The Fountain
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kol_lover said:
November has pretty much been HIS month! The Prestige, Flushed Away, Happy Feet, (although it's not setting the box office ablaze) and The Fountain. We might all need to go through some "Hugh Withdrawl". At is it's, I'll be happy when he's back as Wolverine. With all the other movies he'll be doing before that, it'll be a welcome change of pace to see him with the hair and the claws again.
t:According to IMDB, Jude was in 6 movies in 2004... the same as Hugh has had 6 movies this year
I can't wait to see The Fountain myself, if only cos I want to see Jackman's performance. Most people are saying it's his best yet.
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Just saw this today, totally lived up to my expectations. Aronofsky is a genius story teller, so simple..yet so complex. Clint Mansellm has done a great job with the score once again as the theme is still haunting me 
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I've got to see this, it's only playing in one theater where i live!!!! and that's at least an hour away!
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Don't know if this has been posted, but the "Stay With Me" track is up for remixing, for all you musicians out there. Download the remix parts here...
http://www.thefountainremixed.com/en/welcome.php
I posted this at an electronic dance music forum I frequent, and I'm anxiously awaiting some of their results.
http://www.thefountainremixed.com/en/welcome.php
I posted this at an electronic dance music forum I frequent, and I'm anxiously awaiting some of their results.
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It was completely different from what I expected when I watched the trailers. I enjoyed it. I think I will love it after two glasses of wine. 
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What I find shocking when reading reviews is how many people believe....
... that the tree inside the biosphere is the literal Tree of Life. For me, it seemed that the tree was a "Tree of Life" seed planted over the grave of Izzy and thus, Izzy grew into that tree thus it having such "life-giving" and "ghostly" properties.
Another thing that bugs me is people saying that Cosmonaut Tom was part of Tommy's revision to Izzy's story. I don't think this is the case for a number of reasons:
Izzly leaves to Tom a 'chapter' of the book. The journey into space would constitute much more than one chapter, in fact, it'd constitute an entirely new book in some respects. Also, the film repeatedly leaves off at the moment where the temple guard with the flaming sword confronts Tomas. It only completes after Tommy commits to "finishing" the story -- and it does so in an awfully painful metaphorical fashion since Tomas is consumed by immortality and his greed for it and loses himself just as Tommy is consumed by his quest to prevent's Izzy's death that he falls from it. The Fountain, written by Izzy, really is her lament of her own relationship with Tommy in many ways.
Also, Tommy would not imagine himself as some Zen-like cosmonaut. It is more logical and simpler to presume that after Izzy died, Tommy planted the seed from the rainforest tree and placed it over her grave, causing it to grow. He later returned at the End of the World and uprooted the tree and encased it in this bubble, taking it with him To Xiababla so that they both could be reborn. The Zen aspect of it all is simple survival. To prevent his muslces from atrophying and also to calm his mind nad prevent insanity, Tom adopts these mediations.
Anyway, I do love how people get various interpretations. While I am loath to discard the Tomas narrative as simple fiction of Izzy (I really liked the idea of this man living for 1,000 years), I have to say that there are in reality only two Thomas in this story. Tommy and Tomas, "Tom" also being Tommy. The only possible way that Tomas could be Tommy is if somehow he is reincarnated...but then it would be odd that Tommy remembers nothing of this Tree of Life.
Another thing that bugs me is people saying that Cosmonaut Tom was part of Tommy's revision to Izzy's story. I don't think this is the case for a number of reasons:
Izzly leaves to Tom a 'chapter' of the book. The journey into space would constitute much more than one chapter, in fact, it'd constitute an entirely new book in some respects. Also, the film repeatedly leaves off at the moment where the temple guard with the flaming sword confronts Tomas. It only completes after Tommy commits to "finishing" the story -- and it does so in an awfully painful metaphorical fashion since Tomas is consumed by immortality and his greed for it and loses himself just as Tommy is consumed by his quest to prevent's Izzy's death that he falls from it. The Fountain, written by Izzy, really is her lament of her own relationship with Tommy in many ways.
Also, Tommy would not imagine himself as some Zen-like cosmonaut. It is more logical and simpler to presume that after Izzy died, Tommy planted the seed from the rainforest tree and placed it over her grave, causing it to grow. He later returned at the End of the World and uprooted the tree and encased it in this bubble, taking it with him To Xiababla so that they both could be reborn. The Zen aspect of it all is simple survival. To prevent his muslces from atrophying and also to calm his mind nad prevent insanity, Tom adopts these mediations.
Anyway, I do love how people get various interpretations. While I am loath to discard the Tomas narrative as simple fiction of Izzy (I really liked the idea of this man living for 1,000 years), I have to say that there are in reality only two Thomas in this story. Tommy and Tomas, "Tom" also being Tommy. The only possible way that Tomas could be Tommy is if somehow he is reincarnated...but then it would be odd that Tommy remembers nothing of this Tree of Life.
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What brings it home that future "Tom" is most likely Tommy's way of going through the situation his mind is that at the end after he plants the seed over Izzi's grave, he says "Bye Izzi." I don't think he would've said that if he was going to continue obsessing over finding a "cure" for death.
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Whenever it flashed back to the past and revealed more of the 'Conquistador' story, it was cued from Izzy's book. It was not an autobiography. Izzy was coming to terms with her mortality and recognized her husbands valiant medical work to try and fix her. Izzy, upon finding she was going to die, attempted to latch onto ANYTHING that'd make her not fear it. She became attached to an ancient myth of the First Father and the tree of life in the Mayan universe. She fell in love with the idea that a whole culture would see their underworld as something that was dying. Death to create. So she began writing a book about Queen Isabelle and the conquistador and their 'quest' to find the Tree of Life. She paralleled it with her life (and inevitable death) and that of her faithful and workaholic husband. The Inquisitor maybe represented something else, like the tumor but maybe just the external threats of personal pursuit.
In the first twelve chapters it told the tale of the Conquistadors success, maybe mirroring the fact that she knew her relentless husband would find a cure but would maybe be too late. This is why at the end of the past the conqistador became consumed and thus couldn't return to the Queen who was being overrun by the Inquisitor. This is also why she couldn't finish the book, because she knew she was going to die and that the remaining story would take place AFTER her death.
That is Izzy.
Thomas, meanwhile, was already feeling guilt at not BEING with his wife as much while trying to find the cure. He was relentless and unscientific, fighting against the clock so to speak. You can tell he 'denied' or tried to, her growing attachment to the myth and the acceptance of death, usually recoiling or crying or whatnot. Anyway, his story takes place in the present and 'future' and is divided accordingly.
So. He fails to save her but does find a cure, too late as we know. He lost his ring, maybe symbolic of the fact he was not with his wife as much as he wish he had been and compensates by tattooing. I think all the lines on his arms in the future are rings of a tree, showing how many years AFTER her death he lived. Again, I don't think the future segment is literal at all but merely a 'vessel' of thought and grief and the attempts to overcome it.
So he does the rings on his arm, solves the cure and probably becomes famous in doing so. He also plants a seed, which is rotted because it was given to him by her so years passed and plants it at her grave. He still feels grief and guilt for many things he didn't do during life and is haunted by her memory. He finishes the novel also realizing to live with her eternally again he must end it. Remember that is the big revelation at the end of the future segment when he detaches and heads towards a dying nebula? To end it. This is where I think he comits suicide.
That is Thomas.
So the whole story is about their relationship in modern times. I imagine the 'future' seqment is all about Hugh Jackman coming to terms with his failure. He has been asked to finish the novel and has also done right by his wife in planting a seed at her grave. He feels guilt, however. This is why the tree in the bubble that represents her also dies before he reaches the Nebula.
Personally I think after he finds the cure and revolutionizes science and also planting the seed, he commits suicide, but this is purely my assumption. To end it was the big revelation I feel was a double entendre to his life as well as the book which undoubtedly he'd get published somewhere after writing the last chapter.
In the first twelve chapters it told the tale of the Conquistadors success, maybe mirroring the fact that she knew her relentless husband would find a cure but would maybe be too late. This is why at the end of the past the conqistador became consumed and thus couldn't return to the Queen who was being overrun by the Inquisitor. This is also why she couldn't finish the book, because she knew she was going to die and that the remaining story would take place AFTER her death.
That is Izzy.
Thomas, meanwhile, was already feeling guilt at not BEING with his wife as much while trying to find the cure. He was relentless and unscientific, fighting against the clock so to speak. You can tell he 'denied' or tried to, her growing attachment to the myth and the acceptance of death, usually recoiling or crying or whatnot. Anyway, his story takes place in the present and 'future' and is divided accordingly.
So. He fails to save her but does find a cure, too late as we know. He lost his ring, maybe symbolic of the fact he was not with his wife as much as he wish he had been and compensates by tattooing. I think all the lines on his arms in the future are rings of a tree, showing how many years AFTER her death he lived. Again, I don't think the future segment is literal at all but merely a 'vessel' of thought and grief and the attempts to overcome it.
So he does the rings on his arm, solves the cure and probably becomes famous in doing so. He also plants a seed, which is rotted because it was given to him by her so years passed and plants it at her grave. He still feels grief and guilt for many things he didn't do during life and is haunted by her memory. He finishes the novel also realizing to live with her eternally again he must end it. Remember that is the big revelation at the end of the future segment when he detaches and heads towards a dying nebula? To end it. This is where I think he comits suicide.
That is Thomas.
So the whole story is about their relationship in modern times. I imagine the 'future' seqment is all about Hugh Jackman coming to terms with his failure. He has been asked to finish the novel and has also done right by his wife in planting a seed at her grave. He feels guilt, however. This is why the tree in the bubble that represents her also dies before he reaches the Nebula.
Personally I think after he finds the cure and revolutionizes science and also planting the seed, he commits suicide, but this is purely my assumption. To end it was the big revelation I feel was a double entendre to his life as well as the book which undoubtedly he'd get published somewhere after writing the last chapter.
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I still haven't seen the movie yet (will finally have the time/effort to do so probably on Christmas, where it's playing for one showing at the cheap theater. 
), but from what I've read here, it seems very, very similar to the graphic novel.
What I thought after reading the graphic novel was this: None of it was "real." It was an allegory, kind of like Aesop's fables. It's a story that exists to teach others. Once I realized that, the timeline jumping made a lot more sense. It's definitely more intuitive and emotional than logical. Tom and Izzi (and their other characters) aren't real in the sense that they could exist - they're representatives of the conflict that the story has. The fact that futuristic Tom and Izzi wander around naked in the bubble (representing Adam and Eve) makes it pretty clear.
The book did have some pacing issues right before Tom makes his epiphany about Izzi's last chapter though. I thought the jump in his train of thought was a bit too far. I wonder if that still exists in the movie...
), but from what I've read here, it seems very, very similar to the graphic novel.What I thought after reading the graphic novel was this: None of it was "real." It was an allegory, kind of like Aesop's fables. It's a story that exists to teach others. Once I realized that, the timeline jumping made a lot more sense. It's definitely more intuitive and emotional than logical. Tom and Izzi (and their other characters) aren't real in the sense that they could exist - they're representatives of the conflict that the story has. The fact that futuristic Tom and Izzi wander around naked in the bubble (representing Adam and Eve) makes it pretty clear.
The book did have some pacing issues right before Tom makes his epiphany about Izzi's last chapter though. I thought the jump in his train of thought was a bit too far. I wonder if that still exists in the movie...
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