I can see now Godman that you aren't just a stupid kid I thought you were, even if you did lose it in your last post. As such I apologise for my previous post, and take back any insults.
I think though that your criticisms are not valid for the reason that they are your mere opinions on the subject and not proper. It would be like me criticises BTAS because it wasn't like my favourite interpretation Adam West. BTAS is a fantastic show and shouldn't be judged on what level of darkness it has, but on how well it pulls it off (within reason, certain aspects must remain to still be Batman, such as the costume and fairly stoic personality).
You may hate The Brave and the Bold, but it is in no way a travesty to the character, noe only has to see the recent Owlman episode ot see it is chock full of references to all Batman era comics, animated and film. It is a love letter to Batman really. And you are severely, I repeat severely wrong in terms of thinking that Miller made Batman use fear as a weapon. Severely.
Also I wouldn't ever get into a conversaation saying that robin's character is bad as a fact, because there are so many good arguments as to why he is a great character that you will be buried under them. Hate him all you want, but din't delude yourself into thinking a popular character who has survived pretty much just as long as Batman is an awful character.
And again, I find it hard to respect the opinion of someone who wants Batman restricted so much. Why can't he have adventures in space? Why can't he go world travelling with Ra's Al Ghul? Why can't he fight Dracula as a Vampire? By wanting uber dark stories with uber realism you are only limiting his character, not making it "true". Don't you see? There is no true Batman. You repeatedly use Miller, Burton and Nolan as the end all of examples of pionerring Batman's character, but the truth is, there are dozens more who have had just as much an impact on the character.
Again, while oyu are not the stupid kid I assumed you were at first, your opinions seem way too steeped in bias to actually take seriously. You are basically hating on the character as a whole bar Miller's version, even dissing the grey costume which is a staple, going sp far as to even say Batman MUST be superserious all the time. And finally, you claim Batman is not comical at all, yet guess what he originated in, and still thrives in? I'll give you a hint, cut the last two letters off.
My point is...The Dark Knight proved that that is how the whole word wants Batman to be like and accepts him as. The Box Office says it all. The definition of comic book is nothing to do with comical in the sense of humor. It is a form of art with a title that derived from actual books of cartoon imagery on paper with speech bubbles that were actually comical. Then detective comics and other serious style cartoon books came along but instead of seperating them from such books as archie, Tin Tin, Asterix and Obelix and all that other humorous type stuff they went and called them COMIC books too. In sense tho Batman is not a comic relief character and in a sense of saying I should broaden my horrizons goves shumacher a pass for his crap as for adam west. Clearly the Movie sold waaaaay more than any other rendition of Batman cause it made most sense to people and WAS what people understand in a tale of an orphaned child who sets out for revenge but sees the error in his ways. He then becomes a crime fighter in a justice system he self proclaims as WE the everyday people wish we could. Nolan nailed that aspect very well with the diagram set by many that came before.
We do a vote on what next Batman MOVIE should be and I guarantee you that 90% would go with Frank Miller's TDK compared to this absolutely outlandish rendition of a Buck Rogers meets Flash Gordan style BATMAN. Just because the character lasted so long in different forms isn't because of the additions like ROBIN, CAMP, and Corny antics, it's because of when they actually got the character RIGHT in a sense of the story alone.
Dracula has lasted as long, so has stories of the greek Gods and The Bible and so on and there are horrible versions of these stories that damaged the series time to time. If you realize that Batman only survives because of people like Miller, Burton, Jim Lee, Tim Sale and Nolan...
Lemme break it down for you using various sources and FACTS...
Batman was created by a Jewish kid who fleshed out a simplistic Bob Kane idea of a giant man bat. Originally referred to as
the Bat-Man he was co-created by artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger (although only Kane receives official credit), appearing in publications by DC Comics. The character first appeared in Detective Comics #27 in May 1939.
Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne, a wealthy industrialist, playboy, and philanthropist. Witnessing the murder of his parents as a child, Wayne trains himself both physically and intellectually and dons a bat-themed costume in order to fight crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman#cite_note-dc-ency-0 Batman operates in the fictional American
Gotham City, assisted by various supporting characters including his sidekick
Robin and his butler
Alfred Pennyworth, and fights an assortment of villains influenced by the characters' roots in film and
pulp magazines. Unlike most superheroes, he does not possess any
superpowers; he makes use of intellect, detective skills, science and technology, wealth, physical prowess, and intimidation in his war on crime. Batman became a popular character soon after his introduction, and gained his own comic book title,
Batman, in 1940. As the decades wore on, differing takes on the character emerged.
The late 1960s Batman television series utilized a camp aesthetic associated with the character for years after the show ended. (THIS WAS A VERY BAD TIME FOR SUPERHEROES TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS IN ANY MANNER
)
Various creators worked to return the character to his dark roots, culminating in the 1986 miniseries
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, by writer-artist
Frank Miller. The successes of
director Tim Burton's 1989 film
Batman and
Christopher Nolan's 2005 reboot
Batman Begins also helped to reignite popular interest in the character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman#cite_note-1
It's the Dark elements of the character and the Writers who always had to bring it back to darkness that have kept Batman ALIVE... The Brave and the Bold or anything like it that has been introduced into the Batman Mythos has always damaged it's popularity gearing it to children which always loses steam for children grow up very very quick mentally and actually prefer things that challenge their minds. I Remember Picking up TDKR as a graphic Novel in the late 80s and being blown away and waiting to see a movie that would match it's wits. The closest we got at the time was Burton. Then comes along the stupid **** again JOEL SHUMACHER which evently killed any interest in the character.
Nolan and team had a task out of their ass to pull off the greatest media comeback in history...Even Clooney new he was a part of killing any hope for the franchise as he stated on a late night show. Then came NOLAN who brought back all the elements that kept Batman a float for 70 years. He jammed all this in two movies to break every record in theatrical movie history, but ONE...Titanic still holds top grossing US release yet.
So there is still room for your taste in Batman renditions, but very little room it is which I am glad for. Hope this show doesn't last long and if it does...at least it is going under the radar for most americans to even care. Nolan has ingraved the TRUE essence of what the initial intent of The 1930s - 1960s trully meant. SUPERMAN fought NAZIS...LOL, yea these were answers to Hitler and or the great depression. Bigger than just a bunch of mean and women in tights. This genre was never meant to be taken as a joke nor should it be processed in that manner. you want goofy stuff go pick up Calvin and Hobbes, Archie, Popeye, Garfield, and what not...
Thank God for Snyder, Nolan, Ang Lee, and Burton for taking the original material and it's intent seriously!!!!!
