The Atheism Thread - Part 6

[C. Lee]

It's a perhaps until I re-read it!

How about taking it from the administrator who banned him....I banned him because he repeatedly equated homosexuality to beastiality.

 

[SentinelMind]

NO ONE forces ANYONE on here to discuss anything.

Someone brings up a topic you don't want or like to discuss....here's a bit of hard to understand advice for you....DON'T DISCUSS IT!!!

You are not required to discuss anything. You are not required to reply to anything. You are not required to do any thing at all except to be civil.

Ok, agreed, but I think its fair to remind people respectfully what the scope of the the thread is and ask it not be changed after the fact to get subject sidetracked.

 

[rodhulk]

forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=462479&page=40

It's all in the Jesus thread.

Thanks!

Personally as a Christian, I see where's he's going but it may not be exactly what he is accused of. In the secular world, there is a difference between homosexuals and abortion as compared to the other things he mentioned that I guess he got banned for. But to God, they are all sins. And many Biblical believers, myself included, believe that many/all these sins are going to grow more and more. So far, the two named above have already blossomed very well in our society, perhaps the others will, too. I'm not sure he meant that all these sins are equal or perhaps he did - and perhaps before God, they all are. I don't know. I'm reading his comment to show that sins are growing in the world we live in today. And that's the way I see it.

 

[C. Lee]

Ok, agreed, but I think its fair to remind people respectfully what the scope of the the thread is and ask it not be changed after the fact to get subject sidetracked.

Every single thread on here that goes longer than one post gets sidetracked at one point or another. When a thread starts to get sidetracked you can do one of 3 things....(1) ignore it and it will go away (2) report it and it will go away (3) argue with them like a child who is told he has cooties and destroy every ounce of credibility you may have mustered up to that point.

 

[rodhulk]

How about taking it from the administrator who banned him....I banned him because he repeatedly equated homosexuality to beastiality.

Yes, I read it now but my post above I hope answers the way I see it. And to be fair, I always like to read it myself (which I now have).

 

[SentinelMind]

The Harvest should have taken that discussion to religious debate thread or atheist thread or gay rights thread or news thread or wherever. He can discuss those issues without being sensationalist and hyperbolic.

 

[C. Lee]

I personally will never understand why anyone wants to come to a site all about movies and comic books and superheroes....and argue religion.

 

[rodhulk]

And I apologize to Marvolo if I came across the wrong way. I really didn't mean it. As Christian, I try to be better. I use exclamation marks more than I should. Did mention this already in one of the recent posts in this discussion but thought I'd mention it again.

 

[Marvolo]

And I apologize to Marvolo if I came across the wrong way. I really didn't mean it. As Christian, I try to be better. I use exclamation marks more than I should. Did mention this already in one of the recent posts in this discussion but thought I'd mention it again.

It's all good. No harm no foul.

 

[SentinelMind]

edit NM

 

[rodhulk]

It's all good. No harm no foul.

Agreed.

 

[LeagueOfBats]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake). I can't accept any religion at all really because I hit a brick wall with logic, yet science doesn't hold all the answers either. I'm miserable because of this; it's like our entire time on Earth is utterly pointless if we just fade away into nothingness (even if one day we progress to immortality, we have to worry about climate change and hope that we can all migrate to Mars or something in time); but that's another thing, we are limited by our ability to only feel what it's like to be consciously aware of ourselves and the world around us, so how are we supposed to fathom the idea of not even having that? E.g. I don't remember being a sperm, nor can I even tell you what it feels like to be asleep once I do so, it's like we can only feel the moments where we are awake, which is why when I drift to sleep I wake up in the morning having felt like it was only seconds after resting my head on my pillow. I wish I could just have faith in a God, because it would be a lot easier than having to stress about this everyday

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake). I can't accept any religion at all really because I hit a brick wall with logic, yet science doesn't hold all the answers either. I'm miserable because of this; it's like our entire time on Earth is utterly pointless if we just fade away into nothingness (even if one day we progress to immortality, we have to worry about climate change and hope that we can all migrate to Mars or something in time); but that's another thing, we are limited by our ability to only feel what it's like to be consciously aware of ourselves and the world around us, so how are we supposed to fathom the idea of not even having that? E.g. I don't remember being a sperm, nor can I even tell you what it feels like to be asleep once I do so, it's like we can only feel the moments where we are awake, which is why when I drift to sleep I wake up in the morning having felt like it was only seconds after resting my head on my pillow. I wish I could just have faith in a God, because it would be a lot easier than having to stress about this everyday

Whoa.... Ease down there pardner. Relax.


Lets take it one step at a time. Now... You say that you don't or can't believe in the general religious view of most monotheists? Ok... And yet the enormity of existence is also getting you down? The sense of meaninglessness if we are not the center of the Universe, yes?

I don't have an answer, I wish I did. The shifting sands of constant analysis, of not having an answer is overwhelming. Perhaps the best I can tell you is that, from my perspective, even though this life is fleeting, we are truly more connected simply by "being" in this Universe than we can ever contemplate, and that's amazing in and of itself.

Also any despair you feel? Well it only proves that in some way joy too must exist, in some way. You are young yet Brother/Sister. As someone with some years on you, I myself have found more solace in "Wisdom" over pure facts, or dogma.

 

[LeagueOfBats]

Whoa.... Ease down there pardner. Relax.


Lets take it one step at a time. Now... You say that you don't or can't believe in the general religious view of most monotheists? Ok... And yet the enormity of existence is also getting you down? The sense of meaninglessness if we are not the center of the Universe, yes?

I don't have an answer, I wish I did. The shifting sands of constant analysis, of not having an answer is overwhelming. Perhaps the best I can tell you is that, from my perspective, even though this life is fleeting, we are truly more connected simply by "being" in this Universe than we can ever contemplate, and that's amazing in and of itself.

Also any despair you feel? Well it only proves that in some way joy too must exist, in some way. You are young yet Brother/Sister. As someone with some years on you, I myself have found more solace in "Wisdom" over pure facts, or dogma.

Thanks. I know it's something I have to deal with, not having answers, it's still just scary.

Also, while I'm here, I should mention that however I personally feel about things, it doesn't bother me what other people believe and I in no way intend to start any heated arguments, nor do I hold any malice towards anyone no matter their religion (or lacktherof). Like I said, I'm not sure of anything, so I can't hate on others if they've managed to find solace in whatever conclusion they draw about how the universe works, in fact I'm happy for them, Christians, Muslims, Greek Orthodox, Atheist, Agnostic or any other world view/belief/religion/nonbelief. I guess I just need time to figure out who I am in that particular sense.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Thanks. I know it's something I have to deal with, not having answers, it's still just scary.

Also, while I'm here, I should mention that however I personally feel about things, it doesn't bother me what other people believe and I in no way intend to start any heated arguments, nor do I hold any malice towards anyone no matter their religion (or lacktherof). Like I said, I'm not sure of anything, so I can't hate on others if they've managed to find solace in whatever conclusion they draw about how the universe works, in fact I'm happy for them, Christians, Muslims, Greek Orthodox, Atheist, Agnostic or any other world view/belief/religion/nonbelief. I guess I just need time to figure out who I am in that particular sense.

You'll have time to figure all that out too, most likely. What I would give to be 19 friend.

 

[Feenix]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake). I can't accept any religion at all really because I hit a brick wall with logic, yet science doesn't hold all the answers either. I'm miserable because of this; it's like our entire time on Earth is utterly pointless if we just fade away into nothingness (even if one day we progress to immortality, we have to worry about climate change and hope that we can all migrate to Mars or something in time); but that's another thing, we are limited by our ability to only feel what it's like to be consciously aware of ourselves and the world around us, so how are we supposed to fathom the idea of not even having that? E.g. I don't remember being a sperm, nor can I even tell you what it feels like to be asleep once I do so, it's like we can only feel the moments where we are awake, which is why when I drift to sleep I wake up in the morning having felt like it was only seconds after resting my head on my pillow. I wish I could just have faith in a God, because it would be a lot easier than having to stress about this everyday

You don't need to have faith in a god to be happy. Just think, you have one life and only one life to live. Go out and live it. Take a breath and enjoy this life for what it can offer you.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

^ Wise decision, CosmicPinchy.

I'd rather LeagueOfBats reject theism for logical reasons than simply buy into bigotry with different window dressing.

*wink*

 

[Alex_Spider]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake). I can't accept any religion at all really because I hit a brick wall with logic, yet science doesn't hold all the answers either. I'm miserable because of this; it's like our entire time on Earth is utterly pointless if we just fade away into nothingness (even if one day we progress to immortality, we have to worry about climate change and hope that we can all migrate to Mars or something in time); but that's another thing, we are limited by our ability to only feel what it's like to be consciously aware of ourselves and the world around us, so how are we supposed to fathom the idea of not even having that? E.g. I don't remember being a sperm, nor can I even tell you what it feels like to be asleep once I do so, it's like we can only feel the moments where we are awake, which is why when I drift to sleep I wake up in the morning having felt like it was only seconds after resting my head on my pillow. I wish I could just have faith in a God, because it would be a lot easier than having to stress about this everyday

Now I feel depressed too because I wish I was at your age

You don't need to have faith in a god to be happy. Just think, you have one life and only one life to live. Go out and live it. Take a breath and enjoy this life for what it can offer you.

Perfectly said.

 

[KevanG]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake). I can't accept any religion at all really because I hit a brick wall with logic, yet science doesn't hold all the answers either. I'm miserable because of this; it's like our entire time on Earth is utterly pointless if we just fade away into nothingness (even if one day we progress to immortality, we have to worry about climate change and hope that we can all migrate to Mars or something in time); but that's another thing, we are limited by our ability to only feel what it's like to be consciously aware of ourselves and the world around us, so how are we supposed to fathom the idea of not even having that? E.g. I don't remember being a sperm, nor can I even tell you what it feels like to be asleep once I do so, it's like we can only feel the moments where we are awake, which is why when I drift to sleep I wake up in the morning having felt like it was only seconds after resting my head on my pillow. I wish I could just have faith in a God, because it would be a lot easier than having to stress about this everyday

It hits everyone once they start thinking beyond the daily routine and there's really no cure or help for it but your own determination to do things. Eventually you either figure out how to cope with the enormity of it all or you go a bit crazy and deal with it that way. Most people go a bit crazy at first by constantly worrying about everything that they can't hold onto but after a bit it calms down once you get used to it. just take some time, have some fun, go out and try not to think of it too much at once.

Also, on another note just noticed SM got a Prob. ban.

 

[Dr.]

I'm in a really awful place religiously. For absolutely no reason at all I've started randomly contemplating our existence as humans, frantically worrying about what's going to happen to me when I die, and how I'm going to die (and I'm only 19 for goodness sake).

We’re “cursed” with an understanding of our own morality. It sucks. But such is the human condition. Atheism can’t offer much solace here. However, I’ve yet to be convinced that religion does much better. Believers seem to fear death as much as anyone; and they avail themselves of advanced health care, nutrition and exercise in order to delay it. Moreover, when the end does come, survivors (including those who are religious) are deeply wounded with grief. This is curious behavior if an eternity of bliss awaits and the separation from loved ones is but temporary.

It’s true that the religious get to console themselves with thoughts of “God needed another angel” or an eventual heavenly reunion. But in many cases, I think this is a mere hope rather than a firm conviction. And just as often, the consolation takes the form of “s/he lived a good life.” There’s a finality to this sentiment - which is not all that different from how the proverbial atheist would process the event.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Personally as a Christian....

As Christian, ....

Why does everything have to be prefaced with "as a Christian"? Why can't it just be "as an empathetic person" or "as a human"? I have no problem with 80-90% of Christians. Only the ones who are sanctimonious and condescending. They always make it seem as if they're better because "as a Christian" they have the right to tell non-Christians what's moral and immoral. A good Christian wouldn't flaunt his faith and wouldn't tell others how to live, but just do right by what's in his or her own heart with no harm done towards others, and they'd definitely be more humble.

 

[The Endless]

A law can go too far... it can go too far. I ask myself, 'would Jesus do it thusly?' There is so much done in Christendom of which Christ would be incapable.

Zealots should think about that before they condemn homosexuals and women who want abortions to hell.

 

[Schlosser85]

The Harvest should have taken that discussion to religious debate thread or atheist thread or gay rights thread or news thread or wherever. He can discuss those issues without being sensationalist and hyperbolic.

As a mod for the section in which the gay rights thread is located, I can tell you in advance I will not look kindly on anyone who comes there to compare gays to pedophilia and bestiality.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing respectfully....but the kind of offensive and illogical comparisons, slander, and frankly, lies perpetuated by The Harvest are not welcome here.

 

[Hobgoblin]

More Christian movies on the way.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Persecuted-movie-Christian-Fred-Thompson/2014/03/10/id/557015/

 

[Snow Queen]

More Christian movies on the way.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Persecuted-movie-Christian-Fred-Thompson/2014/03/10/id/557015/

Anyone else think that this trailer feels hilariously overdramatic? Aside from looking really nonsensical.

I wonder if it'll be better or worse than God's Not Dead.