The END of the DC movie franchaises may be upon us...

[MrFreeze101]

ok here goes my opinon i really liked the superman returns film there were a few things that bugged me like supes having a son and that lex was nice and dark for the forst part of the film then by the middle went corny and then by the end was a little bit dark again i mean wot the hell beach front proprties i wouldnt have payed lex $2 to live on those hospitable rocks from krypton lol anyways i thought what they could have done was if christopher reeves was alive still started the franchise again he could have been jor-el and brandon as clark/superman and they could have done a storyline where jor-el tries to convince the people of krypton that the planet explodes then brainiac convinces people its not plus the casting out of krypton of General Zod in to the phantom zone and in the second one have him escape but anyways they could have had braniac and lex as the villians and it would have been good then in the second one have zod and darkseid or metallo and the 3rd one mongul and livewire but no bryan followed in the footsteps of donner and tried to make this a sequel to the first one by stealing lines and the same sort of plot from the first superman movie anyways i dont think dc film franchise is under attack i think superman will pull it off but in the next superman film please and i say this on behalf of most general aduiences and comic book fans have a couple of superpowered villians in it for god sake have lex in there but devising a plan with darkseid or mongul or creating metallo or silver banshee so he can take superman on i wanna see supes use his heat vision on someone instead of a plane well thats my opinon sorry if i ranted on for to long

 

[Ben Urich]

Well, people waited a long time for a Superman film, and no one wants to basically see a rehash of the original film. Furthermore, just doing the natural disasters thing is old. With today's technology, it would have been nice to see Superman fight something other than a rock, and it would have been nice to have a better storyline than Luthor and his real estate.

Today's audience deserves better than a rehash of the past, and it's being reflected in the box office. If a Superman film had been done with a great story, and a great villain other than Luthor, it would have succeeded. It's just a reflection of the times. People want more than what they had in 1978, and what worked then isn't going to necessarily work now.

If someone that really had an appreciation for Superman had done the film, it would have done better. Singer has an appreciation for the "Donner Film", and Superman is more than just that film. Look at Timm/Dini in the DCAU. Did they use "Superfriends models" or the "Donner Film" as their only sources? No! They made the animated features interesting and used other sources, and if you'd had those guys working on a live action film writing the story, rather than Harris/Daugherty, you'd have seen a great story with a great villain to complement Luthor and you'd have seen great action. This would have been reflected at the box office. You would have gotten a great Superman movie, and not a Superdad film with Superman and son.

I agree.
As much as I loved Superman Returns, I don't think it's at all what the general public were expecting.

ok here goes my opinon i really liked the superman returns film there were a few things that bugged me like supes having a son and that lex was nice and dark for the forst part of the film then by the middle went corny and then by the end was a little bit dark again i mean wot the hell beach front proprties i wouldnt have payed lex $2 to live on those hospitable rocks from krypton lol anyways i thought what they could have done was if christopher reeves was alive still started the franchise again he could have been jor-el and brandon as clark/superman and they could have done a storyline where jor-el tries to convince the people of krypton that the planet explodes then brainiac convinces people its not plus the casting out of krypton of General Zod in to the phantom zone and in the second one have him escape but anyways they could have had braniac and lex as the villians and it would have been good then in the second one have zod and darkseid or metallo and the 3rd one mongul and livewire but no bryan followed in the footsteps of donner and tried to make this a sequel to the first one by stealing lines and the same sort of plot from the first superman movie anyways i dont think dc film franchise is under attack i think superman will pull it off but in the next superman film please and i say this on behalf of most general aduiences and comic book fans have a couple of superpowered villians in it for god sake have lex in there but devising a plan with darkseid or mongul or creating metallo or silver banshee so he can take superman on i wanna see supes use his heat vision on someone instead of a plane well thats my opinon sorry if i ranted on for to long

There is not one period in your entire post.

 

[DarKush]

I don't think SR is a financial disappointment. It's close to $100 million already. It will make its money back, if not in the US, then worldwide, and plus when it comes out on DVD.

That being said, after reading some of these posts, I don't get some posters trepidation at having a villian other than Luthor in Superman movies.

Don't get me wrong. I do think Luthor was the best way to go for Returns. For me, he is Supes greatest foe, and a lot of casual fans would probably wonder why he wasn't in the movie.

However, I wouldn't have been opposed to using another villian. Brainiac is being used to great effect on Smallville.

And I also think that any sequels need to move beyond Luthor.

Just because the general audience might not know who Metallo or Darkseid are doesn't mean they won't go to movies with them in it.

Superman is the reason they go to see the movie anyway. The greater and more diverse the villian or threat each time, the more crowd pleasing it will be. So that people won't get the feeling of same old, same old.

Besides, on cartoons and TV shows, many people are already familiar with Darkseid, Metallo, Doomsday, etc.

WB's vast marketing machine could easily introduce the new villians. I mean, Zod wasn't all that popular until Superman 2. Let's give some other villians a chance.

 

[Philly Phanboy]

...And I also think that any sequels need to move beyond Luthor.

Just because the general audience might not know who Metallo or Darkseid are doesn't mean they won't go to movies with them in it.

Superman is the reason they go to see the movie anyway. The greater and more diverse the villian or threat each time, the more crowd pleasing it will be. So that people won't get the feeling of same old, same old.

Besides, on cartoons and TV shows, many people are already familiar with Darkseid, Metallo, Doomsday, etc.

WB's vast marketing machine could easily introduce the new villians. I mean, Zod wasn't all that popular until Superman 2. Let's give some other villians a chance.

Singer returning means we'll only see Luthor.

 

[Superman4ever]

$ 600 million and they didnt even make a sequal

They were going to...T2: IE (Iceburg Elimination)

 

[Philly Phanboy]

ok here goes my opinon i really liked the superman returns film there were a few things that bugged me like supes having a son and that lex was nice and dark for the forst part of the film then by the middle went corny and then by the end was a little bit dark again i mean wot the hell beach front proprties i wouldnt have payed lex $2 to live on those hospitable rocks from krypton lol anyways i thought what they could have done was if christopher reeves was alive still started the franchise again he could have been jor-el and brandon as clark/superman and they could have done a storyline where jor-el tries to convince the people of krypton that the planet explodes then brainiac convinces people its not plus the casting out of krypton of General Zod in to the phantom zone and in the second one have him escape but anyways they could have had braniac and lex as the villians and it would have been good then in the second one have zod and darkseid or metallo and the 3rd one mongul and livewire but no bryan followed in the footsteps of donner and tried to make this a sequel to the first one by stealing lines and the same sort of plot from the first superman movie anyways i dont think dc film franchise is under attack i think superman will pull it off but in the next superman film please and i say this on behalf of most general aduiences and comic book fans have a couple of superpowered villians in it for god sake have lex in there but devising a plan with darkseid or mongul or creating metallo or silver banshee so he can take superman on i wanna see supes use his heat vision on someone instead of a plane well thats my opinon sorry if i ranted on for to long

There is not one period in your entire post.

LOL.

 

[Superman4ever]

ok here goes my opinon i really liked the superman returns film there were a few things that bugged me like supes having a son and that lex was nice and dark for the forst part of the film then by the middle went corny and then by the end was a little bit dark again i mean wot the hell beach front proprties i wouldnt have payed lex $2 to live on those hospitable rocks from krypton lol anyways i thought what they could have done was if christopher reeves was alive still started the franchise again he could have been jor-el and brandon as clark/superman and they could have done a storyline where jor-el tries to convince the people of krypton that the planet explodes then brainiac convinces people its not plus the casting out of krypton of General Zod in to the phantom zone and in the second one have him escape but anyways they could have had braniac and lex as the villians and it would have been good then in the second one have zod and darkseid or metallo and the 3rd one mongul and livewire but no bryan followed in the footsteps of donner and tried to make this a sequel to the first one by stealing lines and the same sort of plot from the first superman movie anyways i dont think dc film franchise is under attack i think superman will pull it off but in the next superman film please and i say this on behalf of most general aduiences and comic book fans have a couple of superpowered villians in it for god sake have lex in there but devising a plan with darkseid or mongul or creating metallo or silver banshee so he can take superman on i wanna see supes use his heat vision on someone instead of a plane well thats my opinon sorry if i ranted on for to long

Whoa, longest run on setence ever! Theoretically, this thing could go on forever...hhhmmmmm.

...i wanna see supes use his heat vision on someone instead of a plane well thats my opinon sorry if i ranted on for to long

but I just felt that I had to get that off my chest but i really think a supervillian would have been so cool and [hypsters continue]

 

[Philly Phanboy]

Nolan will continue with Batman.

But I doubt WB would take chances on lesser heroes if Superman doesnt sell.

And about Goyer and Whedon, it wouldnt be the first time WB threw out scripts in production.

Look at how many scripts were scrapped for Superman over the past decade and longer.

It really depends on the scale of those other movies. The only other "event" level DC hero on the horizon is probably Wonder Woman that might warrant a larger budget. In the case of Wonder Woman, I'm of the growing impression that they might be best to postpone production until they can film two or more movies back-to-back to better manage their budget.

 

[Ben Urich]

I think the problem with Singer's use of Luthor wasn't the fact that it was Lex; it was that, because of the nature of the remake, they had to go on with that silly notion that Lex is some egocentric master criminal with a hardon for land. It's a lame motivation. I'd have prefered a fresher take on Luthor as a businessman whom the public revere, but who privately loathes and distrusts Superman.
If I had my way, Superman Returns 2 would show Lex "going clean" - IE serving prison time, returning his ill-gotten gains, and establishing LexCorp, where he'd invest heavily in cloning. Bizarro, anyone?

 

[dpm07]

I think the problem with Singer's use of Luthor wasn't the fact that it was Lex; it was that, because of the nature of the remake, they had to go on with that silly notion that Lex is some egocentric master criminal with a hardon for land. It's a lame motivation. I'd have prefered a fresher take on Luthor as a businessman whom the public revere, but who privately loathes and distrusts Superman.
If I had my way, Superman Returns 2 would show Lex "going clean" - IE serving prison time, returning his ill-gotten gains, and establishing LexCorp, where he'd invest heavily in cloning. Bizarro, anyone?

I agree with everything you said. My only change would have been Metallo instead of Bizarro, but you're right on the subject of your statement.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

And no offense, Tom Welling in the film role really wouldnt have made a difference as far as the likeability of the portrayal of the character goes.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240333&page=4

The vast majority seem to love Brandon Routh. Sadly, you wouldnt get anywhere close to a reaction like this for TW on SHH or BT.

I was even shocked to real on Kryptonsite how so many loved BR's performance and prefer TW to remain playing the teenage character on Smallville while BR plays Superman.

Trust me, it would. And the answer to those 2 points you mentioned are very simple: Smallville fans prefer to see Routh (the other fans like him because he looks like Chris and because they are blindly loyal to Singer, had he chosen Caviezel, Cage or James Marsden they would still blindly support him) to play Superman in THAT movie because they didn't want Tom Welling in Superman Returns, they wanted him to play the role in a movie that either followed where the show ended or in something totally new. They didn't want him to play the role being made up to be Reeve and do a remake of Superman the movie.

 

[Ben Urich]

I agree with everything you said. My only change would have been Metallo instead of Bizarro, but you're right on the subject of your statement.

Why not both?
Talk about your action scenes. up:

 

[Kane]

So I still dont understand your point? What difference would Tom Welling have made (if he was cast as Superman) from a gross profits point of view compared to Brandon Routh when the majority of the TW supporters within the SV fan community saw SR anyways and already contributed to its revenue?

 

[Lestat74]

frankly, we can have Lexcorp Lex in the next movie WITHOUT any jail time...I mean, how are they gonna pin the whole "New Krypton" thing on him anyways? There's no evidence. Plus, he's a newly minted Billionaire...maybe there was a Vanderworth Industries that he can now turn into LexCorp. Plus, as a very rich man he could hire the best lawyers now. If they wanted to send him to jail they would have. They didn't on purpose.

 

[Kane]

It really depends on the scale of those other movies. The only other "event" level DC hero on the horizon is probably Wonder Woman that might warrant a larger budget. In the case of Wonder Woman, I'm of the growing impression that they might be best to postpone production until they can film two or more movies back-to-back to better manage their budget.

I think the majority of other DC franchaises would require a larger budget.

WW would need a Superman-like budget for alot of insane special effects; Bullet-time, flying, creating Paradise Island etc..

The Flash would also need alot of special effects if they want to make it cool.

GL would likely need more SFX compared to Superman; for flight, the light constructs etc..

Shazam would need a similar budget to Superman too given the type of similar powers that Capt Marvel has, including flight.


If Superman fails in WB's eyes, the future of these other projects just seem grim.

 

[Ben Urich]

I think the majority of other DC franchaises would require a larger budget.

WW would need a Superman-like budget for alot of insane special effects; Bullet-time, flying, creating Paradise Island etc..

No bullet time

 

[GL's Light]

Superman and Green Lantern need big budgets, but other characters could be brought in on more moderate amounts.

The Flash could be very expensive or only moderately expensive depending on how big you go with the FX. Speed effects could be created quite cheaply using simple techniques, or they could cost a ton if you go all out and use cutting edge techniques.

Wonder Woman, too, could have a big budget or a moderate budget depending on how you design the film.

If you have talented filmmakers who know how to get great production values on a moderate budget you don't have to spend a fortune on every superhero movie.

 

[CConn]

I think the problem with Singer's use of Luthor wasn't the fact that it was Lex; it was that, because of the nature of the remake, they had to go on with that silly notion that Lex is some egocentric master criminal with a hardon for land. It's a lame motivation. I'd have prefered a fresher take on Luthor as a businessman whom the public revere, but who privately loathes and distrusts Superman.
If I had my way, Superman Returns 2 would show Lex "going clean" - IE serving prison time, returning his ill-gotten gains, and establishing LexCorp, where he'd invest heavily in cloning. Bizarro, anyone?

That's what I'd like to see. Although I might have it build a bit more slowly.

 

[Kane]

No bullet time

But there needs to be some shots of WW reflecting bullets with her arm things, they'll likely slow that down.

The problem is...just that one shot of Superman getting a bullet in the eye cost 2 million dollars....

So it is more expensive than it looks.


I guess the advantage of Batman is he had no superpowers, thus alot less CG work needed.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Movies like ROTS cost about $113 million, the most expensive LOTH cost about $95 million, so i dont see why Superman cost 185 million

 

[LEDZEPPELIN]

The guy that posted this got ahead of himself. SR is doing very well, and it hasn't been released in Central America, South America, and Europe yet.

Next time, give it a little more time before you start predicting DC's doom.

 

[Kane]

Hey it wasnt a prediction at all. It was just examining the possibility of this possible situation....which is still in the realm of realistic outcomes.

 

[Lestat74]

No matter what Superman would have done at the Box Office, they are NOT going to spend more than $80 Million on Wonder Woman. NO female driven action flicks have done well with the exception of Tomb Raider and the first Charlie's Angels. Both of which made only $130 million or so. So WW will have a far smaller budget, as will Flash, because he is a lesser known character. Their expectations for these characters will be far LESS than Bats and Supes.

 

[Ben Urich]

But there needs to be some shots of WW reflecting bullets with her arm things, they'll likely slow that down.

The problem is...just that one shot of Superman getting a bullet in the eye cost 2 million dollars....

So it is more expensive than it looks.


I guess the advantage of Batman is he had no superpowers, thus alot less CG work needed.

I know that they need the deflection shots, but not too many of them.
I loved the first Matrix movie, but I will forever hate it also because of all the copycat **** it spawned.

 

[WTFwuzThT]

WB is sitting on a gold mine with both Superman and Batman. Unfortunately they both have underwhelming movies. Batman was at best mediocre and Superman is well... not good. it's unfortunate.