with Peter. But then when it starts heating up i immediately had the "been there, done that" feeling from the Franco era. They already did all of this!

Spoiler

Pronouncing Norman as dead and just giving the Goblin to Harry was a dumb move in my opinion.

even if the fight scene wasn't bad at all at the end. Speaking of fight scenes, the Electro and Spidey one was like a bad video game. Come on now. Dont treat me like an idiot Marc Webb.

The german doctor with Electro? What is this a bad comedy? Electro starts off as rip-off of Edward Nygma then becomes a bad parody of Dr. Manhattan meets Mr. Freeze.

The intro? Nobody cares about his parents or their bad acting. The CG was pretty bad here too.

The kid at the end? Are you serious?

2/3 on 10.

 

[Alt-Josh]

Yikes. Picked a bad time to come in here, lol.

Peter trying to learn about his father doesn't bother me one bit.

Also, I kind of think some are overstating Uncle Ben's importance here. In Spider-Man 2, which I love, Peter tells Ben, "I'm not being Spider-Man anymore." Then what motivates him to put the mask back on is Mary Jane. It has nothing to do with Ben. And that didn't bother me. So, yeah...

 

[OriginalMiles]

Ugh. I respect your opinion but i have no idea how that's even possible. It was 100 percent a kids movie until a specific moment at the end which felt like it didnt even fit the rest of the film. Which was literally the only strong thing about it, as predictable as it was

Spoiler

Gwen's death

. The writing was really poor. Giamatti and the whole Rhino thing was the worst thing ive ever seen. Electro was the most cliche villain in history. Really bad stuff on the villain end. Goblin looked like if Billy Idol had a really awful flu. Harry was good and i loved the whole "young *******" element to him. I dug his chemistry with Peter. But then when it starts heating up i immediately had the "been there, done that" feeling from the Franco era. They already did all of this!

Spoiler

Pronouncing Norman as dead and just giving the Goblin to Harry was a dumb move in my opinion.

even if the fight scene wasn't bad at all at the end. Speaking of fight scenes, the Electro and Spidey one was like a bad video game. Come on now. Dont treat me like an idiot Marc Webb.

The german doctor with Electro? What is this a bad comedy? Electro starts off as rip-off of Edward Nygma then becomes a bad parody of Dr. Manhattan meets Mr. Freeze.

The intro? Nobody cares about his parents or their bad acting. The CG was pretty bad here too.

The kid at the end? Are you serious?

2/3 on 10.

It's only 0.5/10 higher than those three!

It's all different views and stuff.

In a few years we will see how it's generally seen.

 

[thomass]

For those of you who loved this malignant tumor of a film - can you please just explain how you can defend the amount of time spent with Richard Parker, his subplot, and that whole part of the film? Can you attempt to answer why that's in here, what it adds, how it improves the Spider-Man story to shift focus from Uncle Ben to his father. All the other issues I have with the movie aside, this is the one that baffles me the most in this film. I'm willing to listen to a good explanation that justifies this sub-plot. Could you try? Cause where I'm sitting, it's perhaps not the worst flaw, but the most obvious one, among the countless that plague this fecal-fetus of a film.

It concludes something started in the first film. The reasons for Richard Parker's actions are incredibly important to Peter and shaping his character. Richard Parker's work with Norman provides an interesting aside to Peter and Harry linking them further. Richard Parker was not only attempting to destroy his research to protect people but Peter as well as his genetic material is in the spiders and could one day lead people to Peter.

 

[SikeMullivan]

1. The opening scene of Richard Parker is so uninteresting and stupefying. Who on Earth cares one iota about Richard Parker's misadventures? It's never mattered in the books, the last film completely fumbled the ball on this subplot, and to open this gargantuan film with this dull "action" scene was just a terrible start. OH WILL RICHARD GET AN INTERNET CONNECTION? CAN HE OPEN THAT LAPTOP...AGAIN...? Just awful.

So your issue isn't actually the fact that it's bad, you just don't like it.

I bet you're also someone who would complain that it's a rehash if they didn't differentiate this series with the inclusion of Peter's parents...

To answer the question: people who care about Richard Parker's "misadventures" are people who actually are willing the let this franchise breathe life into itself so we're not seeing the same **** in a new toilet.

I haven't seen the film myself, but due to my lack of discipline I can tell you that Richard's work is the catalyst for the entire third act.

Without Richard's work, there is no conflict between Harry and Peter regarding Spider-Man's blood because without Richard, the work is no longer coded to Parker DNA.

If you don't take a liking to this approach because it was "never in the books" (what a tired complaint that is huh?), that's one thing, but to notch it up as an actual problem of the film itself is stupid.

 

[thomass]

Ugh. I respect your opinion but i have no idea how that's even possible. It was 100 percent a kids movie until a specific moment at the end which felt like it didnt even fit the rest of the film. Which was literally the only strong thing about it, as predictable as it was

Spoiler

Gwen's death

. The writing was really poor. Giamatti and the whole Rhino thing was the worst thing ive ever seen. Electro was the most cliche villain in history. Really bad stuff on the villain end. Goblin looked like if Billy Idol had a really awful flu. Harry was good and i loved the whole "young A-Hole" element to him. I dug his chemistry with Peter. But then when it starts heating up i immediately had the "been there, done that" feeling from the Franco era. They already did all of this!

Spoiler

Pronouncing Norman as dead and just giving the Goblin to Harry was a dumb move in my opinion.

even if the fight scene wasn't bad at all at the end. Speaking of fight scenes, the Electro and Spidey one was like a bad video game. Come on now. Dont treat me like an idiot Marc Webb.

The german doctor with Electro? What is this a bad comedy? Electro starts off as rip-off of Edward Nygma then becomes a bad parody of Dr. Manhattan meets Mr. Freeze.

The intro? Nobody cares about his parents or their bad acting. The CG was pretty bad here too.

The kid at the end? Are you serious?

2/3 on 10.

Fair enough that's your opinion. I have no idea how you could think it that bad though.

I don't get what people see in James Franco. In Spider Man 3 he was nothing more than a pretty boy on a flying skateboard in a polo neck and black bandanna.