The Batman General News & Discussion Thread - Part 2

[SwordOfMorning]

There are very few ideas that would make me roll my eyes more than Scarface being a spoopy B Horror puppet. Just instantly makes it super lame to me.

 

[J.Drangal]

There are very few ideas that would make me roll my eyes more than Scarface being a spoopy B Horror puppet. Just instantly makes it super lame to me.

Same. It always annoyed me when a design is trying too hard to be creepy. This happens a lot this day and, in my opinion, it kind of ends up giving the reverse effect. I prefer things to be like the original Chucky (before the scars and all) or Curry's Pennywise, than Skarsgård's recent version or a thing like Anabelle...

So when it comes to the Ventriloquist, I don't think he should be creepy because of the way Scarface looks or talks, but when you suddenly remember that it all comes from the quiet, seemingly insignificant guy behind.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Very much into Scarface playing a role in this franchise though. Ideally he would crop up in The Penguin because Farrell screaming at a puppet in his ludicrous Joisey accent would be the peak of television.

 

[AndyTrevino]

The "SKAAAARY DOLL" thing is so overdone and quite stupid now that I would very much like to move away from that.

 

[Captain Tired]

I'd love it if Scarface was just a cliche, corny, wiseguy kind of doll like Slappy from the Goosebumps television series.

 

[C Prometheus]

Very much into Scarface playing a role in this franchise though. Ideally he would crop up in The Penguin because Farrell screaming at a puppet in his ludicrous Joisey accent would be the peak of television.

It needs to play out largely like Key and Peele's "Little Homie" skit, with Penguin starting off incredulous at Scarface and then just slowly gets lost in the illusion and starts acting like Scarface is real and the Ventriloquist is just a patsy.

 

[Lautox]

The voice of Scarface would be from the same actor playing Arnold Wesker I suppose or would they get another actor to voice the puppet?

 

[shauner111]

There are very few ideas that would make me roll my eyes more than Scarface being a spoopy B Horror puppet. Just instantly makes it super lame to me.

The b horror is what I’d want honestly.

 

[shauner111]

Very much into Scarface playing a role in this franchise though. Ideally he would crop up in The Penguin because Farrell screaming at a puppet in his ludicrous Joisey accent would be the peak of television.

Imagine Colin bringing the same energy he brought to the Gordon/Bats interrogation

 

[shauner111]

The voice of Scarface would be from the same actor playing Arnold Wesker I suppose or would they get another actor to voice the puppet?

Pacino does the voice.

 

[shauner111]

Let me clarify with my b horror comment. The creepy doll thing is more of a mainstream modern horror thing. The b level horror way would be to just have a cheap looking doll that looks like a regular doll (and that’s what makes it creepy).

 

[dhandler01]

Pacino does the voice.

 

[J.Drangal]

I need to see Farrell's Penguin losing his temper and trying to strangle the puppet at some point. That kind of stuff just wrote itself.

The other thing I'd like to see is Wesker and Scarface have a very, very brief exchange, but on their own. A little moment where their voices overlap, but without the film putting too much emphasis on it. It would be a sort of "blink and you'll miss it" kind of thing that, without making the character 100% supernatural, would create that little moment of doubt. Could be very effective in the "scary" department.

 

[Invader Joker]

Scarface should be Falcone as a puppet. Make him earn his place on the criminal underworld by pretending to be Falcone via a voice in a phone leading to people thinking that he's still alive to then be revealed as being a puppet all along.

 

[Kane52630]

Absolutely less than zero interest in making Scarface a hot topic scary doll. Just have it be a regular dummy!

 

[Boom]

Yeah, I think if you're going to embrace the sheer absurdity of Scarface then you might as well commit all the way with a silly-looking ventriloquist dummy. That's not to say it couldn't be creepy in its own right. It just doesn't need to be as "try hard" as something like the dummy from Dead Silence or the Conjuring franchise.

 

[antsman41]

It's crazy how this teaser perfectly sums up the vibes and feel of the finished film, even with less than half of the film had only been shot at that point.

Shows how Reeves respects the pre-production phase of his films. Unlike most (or all other) blockbuster/comic book films do these days.

 

[J.Drangal]

Scarface should be Falcone as a puppet. Make him earn his place on the criminal underworld by pretending to be Falcone via a voice in a phone leading to people thinking that he's still alive to then be revealed as being a puppet all along.

I'm not sure about the Ventriloquist impersonating Falcone because that would limit the thing to what Turturro did, but I like the idea of not showing the puppet right away. Fans will know what to expect but it still creates some "build-up" to it, while newcomers will certainly be surprised.

This show was what it was, but I always liked this design. It doesn't try too hard to be scary and yet I don't think Slappy ever looked more evil than this.

 

[antsman41]

Hell, the ventriloquist dummies from Toy Story 4 were downright scarier in that very simple way.

When I was little, my grandma gave me these realistic painting of clowns and they were way scarier than Jack's Joker. It's like how the simple-ness of Michael Myers will always have more of an impact than a zombie bug dripping Jason.

 

[Boom]

Right. There's something to be said about "less is more."

An innocent-looking doll being used as a murder weapon is inherently more terrifying than a doll that is purposefully designed to invoke terror. It's a perversion of concept.

 

[J.Drangal]

Hell, the ventriloquist dummies from Toy Story 4 were downright scarier in that very simple way.

When I was little, my grandma gave me these realistic painting of clowns and they were way scarier than Jack's Joker. It's like how the simple-ness of Michael Myers will always have more of an impact than a zombie bug dripping Jason.

I have a similar story. When I was a kid, I don't remember who offered me a clown figurine, the kind with a porcelain face. That thing was so disturbing to me that that my mother ended up selling it at a flea market. It was finally the neighbors across the street who bought it and, as a decoration, they put it at their front window. Facing my house. At any time.
I swear it felt like being in an actual Goosebump episode.

 

[shauner111]

I have a similar story. When I was a kid, I don't remember who offered me a clown figurine, the kind with a porcelain face. That thing was so disturbing to me that that my mother ended up selling it at a flea market. It was finally the neighbors across the street who bought it and, as a decoration, they put it at their front window. Facing my house. At any time.
I swear it felt like being in an actual Goosebump episode.

That sounds like a nightmare.

The more ordinary and happy, the scarier a doll or figurine is because they don’t move, they don’t have a changing facial expression.

 

[J.Drangal]

Right. There's something to be said about "less is more."

An innocent-looking doll being used as a murder weapon is inherently more terrifying than a doll that is purposefully designed to invoke terror. It's a perversion of concept.

Absolutely. I cited Annabelle earlier as an example of, in my opinion, "poor" design. When you look at the actual doll that this urban legend is based on, it's just an ordinary toy. But that's what makes it eventually scary. It's that contrast between a seemingly harmless, inanimate object and what could happen with it.
So many horror films lose their viscerality by settling for grotesque. The imagination has then nothing to develop upon, and it prevent any fear to really dig deep.

 

[shauner111]

That’s probably why Hereditary and Midsommar are more disturbing than other modern horror movies. Broad daylight, regular folk smiling at you..

 

[chintai80]

6 months later, i still can't get over how good this movie is.

i been rewatching clips and listening to the soundtrack on youtube. lol

rob's performance as batman is more subtle compared to previous portrayals.
i've said it before, but it's like he took the best elements of keaton's and bale's batmans and added his own spin on it and totally made it his own.

whenever i read a batman comic now, i imagine it in rob's voice and him underneath the cowl.