The Curse of Shazam! Thread

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I know this comic is being discussed in the JL thread but i think that post-Flashpoint captain Marvel/ Shazam deserves his oun thread, since right now the only comics coming with him are the curse of shazam lets discuss that:

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I don't mind the fact that he's no longuer called Captain Marvel if that makes him more marketable but i don't really like his new look:

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Or how they made Billy
more of a brat
 
Just read the Shazam story in the current Justice League.....a coupla' things....

Billy Batson goes gansta now??? Really?? Juvenile delinquent?? :facepalm:

Good and innocent just doesn't cut it anymore I guess. In this JerseyShore loving culture of ours, even morally good characters need to be dragged down in to the gutter to be attractive. Sad...


Does anyone think that Dr. Sivana looks like the Pre-Flashpoint Luthor??

He's his twin!!
 
I didn't mind it but I got abit confused was he already Shazam when he was been a brat with that woman at the orphanage or did it just preview the future?
 
I demand more Tawky Tawny in this series :argh:

Also not a big fan of Sivana's current look
 
Wasn't a fan of the backup at all, or anything else that's been revealed so far about the direction they're taking with the character. :down
 
I get the feeling its going to be really grim and depressing
 
I think once Billy becomes Shazam he will of course gradually become a better kid and stop being a brat.
 
Because every story has to have characters change and grow...because that's how movies do it and comics are just movie pitches. Billy can't be a good kid and be given the gift because he's so decent, he has to be given the powers because he has the capacity to be good. Just like how Hal Jordan went from being fearless to having the ability to overcome fear...Johns is rewriting his most successful story here, more or less.

What it all comes down to is comics are now movie pitches and nerd soap operas and not pulp adventures. Wells, Lovecraft, Burroughs, etc are much less of an influence on modern comics than WWE wrestling and CW teen soaps.

It's not unlike how modern music is influenced by the garbage music of the 80's and 90's and is therefore garbage itself. It's a general decline in quality of modern pop culture.
 
There's no decline in pop culture. TV shows are higher quality than they've ever been, pop music is irrelevant as you can find high quality music in any genre you can imagine, made even easier with the social networking of the internet. Movies are no better and no worse than they've ever been. Video games and technology in general are constantly improving, working towards providing a dimension of entertainment we've only begun to see.
 
Agreed in general I think that tv, movies, music and video games have gotten better and I enjoy a lot of them :)

Curse of Shazam isn't one I'm enjoying right now sadly but hopefully it'll get better

With more talking tigers in bow ties and more Mr Mind :ninja:
 
There's no decline in pop culture. TV shows are higher quality than they've ever been, pop music is irrelevant as you can find high quality music in any genre you can imagine, made even easier with the social networking of the internet. Movies are no better and no worse than they've ever been. Video games and technology in general are constantly improving, working towards providing a dimension of entertainment we've only begun to see.


Just curious.....how old are you??
 
....and there's the important question. What us more "mature" folks see as a decline (or moral decay), younger folks see as normal. This new stuff is clearly not being produced with us in mind. Perhaps our thinking is too antiquated, but I am still of a mind that feels that (most) entertainment such as music, movies, television shows, etc. of pre-2000 consisted of better quality content (not production values). As an example, I'll take classic sitcoms from the sixties and seventies over so-called reality tv like Jersey Shore or Keeping Up With The Kardashians any day.
Lastly this may very well end up being The Curse of SHAZAM. :csad:
 
....and there's the important question. What us more "mature" folks see as a decline (or moral decay), younger folks see as normal. This new stuff is clearly not being produced with us in mind. Perhaps our thinking is too antiquated, but I am still of a mind that feels that (most) entertainment such as music, movies, television shows, etc. of pre-2000 consisted of better quality content (not production values). As an example, I'll take classic sitcoms from the sixties and seventies over so-called reality tv like Jersey Shore or Keeping Up With The Kardashians any day.
Lastly this may very well end up being The Curse of SHAZAM. :csad:


Bingo.....

It's not even close.


On Dr. Sivana....
Why didn't they at least try to make him closer to his original look?? A few changes would be fine. But this??

He's only missing his Lexor Armor.
 
pshh golden age fallacy all up in this thread

every generation thinks the younger one is 'declining' in some way

keep your 'classic sitcoms,' I'll rewatch six feet under, sopranos, game of thrones, etc.
 
pshh golden age fallacy all up in this thread

every generation thinks the younger one is 'declining' in some way

keep your 'classic sitcoms,' I'll rewatch six feet under, sopranos, game of thrones, etc.

Those are dramas, though. Can any current sitcoms compare to 60's sitcoms, or 70's sitcoms? 30 Rock maybe in spots? Nothing on TV is on the level of MASH, All In the Family, etc. Current pop culture is crap, pure crap, and that is the truth. It has nothing to do about the generation I grew up in-I grew up in the 70's, but the best comics ever published by far were the EC New Trend books of the early 50's. And 60's music is better than 70's music.

Thinking something is bad just because it is old is closed minded. Modern pop culture sucks not because people are less talented but because there is more corporate control and less soul allowed into it. When Otto Binder wrote Captain Marvel in the 40's and 50's, it came from his heart. It was an extension of who he was and how he saw the world. When Geoff Johns writes The Curse of Shazam in 2012, he's trying to sell some comics and hopefully a movie to make the corporation more money.

Old comics were product that flew far enough below the radar to become art. Modern comics are presented as art but are in reality pure product. There hasn't been a damn thing done with the post-52 DCU that has surprised me except for Ma and Pa Kent being dead.
 
TV dramas are better than ever. TV sitcoms are not. Movies can be a mixed bag from any era, but movies now a days are less creative and genuine. Music is worse than ever and has been on a progressive decline since 75.
 
I think it's pretty undeniable that sitcoms of today are not comparable to the classics. I'm sure there were plenty of crappy sitcoms back then that have been forgotten to time, but there's not a single one being produced today that stands up to stuff like All in the Family, for instance. And I say this as someone who grew up in the late '80s and '90s, watching these shows on TV Land.

But, that being said, **** all this nonsense about culture being degraded. I think there's probably a real good point to things being way more corporate. That seems pretty undeniable. But there is some amazingly quality stuff going on in this age. Music is a good example. People talk about how awful it is nowadays. And, if you listen just to the radio and watch popular music tv, then it's understandable. But you gotta dig, look at more independent material, and that's where you're going to find the really good stuff. I think that's really what separates people's mindsets. It seems to me that back in the day, there was a much better stuff of great material in the mainstream with the bad, and nowadays it's buried and you have to search more (I'm speaking generally here, of course; there is still plenty of good material that makes it to the mainstream). Except with television drama. I couldn't, for the life of me, ever see the point of view of why anyone could think that area of today isn't leaps and bounds beyond what came before. I mean, if we wanna talk like...'60s-70s British TV, you could maybe have an argument, but even then I'd say overall the stuff of today wins out.
 
As far as I'm concerned comics, movies, tv shows and music are better now overall than they were in the past. I think that comics are vastly superior now, and so are tv shows and films. Maybe there isn't as much good music but there's still plenty

Some of them suck sure but overall I think their far superior

The 'golden age' was only a golden age if you were a white straight male. I wouldn't want to live in the past and i dont want the modern world to be a thing like it. The world today is better now than it ever was in the past and so is entertainment and i cant imagine anything worse than things going back to how they used to be in those ignorant, bigoted times

The 50's, 60's and 70's werent a better time. They were a vile time of oppresion, prejudice and hatred for people based on skin colour, gender and sexuality. I have family and family of friends who experienced personally just what an utterly awful time it was to live in

I prefer the modern world modern comics and modern entertainment to that of the past. Its superior in every way and I'm always going to enjoy watching 'modern' tv shows and films or reading 'modern' comics more as they feature the kind of characters I actually care about

Curse of Shazam may suck or may turn out to be fab. But even if some comics suck, I dont think that means modern comics or pop culture in general is inferior to how it was in the past. As far as I'm concerned its better than ever :up:
 
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Know what would have been awesome? If Billy was a good kid surrounded by *******s whom, after he becomes Shazam, Captain Marvel or Captain Thunder whatever name they want to choose- changes how these kids look at the world and inspires them to do good.
 
Those are dramas, though. Can any current sitcoms compare to 60's sitcoms, or 70's sitcoms? 30 Rock maybe in spots? Nothing on TV is on the level of MASH, All In the Family, etc. Current pop culture is crap, pure crap, and that is the truth. It has nothing to do about the generation I grew up in-I grew up in the 70's, but the best comics ever published by far were the EC New Trend books of the early 50's. And 60's music is better than 70's music.

I don't watch many sitcoms but now there are many good ones like Curb Your Enthusiasm, Arrested Development, Scrubs, Malcolm in the Middle, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Louie, 30 Rock and Community.

Some are even made in a similar style to the old ones like How i met your mother, Gary Unmarried, Mike & Molly, Rules of Engagement, $h*! My Dad Says, Life with Bonnie, According to Jim, Friends,The New Adventures of Old Christine, Two and a Half Men, Yes, Dear, The Big Bang Theory, and Hot in Cleveland.

Now there is even a subgenre in sitcom that are the animated sitcoms like The Simpsons, Dinosaurs, South Park, Futurama, Beavis and Butt-head, Family Guy and King of the Hill.

Seems to me like sitcoms are good now too :cwink:



Thinking something is bad just because it is old is closed minded. Modern pop culture sucks not because people are less talented but because there is more corporate control and less soul allowed into it. When Otto Binder wrote Captain Marvel in the 40's and 50's, it came from his heart. It was an extension of who he was and how he saw the world. When Geoff Johns writes The Curse of Shazam in 2012, he's trying to sell some comics and hopefully a movie to make the corporation more money.
I like Captain Marvel, but he was created as a kind of Superman rip-off, they even admited it:

Fawcett's circulation director Roscoe Kent Fawcett recalled telling the staff, "give me a Superman, only have his other identity be a 10- or 12-year-old boy rather than a man."[

It still had many original elements as their first idea was a team of six heroes, but they eventually decided to make it just one hero with all those powers.

One thing i don't like about modern comics is how they sell 20-40 pages worth of stories for 2.99-4.99 dollars, and in most cases don't even get a full story any more, you get part 1 of 3, or part 2 of 6, and so on, while in the golden age it was 10 cents (with inflation it would be 1.50 dollars now) of a comic with 40-60 pages where you got some 2-5 full stories.

I'm tired of that argument that it's worth for the art and story, but look at the japanes comics (Manga) They publish Shonen Jump, a magazine with 500 pages and some 7-10 different stories weekly, i don't remember the price but the magazine wasn't very expencive, the format of the magazine is weekly, with most of the artists also being the writers, i also saw that each story varies from 15-50 pages.

If you tought the guys at DC and Marvel had it difficult by having to draw all that in one month, then imagine if the artist had to draw that same amount every week.

Sure there are differences, like most stories in these Magazines being in black and white while american comics are colored, but most of the times now the colorist is not the drawer so there's no escuse for that.

In Japan there are many magazines like this, some are even monthly, but this shows that the problem isn't just money, as Manga are more respected in Japan, than comics are in the USA and Europe.
 
There is good music being done, but you have to search for it like crazy. in the 60's, all you had to do was turn on the radio..Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys, Motown, you name it. Today's actual pop music is beyond horrid, fake corporate crap autotuned and itt all sounds the same. And there's good comics done with real heart too, but not by the big two. There's just too much money and too many board members and lawyers involved now for anything resembling real art to come from mainstream superhero comics. But it is what it is, and this Curse of Shazam series is a prime example of robotic corporate comics. It is exactly what I thought it would be.
 
Because every story has to have characters change and grow...because that's how movies do it and comics are just movie pitches. Billy can't be a good kid and be given the gift because he's so decent, he has to be given the powers because he has the capacity to be good. Just like how Hal Jordan went from being fearless to having the ability to overcome fear...Johns is rewriting his most successful story here, more or less.

I read this earlier today, and had to get back to you on this. That is much better for kids, or even fully grown adults to read, that GL has the ability to control his fear, that is something they can aspire to.
When they read of someone being 'fearless', it means they give themselves far less credit when they do something brave, they think 'oh, well, even though I saved that person from a beating, I was scared all the way through the incident, so I must be a coward, I must not be cut out for this, I'm not 'fearless' like GL or DD, leave this type of job to someone else.'
Everyone gets scared, bravery is about controlling your fear, this is why crooks get drunk and high before doing robberies, they get scared too.
Good guys learn to control their fear, and get it done regardless.
anyway, that is a *good* change to the mythos.
 
As someone who was born in the 80's, has fond memories of the 90's, continues to watch TV into the new century, and watched a lot of Nick-at-Nite as a kid, I'd say the TV sitcom peaked in the 1970's. TV dramas, however, are much better today than they've ever been.

Today's popular music reminds me a lot of the classic Disco I've heard. It's a lot of mindless fluff with synth beats that you can dance to, and nothing more. There was a lot of good Rock and Soul being made in the 70's as well, but the difference between radio today and radio decades ago (according to my mom and grandparents) is that all genres used to be played on most radio stations, but now each genre has its own radio station. If you want to find good music that doesn't sound like it was made for drunken 19 year olds clubbing with fake IDs, you have to find either a local or internet station that caters to your taste instead of just tuning into the Pop station.

As for this comic, I preferred the funny contrast of Billy (and Mary, while I'm on the topic) being a goody-goody kid in a gritty world. This doesn't really appeal to me.
 

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