The Curious Case of Spider-Man & Hulk Rights (Or Keep Hope Alive That the Rights Will Revert)

[The forest gate]

What is the deal with Spider-Man rights if Sony's entertainment division is bought? Do they revert back to Marvel or do they transfer to the new company?

Transfers - but it might be possible for Disney to swap something they own which the new owners might really want for the Spiderman rights.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is Spider-Man Leaving the MCU All One Big Lie?

None of that makes any sense at all.

 

[spider-neil]

Transfers - but it might be possible for Disney to swap something they own which the new owners might really want for the Spiderman rights.

I can't think of a single character Marvel has that has more value than the Spider-Man franchise.

 

[The forest gate]

I can't think of a single character Marvel has that has more value than the Spider-Man franchise.

Not a marvel character but other stuff Disney own.

 

[Bayne]

I can't think of a single character Marvel has that has more value than the Spider-Man franchise.

Nothing says it has to come from Marvel - it could come from Disney (most likely, though, it would come from Fox). Also, nothing says it has to be a single franchise. They could transfer multiple franchises in exchange for Spider-man. If the new owners aren't particularly interested in trying to compete in the world of Superhero movies, a deal could potentially be reached.

Though personally, I bet the likelier outcome of a less interested new owner is that they make a new licensing agreement to let Disney/Marvel do whatever they want with the character in exchange for a permanent payday that they don't actually have to work for.

 

[ADollarADay]

I can't think of a single character Marvel has that has more value than the Spider-Man franchise.

Character vs a franchise. Franchise, I would think the Avengers franchise may be worth more than the Spider-man franchise at this point. Character, yeah you are right when you account merchandise and everything else then no single character is worth more than Spider-man.

Nothing says it has to come from Marvel - it could come from Disney (most likely, though, it would come from Fox). Also, nothing says it has to be a single franchise. They could transfer multiple franchises in exchange for Spider-man. If the new owners aren't particularly interested in trying to compete in the world of Superhero movies, a deal could potentially be reached.

Though personally, I bet the likelier outcome of a less interested new owner is that they make a new licensing agreement to let Disney/Marvel do whatever they want with the character in exchange for a permanent payday that they don't actually have to work for.

There has only been a few times where Disney gave up IP ownership that I can think of, i.e. selling Miramax or the Power Rangers.

There are possibilities such as Netflix, Amazon, or Apple buying SPE and since they aren't interested in theatrical releases they would either A) Have to change their ethos to release theatrically, B) Continue not releasing theatrically and lose the license or C) Sell the license at fair price and get something in return. I am personally very bullish that the above companies, especially Apple, needs to acquire a content provider and library for their streaming service. Someone like SPE, CBSViacom, MGM, Lionsgate.

Other possibility includes CBSViacom merging with SPE since they want to scale and have their own streaming service. Difference here is that they will release theatrically, so the hope for Disney is that the new proforma company would want to deleverage and focus on all the other properties they own, which includes merch rights. A fair price assessment is usually done by investment and financial service companies such as JPM, Goldmans Sachs, Stanley, etc

The problem is not that Sony won't sell the license and/or rights to previous Spider-man work, the problem is that they won't sell it at a fair price. The license is worth a whole lot more to them than it is to Disney, hence the impasse. SPE being bought by one of the above may (emphasis on may) open the possibility to Disney getting the property back at a fair price.

 

[shahrozhaider26]

Have any of the click bait websites tried to excuse all their false rumours last week? Can’t seem to find any even claiming a new unprovable rumour to explain it away,

well now they are saying that Disney/Sony are still talking and infact Sony has accepted the 30% demand of Disney.
Sony Offers Disney New Deal For 30% Of Spider-Man And Venom In MCU

I can't seem to understand why this guy keeps on spreading false news almost 24 hours a day.

 

[wobbly]

well now they are saying that Disney/Sony are still talking and infact Sony has accepted the 30% demand of Disney.
Sony Offers Disney New Deal For 30% Of Spider-Man And Venom In MCU

I can't seem to understand why this guy keeps on spreading false news almost 24 hours a day.

Clickbait. They earn money from ads for every page visit. The revenue per hit is tiny but it all adds up when you got god knows how many fans looking for any update on the matter.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I know that story is horse manure but I really don't want that venom in the mcu but it would be a neceneces evil if that's what it takes.

 

[The forest gate]

well now they are saying that Disney/Sony are still talking and infact Sony has accepted the 30% demand of Disney.
Sony Offers Disney New Deal For 30% Of Spider-Man And Venom In MCU

I can't seem to understand why this guy keeps on spreading false news almost 24 hours a day.

They dangerous people - a lot of people are convinced by it and will suffer a low when sony comment again sometime soon.
It's clever because it fits in with everything mentioned in the trades while being false.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That site is not a good site to look for if you're looking for accurate news. So I don't trust this information at all. Not until somebody like a Deadline or a Vanity Fair something says something similar.

 

[Vader's Fist]

A thought I had regarding the various costumes worn by Holland: Homemade Suit, Airport fight suit, Stealth Suit, etc. I'm pretty sure they were all designed by Marvel Studios which makes me wonder, with the deal broken, do Sony Pictures actually have access to any of them now?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ultimately, they probably would have to change the costume. But really in the grand scheme of things that's such a minor thing. Even in a new MCU Spider-Man movie, especially looking at the prior films they made, he was likely getting it several new costumes anyway

 

[Darkprime]

Jon Watt's next project has been revealed. Its a tv series for FX. So its interesting that hes staying within the Disney family. (FX is now owned by Disney through Fox) This could mean Spider-Man 3 has been bumped from its rumored July 2021 spot to a later date or Sony are looking for another director. Because Watts has decided to bail since Spidey isn't part of the MCU anymore.

Jon Watts' Next Project Revealed, Marvel and Spider-Man Not Involved

 

[smallville fan]

Jon Watt's next project has been revealed. Its a tv series for FX. So its interesting that hes staying within the Disney family. (FX is now owned by Disney through Fox) This could mean Spider-Man 3 has been bumped from its rumored July 2021 spot to a later date or Sony are looking for another director. Because Watts has decided to bail since Spidey isn't part of the MCU anymore.

Jon Watts' Next Project Revealed, Marvel and Spider-Man Not Involved

As long as he's not helping Sony then that's a win.

And that is help how? Dracula (should have remained) Untold. Is that the one you’re talking about?

Yes

 

[ManaByte]

They dangerous people - a lot of people are convinced by it and will suffer a low when sony comment again sometime soon.
It's clever because it fits in with everything mentioned in the trades while being false.

Nah when or if Sony comments, someone will again claim they're lying just to keep the hoax going. I counted today and one site has posted NINE different stories about different secret deals or negotiations since the first report of Sony pulling Spider-Man. NINE. And none of them were true.

But there are people who want to believe something's happening, so they'll keep clicking on that or reading Facebook posts that tell them what they want to hear.

 

[Fallen]

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hey, Inhumans will be on it LOL. I can see the icon in the picture

 

[Detective Conan]

On a unrelated note: If there is ever another Hulk film they need to have She-Hulk in it. It'd be nice to have a Hulk who's sadness and depression can contrasted with the fun carefree, sassy nature of his cousin. That'd be a fun dynamic to see on screen. The Hulk doesn't work by himself like other superheroes or else you risk the tone becoming too dour. The Green Goliath needs some more levity and fun in his overall tragic story, and Jennifer Walters brings that in spades.

 

[spider-neil]

SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS??!! Day one sign up for me.

 

[spider-neil]

Annoyingly, it looks like Spectacular Spider-Man (Sony) won't be on Disney Plus. But I can see Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

 

[The forest gate]

Nah when or if Sony comments, someone will again claim they're lying just to keep the hoax going. I counted today and one site has posted NINE different stories about different secret deals or negotiations since the first report of Sony pulling Spider-Man. NINE. And none of them were true.

But there are people who want to believe something's happening, so they'll keep clicking on that or reading Facebook posts that tell them what they want to hear.

Didn’t you tease an announcement at D23 which went to nothing,

 

[Themanofbat]

Spider-Man 67 needs to be there...

 

[Dark Raven]

Are they going to have the 1977 live action Spider-Man TV series on there?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm at the point where I believe there are only 3 scenarios he ever comes back into the MCU

-Tom Rothman, Vinciquerra & Avi Arad are all magically fired
-Sony craps the bed again
-Sony gets bought out and the company that buys them is willing to cut a favorable deal Disney is cool with