The Dark Knight Rises The Box Office Thread

[Boom]

People aren't taking IMAX ticket costs into account because there are, what, 500-600 genuine IMAX theaters as opposed to thousands of 3D theaters?

 

[Bruce Malone]

IMAX is a bonus it is not going to make or break a film's success. That being said TDKR will shatter every previous IMAX record. With an hour of footage in IMAX you will have a lot of people wanting to see this film in imax. Imax is gonna be marketed like it has never before.

I feel TDKR's success is the best antidote to all the 3d still being forced on the public. The avengers post-converted 3d is extremely forgettable and unnoticed about 10 mins into the film.

 

[Crimson King]

People aren't taking IMAX ticket costs into account because there are, what, 500-600 genuine IMAX theaters as opposed to thousands of 3D theaters?

Maybe it's different where you live, but we just had four or five theaters in the city convert one of their screens to IMAX. Pretty much everyone has it now. It used to just be the IMAX theater downtown, but higher ticket prices are attractive to theater owners, so now everyone's trying to get in on the game.

 

[Steyin]

Maybe it's different where you live, but we just had four or five theaters in the city convert one of their screens to IMAX. Pretty much everyone has it now. It used to just be the IMAX theater downtown, but higher ticket prices are attractive to theater owners, so now everyone's trying to get in on the game.

True, but I bet a majority of those are LieMAX screens.

IMAX tickets are not going to make up the difference of 3D, I just don't see it happening.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

IMAX tickets do not help as much as 3D ones and it's a falsehood to say otherwise.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think some of you guys are still underestimating this film's box office potential.

Box Office Mojo is predicting 500 million domestic and 800 million international, i know that sounds high but i would not be totally surprised if it actually finishes near those estimates.

I don't think anyone's underestimating it. Historically after a movie has a huge performance run like TDK, the follow up almost never outperforms the first one. Also not having Joker/Heath will cut down the audience size.

Tom Hardy is a great actor, but he's not the draw that Heath was. Heath was a mega A list star before TDK ever came out. Add to that the tragedy that it would be one of his last performances, aside from Dr. Parnassus and it's just highly unlikely that this film can match that draw.

Obviously critical reception is going to be huge. Hopefully it will score similarly to the second one, but you can't count on that.

The big factor is inflation, which will help TDKR, because it doesn't have to get as much ticket sales to make more money.

 

[Crimson King]

IMAX tickets do not help as much as 3D ones and it's a falsehood to say otherwise.

I didn't say that they did.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I don't think anyone's underestimating it. Historically after a movie has a huge performance run like TDK, the follow up almost never outperforms the first one. Also not having Joker/Heath will cut down the audience size.

Tom Hardy is a great actor, but he's not the draw that Heath was. Heath was a mega A list star before TDK ever came out. Add to that the tragedy that it would be one of his last performances, aside from Dr. Parnassus and it's just highly unlikely that this film can match that draw.

Obviously critical reception is going to be huge. Hopefully it will score similarly to the second one, but you can't count on that.

The big factor is inflation, which will help TDKR, because it doesn't have to get as much ticket sales to make more money.

I'll have to disagree with this big time. Heath was being considered a rising star and a former teen-heartthrob, but he wasn't an A-List Celebrity or Mega Superstar. The Joker role was suppose to be his coming out party (the same could be said about Hardy's, Gordon-Levitt's and Hathaway's roles).

Have you forgotten the massive backlash TDK endured when Christopher Nolan announced Heath Ledger as The Joker? Trust me, it wasn't until the general audience watched TDK that people admitted they were wrong about Heath's acting abilities. So, Ledger was no box office factor. That much is certain.

Out of the three, Hathaway (like Ledger) has received 95% of the negative comments, but WB and insiders are raving about Anne's performance as Catwoman. If Anne knocks it out of the park like everyone in Hollywood is claiming she will, then people will label Hathaway as a 'Gigantic Star'. She, however, will have not been a box office factor for this movie, especially when fans and non-fans rejected the idea of Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle.

 

[Boom]

Maybe it's different where you live, but we just had four or five theaters in the city convert one of their screens to IMAX. Pretty much everyone has it now. It used to just be the IMAX theater downtown, but higher ticket prices are attractive to theater owners, so now everyone's trying to get in on the game.

Those are most likely LieMAX theaters, and they showed The Avengers as well.

So we have TDKR (IMAX theaters and LieMAX theaters) and The Avengers (IMAX theaters, LieMAX theaters, and 3D theaters). It's pretty obvious which one has the greater advantage.

 

[Crimson King]

Those are most likely LieMax theaters, and they showed The Avengers as well.

So we have TDKR (genuine IMAX and LieMax theaters) and The Avengers (IMAX, LieMax, and 3D). It's pretty obvious which one has the greater advantage.

I think people are misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying Avengers didn't have 3D ticket sales to boost their totals. I'm saying that most are ignoring that IMAX could give TDKR a good boost. That's all.

And yes, I'm sure most of the new theaters are faux IMAX. Doesn't stop the theaters from charging $15 for a ticket, though.

 

[Crimson King]

I'll have to disagree with this big time. Heath was being considered a rising star and a former teen-heartthrob, but he wasn't an A-List Celebrity or Mega Superstar. The Joker role was suppose to be his coming out party (the same could be said about Hardy's, Gordon-Levitt's and Hathaway's roles).

Have you forgotten the massive backlash TDK endured when Christopher Nolan announced Heath Ledger as The Joker? Trust me, it wasn't until the general audience watched TDK that people admitted they were wrong about Heath's acting abilities. So, Ledger was no box office factor. That much is certain.

Out of the three, Hathaway (like Ledger) has received 95% of the negative comments, but WB and insiders are raving about Anne's performance as Catwoman. If Anne knocks it out of the park like everyone in Hollywood is claiming she will, then people will label Hathaway as a 'Gigantic Star'. She, however, will have not been a box office factor for this movie, especially when fans and non-fans rejected the idea of Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle.

I agree with you about Heath not being an A-lister when TDK came out. His casting was considered a gamble. However, his death combined with rumors of his performance helped create buzz for the movie. That's undeniable.

I get the sense that people aren't upset with Hathaway as much as they are the suit (specifically the above the shoulders part). Hathaway is a much bigger name than Ledger was when he was cast.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'll have to disagree with this big time. Heath was being considered a rising star and a former teen-heartthrob, but he wasn't an A-List Celebrity or Mega Superstar. The Joker role was suppose to be his coming out party (the same could be said about Hardy's, Gordon-Levitt's and Hathaway's roles).

Have you forgotten the massive backlash TDK endured when Christopher Nolan announced Heath Ledger as The Joker? Trust me, it wasn't until the general audience watched TDK that people admitted they were wrong about Heath's acting abilities. So, Ledger was no box office factor. That much is certain.

Out of the three, Hathaway (like Ledger) has received 95% of the negative comments, but WB and insiders are raving about Anne's performance as Catwoman. If Anne knocks it out of the park like everyone in Hollywood is claiming she will, then people will label Hathaway as a 'Gigantic Star'. She, however, will have not been a box office factor for this movie, especially when fans and non-fans rejected the idea of Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle.

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He was a rising star when he was doing things like 10 things I hate about you and the Patriot. When he did BBM he had an academy award nomination and that alone turned him into an A-lister.

I never got the sense that people had a problem with Hathaway. She's pretty much established herself.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I agree with you about Heath not being an A-lister when TDK came out. His casting was considered a gamble. However, his death combined with rumors of his performance helped create buzz for the movie. That's undeniable.

I get the sense that people aren't upset with Hathaway as much as they are the suit (specifically the above the shoulders part). Hathaway is a much bigger name than Ledger was when he was cast.

Heath's death only enhanced it, not created it. The first full-length trailer was released in December (attached to I Am Legend) and people were really liking what they were witnessing. That is undeniable.

While the backlash for Hathaway hasn't been severe and her name is much bigger than Ledger's at this stage of their careers, it only adds to the pressure. Anne is still remembered for her Princess Diaries movies, not for Love For Other Drugs, Havoc or Rachel Getting Married.

 

[kvz5]

Heath is a very solid B-lister when he was cast in 2008. About the same level as Anne right now but Anne is more popular because she's a media/tabloid darling unlike Heath who's more reclusive so maybe more around JGL's level right now but with more acting cred (because of the Oscar nod).

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He was a rising star when he was doing things like 10 things I hate about you and the Patriot. When he did BBM he had an academy award nomination and that alone turned him into an A-lister.

I never got the sense that people had a problem with Hathaway. She's pretty much established herself.

But he wasn't a Mega Superstar or a big name in Hollywood for the GA. That's the point. Heath's name never sold this film. People didn't want to flock to see Heath Ledger (the actor) as The Joker, at first.

Amongst the GA, there are those did not like Hathaway's casting as Catwoman.

 

[Bim]

Does anyone know if TDKR will have a worldwide release? I had to wait over a month with TDK, and i'm really hoping that's not the case this time around because... well, i cant wait that long (and wont, just like with TDK ). Please WB, dont let me down again!

 

[Travesty]

But he wasn't a Mega Superstar or a big name in Hollywood for the GA. That's the point. Heath's name never sold this film. People didn't want to flock to see Heath Ledger (the actor) as The Joker, at first.

But after he died, they sure as hell did. And I don't think he was ever looked at as some kind of "mediocre" B-lister. He was regarded as a very competent actor, due to his role in Brockback. The GA didn't really have a problem wit his casting, it was the fanboys that did.

 

[blueblazer2]

I don't think anyone's underestimating it. Historically after a movie has a huge performance run like TDK, the follow up almost never outperforms the first one. Also not having Joker/Heath will cut down the audience size.

Tom Hardy is a great actor, but he's not the draw that Heath was. Heath was a mega A list star before TDK ever came out. Add to that the tragedy that it would be one of his last performances, aside from Dr. Parnassus and it's just highly unlikely that this film can match that draw.

Obviously critical reception is going to be huge. Hopefully it will score similarly to the second one, but you can't count on that.

The big factor is inflation, which will help TDKR, because it doesn't have to get as much ticket sales to make more money.

Heath Ledger was not a huge box office draw before TDK . Most of his movies were flops. The Patriot did ok at the box office but he was not the main character .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

But after he died, they sure as hell did. And I don't think he was ever looked at as some kind of "mediocre" B-lister. He was regarded as a very competent actor, due to his role in Brockback. The GA didn't really have a problem wit his casting, it was the fanboys that did.

Ha, you think fans are the only ones that can get petty? The gay slurs were present when I told people about Heath's casting as The Joker.

"That gay cowboy? He's gonna suck as The Joker."

Dude, Heath's death didn't make him a Mega-Superstar. It added buzz to the movie, but it wasn't until the GA watched TDK that they considered Heath as the 'creme as the creme'.

 

[Iceman]

Heath was a great actor but never an A lister. He might have become one after Joker but you can't compare him pre-TDK to the big guns. A lot of Academy Award winners aren't A listers either..it's not exactly the best measure of talent (being on the A-list).

 

[Travesty]

Ha, you think fans are the only ones that can get petty? The gay slurs were present when I told people about Heath's casting as The Joker.

"That gay cowboy? He's gonna suck as The Joker."

Jokes are jokes, but he wasn't looked at as some mediocre B-lister. And even the idea that people knew he was in Brockback shows their awareness for who he was. Unless, of course, you're saying he didn't do a good job in that movie?

Dude, Heath's death didn't make him a Mega-Superstar. It added buzz to the movie, but it wasn't until the GA watched TDK that they considered Heath as the 'creme as the creme'.

Oh come on, there were MANY news specials and articles that came out that had nothing but praise for Heath after he died. He was talked about heavily, and most of which were all positive, and this was many months before TDK even came out. You couldn't flip through the TV or go on the internet, without seeing something about Heath.

 

[Crimson King]

Heath's death only enhanced it, not created it. The first full-length trailer was released in December (attached to I Am Legend) and people were really liking what they were witnessing. That is undeniable.

While the backlash for Hathaway hasn't been severe and her name is much bigger than Ledger's at this stage of their careers, it only adds to the pressure. Anne is still remembered for her Princess Diaries movies, not for Love For Other Drugs, Havoc or Rachel Getting Married.

Look at what I said again. Heath's death combined with the rumors of his performance helped to create buzz. I didn't say his death alone created it. That would be false.

No, Hathaway's not really known for the movies you mentioned, but The Devil Wears Prada didn't exactly go straight to DVD. Neither did Alice in Wonderland. A lot more people were excited to have someone of her caliber on board for TDKR than when Ledger was announced.

 

[Iceman]

Jokes are jokes, but he wasn't looked at as some mediocre B-lister. And even the idea that people knew he was in Brockback shows their awareness for who he was. Unless, of course, you're saying he didn't do a good job in that movie?

Oh come on, there were MANY news specials and articles that came out that had nothing but praise for Heath after he died. He was talked about heavily, and most of which were all positive, and this was many months before TDK even came out. You couldn't flip through the TV or go on the internet, without seeing something about Heath.

But that's not what the "A list" is. Otherwise there are about 300 actors on this A list.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Heath was a great actor but never an A lister. He might have become one after Joker but you can't compare him pre-TDK to the big guns. A lot of Academy Award winners aren't A listers either..it's not exactly the best measure of talent (being on the A-list).

Precisely. Ledger was never on Smith's or Clooney's level where they could sell their movies with their face/name. Heath was purely a great but obscure talent in Hollywood. The GA had only heard about Ledger a handful of times in their lives, and most of his films weren't well-known. Prior to TDK, my sister only knew of A Knight's Tale and a certain Rom-Com from Heath's filmography.

 

[Travesty]

But that's not what the "A list" is. Otherwise there are about 300 actors on this A list.

I never said he was some high profile A-lister, I just said he wasn't looked at some some kind of mediocre B-lister. Do you know what kind of actors are B-listers?