The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 3

[Green Goblin]

For those of you who loved this malignant tumor of a film - can you please just explain how you can defend the amount of time spent with Richard Parker, his subplot, and that whole part of the film? Can you attempt to answer why that's in here, what it adds, how it improves the Spider-Man story to shift focus from Uncle Ben to his father. All the other issues I have with the movie aside, this is the one that baffles me the most in this film. I'm willing to listen to a good explanation that justifies this sub-plot. Could you try? Cause where I'm sitting, it's perhaps not the worst flaw, but the most obvious one, among the countless that plague this fecal-fetus of a film.

It connects to the plot. Oscorp is the center, all these subplots come out of it.

I thought they avoided the problems SM3 had with narration.

 

[shauner111]

My issue is that it's bad. It would be a lot easier for me if i just didnt like the direction. But this is truly terrible work. The day a Captain America movie stomps all over a Spider-Man one....God...what world do we live in?

Seriously Sony, sell the damn rights. Or change the writers/producers that keep running this thing.

I feel so bad for Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, Sally Field, Dennis Leary and Dane DeHaan since they're such good actors. And they all have chemistry. They're stuck in a pile of ****. If they had a different crew running things such as director, writer and production team then these actors would have delivered MAGIC.

Spoiler

We've seen this Harry/Norman crap before. You're gonna have this awful Goblin kill Gwen? It's the one emotional part of the movie that plays really strongly. Why not Norman? Just to be different? If they really wanted to change things up, Carnage or Venom should have done the deed in a movie that was written better.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Why not Norman?

Because Harry is Goblin. I honestly don't see why people are still so angry over Norman not killing Gwen, or Harry being Goblin first.

Be open minded you people.

 

[shauner111]

It's the Spider-Man 3 of the universe. Of course, until they make a Sinister Six or 3rd Spidey where he fights the Sinister Six...then it may be even worse than this.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

James Franco was my favourite thing about SM3.

 

[shauner111]

Why not Norman?

Because Harry is Goblin. I honestly don't see why people are still so angry over Norman not killing Gwen, or Harry being Goblin first.

Be open minded you people.

At the end of the day i dont care if it's not Norman, because everything else about the movie annoys me much more. I was OK with Harry doing it if he looked good and they wrote him better. But they didnt, therefore, im not happy with their decision. It's like if you follow wrestling. They end Undertakers streak at Wrestlemania with Brock Lesnar. I have a few people in mind that would have been better choices to end the streak, but id be OK with Brock doing it, if the match itself was not only hyped better beforehand..but if the match was also fantastic. The match and buildup was pathetic. So it's a huge mistake in my eyes.

I feel the same way here.

 

[shauner111]

James Franco was my favourite thing about SM3.

He's the only good thing about that movie because he was funny.

 

[OriginalMiles]

At the end of the day i dont care if it's not Norman, because everything else about the movie annoys me much more. I was OK with Harry doing it if he looked good and they wrote him better. But they didnt, therefore, im not happy with their decision. It's like if you follow wrestling. They end Undertakers streak at Wrestlemania with Brock Lesnar. I have a few people in mind that would have been better choices to end the streak, but id be OK with Brock doing it, if the match itself was not only hyped better beforehand..but if the match was also fantastic. The match and buildup was pathetic. So it's a huge mistake in my eyes.

I feel the same way here.

I get you...

I don't agree but I get you.

 

[The Joker]

Ugh. I respect your opinion but i have no idea how that's even possible. It was 100 percent a kids movie until a specific moment at the end which felt like it didnt even fit the rest of the film. Which was literally the only strong thing about it, as predictable as it was

Spoiler

Gwen's death

. The writing was really poor. Giamatti and the whole Rhino thing was the worst thing ive ever seen. Electro was the most cliche villain in history. Really bad stuff on the villain end. Goblin looked like if Billy Idol had a really awful flu. Harry was good and i loved the whole "young A-Hole" element to him. I dug his chemistry with Peter. But then when it starts heating up i immediately had the "been there, done that" feeling from the Franco era. They already did all of this!

Spoiler

Pronouncing Norman as dead and just giving the Goblin to Harry was a dumb move in my opinion.

even if the fight scene wasn't bad at all at the end. Speaking of fight scenes, the Electro and Spidey one was like a bad video game. Come on now. Dont treat me like an idiot Marc Webb.

The german doctor with Electro? What is this a bad comedy? Electro starts off as rip-off of Edward Nygma then becomes a bad parody of Dr. Manhattan meets Mr. Freeze.

The intro? Nobody cares about his parents or their bad acting. The CG was pretty bad here too.

The kid at the end? Are you serious?

2/3 on 10.

Wow Shauner, we may not always see eye to eye on TDKR, but I am definitely on board with a lot of your criticisms for this movie. Though I don't think it's a 3 out of 10. I gave it a 6, mainly for Andrew and Emma, who carry the movie.

But yes the villains were a huge misfire in this. Particularly Electro and Rhino. They were like something out of a Joel Schumacher Batman movie. No depth or nuance to them. Rushed, sloppy, overly campy, and in Electro's case a complete waste of Jamie Foxx's talents playing such a terrible hammy character.

I enjoy Dane DeHaan's performance as Harry, my problem is it was all one sided. It was dark intense Harry predominately. Only in one brief scene with Peter did we see his nice side, and their supposed best friendship felt totally unnatural and shoe horned in. Speaking of shoe horned in things, the "Goblin" at the end sure was. He literally came in, ranted for a minute, took Gwen, had the shortest blandest fight in history with Spidey, then [BLACKOUT]Gwen died.[/BLACKOUT]

Why not Norman?

Because Harry is Goblin. I honestly don't see why people are still so angry over Norman not killing Gwen, or Harry being Goblin first.

Be open minded you people.

Norman killing Gwen is like the most famous iconic thing in Spider-Man lore. I know all comic book movies make changes, and that's fine, but there are some things that shouldn't be changed, and that is one of them, IMO. Making Harry the Goblin before Norman is like bringing Robin in before Batman. Harry's Goblin is completely predicated on Norman being the Goblin first. I think TASM 2 completely messed up the Goblin story.

Even from a movie perspective it felt rushed. It was like the made Harry a Goblin just so [blackout]Gwen could die.[/blackout]

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

. The writing was really poor.

How so?

. Speaking of fight scenes, the Electro and Spidey one was like a bad video game. Come on now. Dont treat me like an idiot Marc Webb.

You must not play video games.

...then becomes a bad parody of Dr. Manhattan meets Mr. Freeze.

This is a lousy comparison, the only things they have in common is being blue (Freeze is more silver) and bald, That's it. And this has been Electros look since it was debuted last year, hardly something to be shocked at.

The kid at the end? Are you serious?.

It was touching and only present for a minute or two, not like they took half the film to have a lame kid-sidekick or something

 

[OriginalMiles]

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[The Joker]

Do you like Batman (1989)?

Not especially. I don't like how Batman was basically a side character and the Joker got all the story. I didn't like how Keaton's Bruce was like a unrecognizable figure instead of the well known man about town Bruce Wayne. He wasn't very interesting either. Socially awkward. I didn't like the Prince music. I hated Alfred bringing Vicki into the Batcave without Bruce's permission. Joker taking a fancy to Vicki Vale was totally random and pointless. But the worst thing for me was Joker being the killer of Batman's parents. Completely ruined their relationship for me.

Even the writer of the movie, Sam Hamm, disowns it. Said Burton included it last minute during the writers strike.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Not especially. I don't like how Batman was basically a side character and the Joker got all the story. I didn't like how Keaton's Bruce was like a unrecognizable figure instead of the well known man about town Bruce Wayne. He wasn't very interesting either. Socially awkward. I didn't like the Prince music. I hated Alfred bringing Vicki into the Batcave without Bruce's permission. Joker taking a fancy to Vicki Vale was totally random and pointless. But the worst thing for me was Joker being the killer of Batman's parents. Completely ruined their relationship for me.

Even the writer of the movie, Sam Hamm, disowns it. Said Burton included it last minute during the writers strike.

Hehe, I edited my post because I thought I might accidentally start a flame war but okay.

Bold: I hated that too.

I thought I would hate Harry Goblin because of that but I guess everybody's different.

 

[shauner111]

Wow Shauner, we may not always see eye to eye on TDKR, but I am definitely on board with a lot of your criticisms for this movie. Though I don't think it's a 3 out of 10. I gave it a 6, mainly for Andrew and Emma, who carry the movie.

But yes the villains were a huge misfire in this. Particularly Electro and Rhino. They were like something out of a Joel Schumacher Batman movie. No depth or nuance to them. Rushed, sloppy, overly campy, and in Electro's case a complete waste of Jamie Foxx's talents playing such a terrible hammy character.

I enjoy Dane DeHaan's performance as Harry, my problem is it was all one sided. It was dark intense Harry predominately. Only in one brief scene with Peter did we see his nice side, and their supposed best friendship felt totally unnatural and shoe horned in. Speaking of shoe horned in things, the "Goblin" at the end sure was. He literally came in, ranted for a minute, took Gwen, had the shortest blandest fight in history with Spidey, then [BLACKOUT]Gwen died.[/BLACKOUT]



Norman killing Gwen is like the most famous iconic thing in Spider-Man lore. I know all comic book movies make changes, and that's fine, but there are some things that shouldn't be changed, and that is one of them, IMO. Making Harry the Goblin before Norman is like bringing Robin in before Batman. Harry's Goblin is completely predicated on Norman being the Goblin first. I think TASM 2 completely messed up the Goblin story.

Even from a movie perspective it felt rushed. It was like the made Harry a Goblin just so [blackout]Gwen could die.[/blackout]

I might be a little harsh yeah. I might up it to a 5ish score when i see it again because i know ill like the Gwen/Peter stuff even more. It stands out in a movie that's filled with awful...ughh..ill stop

Yeah man. You said it perfectly. Hammy, no depth, Shumacher-esque villains. Harry had so much potential then it was crushed with how rushed they made it with that fight at the end.

I walked into the movie knowing the basic points without reading any spoilers. It was like "OK i bet this will happen, then Goblin takes over as the villain until Gwen dies then Spidey gets motivated again to setup Sinister Six". It was lazy in that sense but i would have been OK with it if it was a good version of that. It was on some Shumacher here.

You didn't like it man,we get it,but don't try to ruin other people excitement.

Grow a thicker skin. Im not trying to ruin any excitement. Im stating my opinion, im even saying what i liked about the film.

 

[Perry9]

Writers strike is never a good thing. cough Transformers 2 cough cough

 

[OriginalMiles]

I think TF2's problem is it exists.

 

[Nathan]

Harry's Goblin is completely predicated on Norman being the Goblin first. I think TASM 2 completely messed up the Goblin story.

One could assume that he is merely following in his father's footsteps.

Spoiler

We have seen Normal with Goblin hands. And we know that he had years to look for a cure, and he did have the enhanced Spiders in his possession. So he could have possibly already tried the same thing Harry did, and injected himself with the venom, in hopes that it would cure him.

So we might not have seen him as the Goblin, but there is a potential chance that he was the first. He simply didn't go out and bomb the city like a maniac. So no one ever knew, except maybe his closest allies.

Hopefully in ASM3, they find the proper cure and Norman will take center stage as the true Goblin.

 

[The Joker]

One could assume that he is merely following in his father's footsteps.

Spoiler

We have seen Normal with Goblin hands. And we know that he had years to look for a cure, and he did have the enhanced Spiders in his possession. So he could have possibly already tried the same thing Harry did, and injected himself with the venom, in hopes that it would cure him.

So we might not have seen him as the Goblin, but there is a potential chance that he was the first. He simply didn't go out and bomb the city like a maniac. So no one ever knew, except maybe his closest allies.

Hopefully in ASM3, they find the proper cure and Norman will take center stage as the true Goblin.

Spoiler

Unless Norman's been going around on a glider, cackling like a maniac throwing pumpkin bombs, with super strength after taking the Goblin serum, this is not Harry following in his father's footsteps as a Green Goblin.

This was Norman leaving Harry his research in the hope of finding a cure for this genetic condition they're inflicted with. Norman spent his life trying to find a cure and in his last years just wasted away in a bed.

For me, whether Norman is the Goblin in ASM 3 or not, the damage is done. They have messed up the Goblin story. Harry is the first Green Goblin. He began this whole Goblin legacy. Now he's seemingly starting the Sinister Six, too. Stealing Doc Ock's thunder as well.

 

[Predator]

It´s amazing how certain people act like if only positive reviews were welcomed.

 

[Bullseye1]

Personally I did not mind that the Gwen's arc has been altered. In many ways it makes it more personal since Harry is Peters best friend. But regardless of that there is more ways to commit murder than doing it directly. I've a feeling that Norman is pulling the strings and there was always ambiguity as to who actually killed Gwen. Norman or Peter.

 

[Bullseye1]

It´s amazing how certain people act like if only positive reviews were welcomed.

As opposed to people who hated the movie only quoting negative reviews as validation for their own views. Childish really but expected.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Norman never was the one to kill Gwen, he just dropped her.

Like Harry, he only dropped her.

So..... there's only one major difference.

 

[Perry9]

As opposed to people who hated the movie only quoting negative reviews as validation for their own views. Childish really but expected.

And that goes for both sides. Just saying.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It´s amazing how certain people act like if only positive reviews were welcomed.

Negative reviews are fine it's the aggressively worded reviews with hyperbole that tend to kick things off

 

[OriginalMiles]

Good negative review

"I didn't like it."

Bad one

"I hated this p.o.s excuse for a bad movie"

Is that right?