The Critics' Reviews of Spider-Man 3 Thread

[Jerry!]

But only when they give positive reviews right? I hate that. People ignore or call critics dumb if they give the movie they like a bad review, but every good review MUST be pointed out and held as the truth.

 

[TheVileOne]

I missed you so much Symbiotica. Now let's join the Vanilla Midget Revolution led by Gopher's Venom.

 

[LostSon88]

Aspects like that are great but not really needed. All it does is say, "look at me, I'm force feeding you this stuff because you clearly forgot that your watching a film that is based on absurd fiction...hey, man in batsuit should have given it away but we're happy to indulge..."

Kinda like how Raimi force feeds us those atrocious Aunt May monologues.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

But only when they give positive reviews right? I hate that. People ignore or call critics dumb if they give the movie they like a bad review, but every good review MUST be pointed out and held as the truth.

Yea, some people are very guilty of this. If a reviewer doesn't give a positive review to their beloved film, then it becomes how that reviewer makes no valid points at all, or he just doesn't "get" the movie, or maybe that reviewer just dislikes that particular genre as a whole(despite positive reviews to other films in that genre) or one of my favorites: that reviewer's body of work is dissected and analyzed and made to look irrelevant because of other "lower quality" films that reviewer may have given a positive review to, therefore his/her opinion is dismissed and deemed not worthwhile anyway.

 

[Mr Jide]

face it, sm3 was not anywhere as well crafted well written as sm2 or even sm1 for that matter. raimi probably at some point gave in to the execs' demands and just didnt give his best efforts anymore.

Face it? The hell you talkin' about? If people dont like sm3, thats fine but if other people like it, respect it. sm1 and 2 imo sucked ass, I'm not burnin' these board up telling people to face it, those movies sucked.

 

[christpunchers]

lol sorry but sm3 sucked for me... meteor randomly finds peter parker and only peter parker, overcrammed with 3 villians yet the villians barely had any decent back story, THC looks like hes constipated the whole time, just everything felt wrong for me in this movie, felt like i was watching a spiderman movie in bizzaro world and this is somehow not the REAL sequel raimi had intended. sm1 and sm2 were great, theyre rated much higher with more positive reviews, which is why the hype that led up to sm3 was so damn high.

 

[ghost_x]

Hype was the death of this movie, I'm convinced....and Bernard

 

[Eggyman]

I agree, I loved the film. But the pedastal we placed it on was too high . . . dissapointment was inevitable.

 

[ghost_x]

I think in all the hype and commotion over the quality of the first two films, people forgot about the 'wtf moments' from the first two film, people constructed more straight laced films than what we actually got from 1 and 2, causing disapointment when seeing the third more slapstick film.

 

[Qwerty©]

People also don't realise that most of the problems they have with SM3 are also in SM2.

There was a street strutting scene in SM2. The villain was changed to be connected to Peter in SM2. There were cheesy moments in SM2 (You want him, you'll have to get through me.. and me.. and me) There were coincidences in SM2 (Aunt May and MJ just happen to be kidnapped, and at different occassions)

So why is it that SM2 is hailed as a great comic book movie whilst SM3 is getting trashed?

I'm willing to bet its because you didn't get enough Venom.

 

[ghost_x]

Thats what I'm saying. Due to all the hype and commotion, everything wrong with the first two movies was forgotten and when they occured again in the third people were outraged.

 

[The Joker]

There were coincidences in SM2 (Aunt May and MJ just happen to be kidnapped, and at different occassions)

It was no coincidence that MJ got kidnapped. Ock deliberately took her to ensure Peter would co-operate, and Spider-Man would show up to meet him.

He didn't just randomly grab her off the street like he did with Aunt May.

 

[Mr Jide]

Thats what I'm saying. Due to all the hype and commotion, everything wrong with the first two movies was forgotten and when they occured again in the third people were outraged.

Lol I pointed this out too, earlier, it just goes to show how stupid some people can be.

 

[ghost_x]

I don't see Aunt May being kidnapped coincidence either, sure she happened to be at the same bank as Ock, but Ock had no intention of kidnapping anyone, but when Spiderman showed up he needed to escape without being attacked.

 

[Qwerty©]

It was no coincidence that MJ got kidnapped. Ock deliberately took her to ensure Peter would co-operate, and Spider-Man would show up to meet him.

He didn't just randomly grab her off the street like he did with Aunt May.

It's a coincidence that the two people who Ock kidnapped, were both connected to Peter. I wouldn't mind if it was just MJ.

 

[The Joker]

It's a coincidence that the two people who Ock kidnapped, were both connected to Peter. I wouldn't mind if it was just MJ.

No, it wasn't a coincidence, because Ock was going to take someone that Peter cared about to make sure he co-operated.

May was a coincidence, MJ wasn't. It's like saying Goblin taking MJ in SM-1 was a coincidence. He, like Ock, took someone he knew Peter cared about.

Simple as that.

 

[Dragon]

It was no coincidence that MJ got kidnapped. Ock deliberately took her to ensure Peter would co-operate, and Spider-Man would show up to meet him.

He didn't just randomly grab her off the street like he did with Aunt May.

The coincidence is in that MJ happened to be with Peter when Ock attacked. Compounded by the fact that Peter and MJ hadn't been spending alot of time together in the film. So it's a BIG coincidence that Ock should find the two together, after randomly grabbing May off the street.

But goofy conicdience is par for the course with these films, which is why I'm not overly critical of Spidey 3's convenient coincidences.

If I were making these films, I'd have not had May grabbed. Spidey would have done what he did to save anyone's life, not just his Aunt. So the tension of the scene would be there regardless. Even moreso perhaps, because the audience pretty much knows Spidey will save May. But there's a chance he might not save a random bystander.

 

[The Joker]

The coincidence is in that MJ happened to be with Peter when Ock attacked. Compounded by the fact that Peter and MJ hadn't been spending alot of time together in the film. So it's a BIG coincidence that Ock should find the two together, after randomly grabbing May off the street.

Why is it a coincidence that MJ was with Peter when Ock attacked?? It seems more likely that Ock waited to strike when Peter was with someone he cared about, so Ock could use that person as a method of persuasion.

"Peter Parker......and the girlfriend"

"Find Spider-Man, or I'll peel the flesh off her bones"

Why didn't Ock just go to Peter's apartment and get him there?? Why follow him to some cafe??

 

[christpunchers]

Yeah sm1 and sm2 had coincidences but they were delievered in very subtle ways that dont scream "LAZY WRITING" like every 5 minutes into spiderman3. Theres a better chance that doc ock would rob the same bank that parker and aunt may would be in then some alien goo from other space arriving in a meteor would land right next to peter.

 

[Dragon]

Why is it a coincidence that MJ was with Peter when Ock attacked?? It seems more likely that Ock waited to strike when Peter was with someone he cared about, so Ock could use that person as a method of persuasion.

"Peter Parker......and the girlfriend"

"Find Spider-Man, or I'll peel the flesh off her bones"

Why didn't Ock just go to Peter's apartment and get him there?? Why follow him to some cafe??

But again- Peter rarely saw MJ. And Ock didn't come off as the patient type. So it's a big coincidence that he and MJ meet when Ock is on the hunt.
Anyway, why wouldn't Ock think he could scare Peter just as he'd scared Harry, without endangering anyone else?

 

[The Joker]

But again- Peter rarely saw MJ. And Ock didn't come off as the patient type. So it's a big coincidence that he and MJ meet when Ock is on the hunt.

Ock wasn't the patient type? He waited at least a whole day before confronting Peter. He accosted Harry at night. Several scenes passed, both night and day, before Ock confronted Peter.

If Ock was that impatient, he would have just went straight to Peter's apartment after his meeting with Harry. It's not like Peter's address was a secret.

I can't see him taking the trouble to tail Peter thru New York to some cafe, unless he knew Peter was going there to meet MJ. I mean, how else did Ock even know he was there?? He must have been watching/tailing Peter.

Anyway, why wouldn't Ock think he could scare Peter just as he'd scared Harry, without endangering anyone else?

He could scare Peter, but could he scare Spider-Man into meeting him?? Having a hostage ensures Spidey would show up, and Peter would co-operate and not double cross Ock and run to the Police for protection.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah sm1 and sm2 had coincidences but they were delievered in very subtle ways that dont scream "LAZY WRITING" like every 5 minutes into spiderman3. Theres a better chance that doc ock would rob the same bank that parker and aunt may would be in then some alien goo from other space arriving in a meteor would land right next to peter.

Really? I think it's just the opposite when you remember that the "alien goo" is a sentient lifeform capable of amazing feats. And further, it needs to conjoin itself with another lifeform in a symbiotic, and even parasitic relationship. So, it's entirely possbile that it commanded its own trajectory to land in the vicinity of other living beings- and even sensed and was drawn to Peter's superhuman form. I don't think that's lazy writing.

 

[Dragon]

Ock wasn't the patient type?

No, he's not patient. The very failure of the fusion experiment and Rosie's death is attributable to Ock's lack of patience.

He waited at least a whole day before confronting Peter. He accosted Harry at night. Several scenes passed, both night and day, before Ock confronted Peter. If Ock was that impatient, he would have just went straight to Peter's apartment after his meeting with Harry. It's not like Peter's address was a secret.

He had to find Peter. Maybe Peter's address wasn't a secret, but it wasn't public knowledge either. With no phone number to trace him, Ock would've had to do some digging to find Pete, or tailed him a long time between ESU (The one place he'd know Pete would be) and him going home. But then again, this wasn't a school day, so Ock couldn't find him there either. And remember that even if Ock learned where Peter lived, he wasn't home. He went to see May, went and tested his powers, then met with MJ.

I can't see him taking the trouble to tail Peter thru New York to some cafe, unless he knew Peter was going there to meet MJ. I mean, how else did Ock even know he was there?? He must have been watching/tailing Peter.

Or, this is, like in Spidey 3, an unresolved coincidence, that Raimi and co. figured no one would care about.

When you try to get into the explanation that you made above, you open up all kinds of cans of worms. Again- no matter what- Ock had no way of knowing when Peter might meet with a loved one/potential hostage. So, again, being rather impatient he'd have simply attacked Peter. Or- if Ock was trailing Peter, you have to wonder why he didn't grab May again, since Peter saw her before MJ.

He could scare Peter, but could he scare Spider-Man into meeting him?? Having a hostage ensures Spidey would show up, and Peter would co-operate and not double cross Ock and run to the Police for protection.

Spider-Man, being "Peter's friend" would show-up simply because Ock was threatening to hunt Peter down. And being a known crimebuster, Spidey would have likely been searching for Ock anyway. So knowing where he'd be would be enough to draw Spidey's fire.

 

[The Joker]

No, he's not patient. The very failure of the fusion experiment and Rosie's death is attributable to Ock's lack of patience.

I would have put those things down to ruthless ambition to succeed. He refused to believe his reactor was failing, despite it going haywire and destroying his lab.

That's not impatience, that's blind ambition. Refusal to believe his life's work was a failure. One of the reasons why I believe he was swayed by the arms into believing he had not miscalculated.

Alot easier to believe something you worked on your whole life is a success rather than a failure.

He had to find Peter. Maybe Peter's address wasn't a secret, but it wasn't public knowledge either. With no phone number to trace him, Ock would've had to do some digging to find Pete, or tailed him a long time between ESU (The one place he'd know Pete would be) and him going home. But then again, this wasn't a school day, so Ock couldn't find him there either.

I'd buy that, except for the fact that if Ock had no idea where to find Peter in the first place, he could simply have asked Harry where he lives when Harry told Ock about Peter, rather than going to all that trouble of trying to find him.

And remember that even if Ock learned where Peter lived, he wasn't home. He went to see May, went and tested his powers, then met with MJ.

Again, Ock could simply have waited for Peter to return. He'd have to have anyway, to have followed him to the cafe. Peter would have to have returned to his place to get the message that MJ wants to meet him.

Or, this is, like in Spidey 3, an unresolved coincidence, that Raimi and co. figured no one would care about.

With fanboys like us stripping the movie apart like this to it's bare bones?? t:

Again- no matter what- Ock had no way of knowing when Peter might meet with a loved one/potential hostage. So, again, being rather impatient he'd have simply attacked Peter. Or- if Ock was trailing Peter, you have to wonder why he didn't grab May again, since Peter saw her before MJ.

I put that down to the fact that he was probably waiting for Peter back at his apartment. And followed him from there to meet MJ.

Spider-Man, being "Peter's friend" would show-up simply because Ock was threatening to hunt Peter down. And being a known crimebuster, Spidey would have likely been searching for Ock anyway. So knowing where he'd be would be enough to draw Spidey's fire.

Ok, you have a point there. But still, Ock being the kind of man he is, would make sure Peter and Spidey co-operated by taking a hostage. If he felt he could simply just scare Peter like you said, why even bother going to the trouble of taking a hostage??

He knew a hostage would be the smart move.

 

[Dragon]

I would have put those things down to ruthless ambition to succeed. He refused to believe his reactor was failing, despite it going haywire and destroying his lab.

That's not impatience, that's blind ambition. Refusal to believe his life's work was a failure. One of the reasons why I believe he was swayed by the arms into believing he had not miscalculated.

Alot easier to believe something you worked on your whole life is a success rather than a failure.

Blind ambition? But creation of successful fusion WAS his ambition. I can see someone cutting corners when they're working on a project, by focusing on the rewards coming afterward. Money, fame what have you. But for Ock, the only success he was seeking was for his experiement to work. So only impatience with seeing the fruition of his experiment would cause Ock to get sloppy.

I'd buy that, except for the fact that if Ock had no idea where to find Peter in the first place, he could simply have asked Harry where he lives when Harry told Ock about Peter, rather than going to all that trouble of trying to find him.



Again, Ock could simply have waited for Peter to return. He'd have to have anyway, to have followed him to the cafe. Peter would have to have returned to his place to get the message that MJ wants to meet him.



With fanboys like us stripping the movie apart like this to it's bare bones?? t:



I put that down to the fact that he was probably waiting for Peter back at his apartment. And followed him from there to meet MJ.



Ok, you have a point there. But still, Ock being the kind of man he is, would make sure Peter and Spidey co-operated by taking a hostage. If he felt he could simply just scare Peter like you said, why even bother going to the trouble of taking a hostage??

He knew a hostage would be the smart move.

And this is really making my point. There IS no definitive and even reasonable explanation to why Ock got to Peter while sitting in a cafe with MJ. There are attempts to justify it. But no real logical reason that can't be debunked if one is so inclined. In Spidey 1, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to find who the Goblin is. But no one did. Like the criticisms against Spidey 3 this all boils down to a convenience that you're either willing to buy into or not. And my saying this isn't a put down to Spidey 2. It's that I'm saying that people griping about Spidey 3 not being perfect are letting things go with the previous films. Perhaps those coincidences and conveniences are more to your liking, but they remain no more plausible.