The "Hoodie" Incident: Controversial? Racist? - Part 3

[Mr.?]

Zimmerman was somewhere between 200lbs and 225lbs, plus he was taking MMA classes. How someone like that couldn't break away from someone built like Trayvon is very questionable. Yes, 160lbs is very small.

Im 205 and pretty strong for my size. I've benched 315 and deadlifted 350. Even I would have trouble with someone that weight on top of me punching me in the face.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Did you guys like... not read or watch any of this case?

Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon Martin confronted him as he was walking back to his car to go meet the police.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

There's all kinds of nonsense being tossed around in this thread that has nothing to do with anything.

Seems some want to stay focused on the weight issue.

For whatever reason.

 

[Mr.?]

I have to ask the question, since it's been mentioned so many times: Why is the MMA training brought up so much? I mean, it's certainly relevant, but just because someone took a year or so of MMA classes, doesn't mean they're actually any good at it. I'm not saying that was the case, but lots of people can study something for an extended period of time, and simply not pick it up. Fighting skill would definitely fall in that category.

I think it's relevant in the sense that why would a guy who has crap fighting skills confront someone physically? Doesn't add up.

 

[Schlosser85]

Did you guys like... not read or watch any of this case?

That's been obvious all along.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Sorry we're not all action heroes.

Yes, I'm skinny.

Yes, I'm an adult (or "adult" according to some of the he-men in here, apparently).

Me being over ten years older than Trayvon definitely does not mean I could have physically heaved him off of me if he was crouching on top of me punching me in the face.

Zimmerman's whole account is suspect. He's was older, heavier, appeared to be of equal (likely greater) strength than Martin. He was involved in MMA, where learning to defend oneself in the grappling range is one of the basic functions.

Yet, with all of these advantages, he couldn't manage to tie up a 160lb kid? Buck him off and run? None of this adds up.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think it's relevant in the sense that why would a guy who has crap fighting skills confront someone physically? Doesn't add up.

Because he's a hotheaded idiot? Plenty of people with little to no fighting skills whatsoever confront other people all the time. I don't see what's implausible about this.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Have you seen photographs of Zimmerman? He's a short paunchy guy.

There's probably a reason he felt the need to go around with a gun.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Did you guys like... not read or watch any of this case?

Zimmerman alleges that Trayvon Martin confronted him as he was walking back to his car to go meet the police.

Why would anyone believe the suspect???

Do you expect him to say anything other than what makes him look like a complete victim?

He was facing decades of hard time. Of course he was walking to the car he should've never left to go straight to the police station.

Of course...Seems legit.

 

[Charlie Boy]

Hoodie Kerfuffle starring Nick Cannon as Trayvon Martin and Jonah Hill as George Zimmerman.

Tentative release date: December 25th, 2014

 

[Mr.?]

Because he's a hotheaded idiot? Plenty of people with little to no fighting skills whatsoever confront other people all the time. I don't see what's implausible about this.

Fair enough.

 

[bullets]

I have to ask the question, since it's been mentioned so many times: Why is the MMA training brought up so much? I mean, it's certainly relevant, but just because someone took a year or so of MMA classes, doesn't mean they're actually any good at it. I'm not saying that was the case, but lots of people can study something for an extended period of time, and simply not pick it up. Fighting skill would definitely fall in that category.

I agree that going to classes doesn't mean your a great fighter. I'd say that even with experience someone can still get the best of you. Especially if they have the element of surprise. Zimmerman's story is believable in that sense.

 

[Schlosser85]

Why would anyone believe the suspect???

You automatically assuming he lied about everything is just as bad.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Why would anyone believe the suspect???

Do you expect him to say anything other than what makes him look like a complete victim?

He was facing decades of hard time. Of course he was walking to the car he should've never left to go straight to the police station.

Of course...Seems legit.

Not necessarily, but what are you guys talking about, Trayvon Martin circling his car, or dragging him out (that was a page back). What is that based on? Anything?

 

[the last son]

It's a little scary to know people can just legally carry weapons.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yeah. That's only been the law of the land for... well, I guess since early human colonization 10,000 years ago.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Someone jumping on you and pummeling you is reasonable fear for your life. YOu don't know what the person is capable of so his fear was reasonable.

Do you think Zimmerman was just driving around his neighborhood looking for people to murder that night?

Zimmerman claims he felt he was about to be killed. It is up to the prosecution to prove otherwise and they failed to do so. There is an extremely high standard to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court. There simply wasn't enough evidence to disprove Zimmerman's self-defense claim.

Where is the line?

The evidence shows that Zimmerman took a very small, and non-life threatening beating. If getting punched once or twice (which is all the evidence on Zimmerman's injuries indicates) is a reasonable fear for one's life, then this sets a very worrisome precedent that any fist fight can legally escalate into a gunfight via claims of self defense.

I don't know about you, but I don't particularly want to live in a country where shots can legally start being fired anytime a couple *****ebags get a little too rowdy and start fighting each other.

As far as the question of "do I think Zimmerman was out hunting black kids that night?"

No, I don't.

But I also never said he should have been charged with 1st degree murder, either.

People really need to stop confusing 1st degree murder with murder of any sort. 2nd degree murder, which Zimmerman was tried for, does not require pre-meditation. Intent =/= pre-meditation.

Oh in that case I agree, Trayvon should have ran for help instead of attacking Zimmerman.

But... Trayvon Martin did run. Zimmerman says so on the 911 call. "He's running". And then he gets out of his car and pursues, because "these *******s always get away".

I have to ask the question, since it's been mentioned so many times: Why is the MMA training brought up so much? I mean, it's certainly relevant, but just because someone took a year or so of MMA classes, doesn't mean they're actually any good at it. I'm not saying that was the case, but lots of people can study something for an extended period of time, and simply not pick it up. Fighting skill would definitely fall in that category.

Because one witness used an MMA term in describing Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman, so somehow, the 17 year old with no MMA training was laying a Brock Lesnar style beatdown on the 20-something year old who was larger and had over a year's worth of MMA training.

 

[Mr.?]

It's a little scary to know people can just legally carry weapons.

Makes me feel safer.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Im 205 and pretty strong for my size. I've benched 315 and deadlifted 350. Even I would have trouble with someone that weight on top of me punching me in the face.

In any kind of wrestling or MMA, one of the first skills you learn is using your weight. There is a reason those sports have weight classes. The larger man has a natural advantage. Reversing, escaping, or clenching an opponent, especially one that small, should have been simple.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Have you seen photographs of Zimmerman? He's a short paunchy guy.

There's probably a reason he felt the need to go around with a gun.

If he was so wimpy there was probably better reason for him to stay in the car.

I guess that's what the gun is for.

and how was he planning to capture Trayvon without handcuffs or police assistance?

again, I guess that's what the gun was for.

 

[Mr.?]

In any kind of wrestling or MMA, one of the first skills you learn is using your weight. There is a reason those sports have weight classes. The larger man has a natural advantage. Reversing, escaping, or clenching an opponent, especially one that small, should have been simple.

You're assuming he was ever good enough to do that. A .5 rating from his instructor says otherwise.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think it's relevant in the sense that why would a guy who has crap fighting skills confront someone physically? Doesn't add up.

Because he had backup on his hip.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Brace yourself!! Everyone on your Facebook feed is about to become Atticus Finch!!

I honestly don't know enough about the finer details to conclude whether this was manslaughter or self-defense. It's been a murky case from the start and highly charged by emotion. So I'm not really taking either side. But I have to shake my head at everyone on my facebook feed screaming about "miscarriages of justice" and to "rise up" when the previous height of their social activism was participating in zombie flash-mobs.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Have you seen photographs of Zimmerman? He's a short paunchy guy.

There's probably a reason he felt the need to go around with a gun.

He wasn't so paunchy the night of the shooting.

 

[Schlosser85]

Brace yourself!! Everyone on your Facebook feed is about to become Atticus Finch!!

I honestly don't know enough about the finer details to conclude whether this was manslaughter or self-defense. It's been a murky case from the start and highly charged by emotion. So I'm not really taking either side. But I have to shake my head at everyone on my facebook feed screaming about "miscarriages of justice" and to "rise up" when the previous height of their social activism was participating in zombie flash-mobs.

That already kicked off on mine hours ago.

And yes, I'm rolling my eyes at the psychics who magically know what happened.