Exactly, and that's why you see Venom getting shocked when he tries to kill and Bullseye is currently incapacitated.
But the end product is still some perp who is crippled or loses a limb or whatnot. How often did the Avengers do that to the Masters of Evil? Hell, I'm sure Maria Hill'd preferred that (she once stated that morally, she blamed most of Green Goblin's murders on Spider-Man because he never killed Norman, and not on the lackluster justice system that can't contain him. And here he is, leading the Thunderbolts).
Unfortunately true, but it's rather undeniable that the heroes in the Initative are treated a lot better.
As much as I like the comic itself, that is debateable. MVP died on the first day because of sheer instructor incompetance with a training simulation, and Armory was stripped of her powers as a result. They were expected to kill HYDRA agents during an attack on Bush's Texas Ranch, despite the fact that most superheroes, even Capt. America, see killing as a last resort. The Initiative isn't training superheroes, they are training super-soldiers, and that is a dilemma. There are some cooler heads, though, and hopefully they prevail. The SHRA itself may not be the issue, but the enforcement.
So basically, he did a job for S.H.I.E.L.D. which pretty much controls the Initiative. That really just tells me that Taskmaster still has his nanobots. Was there anything in the comic that would make it seem like he wasn't under Initiative control?
Because I am confident before long Taskmaster will be used in a manner where it would make little sense for him to be under nanobot control. After all, Deadpool did free him, didn't he?
As you can see, the Marvel pubic is stupid considering that they still hate mutants and are accepting of the Thunderbolts despite the fact that it has Venom on the team.
Yes. In real life, some people STILL think O.J. is being railroaded, or that Jacko got a bum rap (and in large numbers). In Marvel's public, you can save the world ten times over on national TV, but one imposter ruins your image forever. And, yeah, they are occasionally accepting of giant mutant death robots, when in real life no hate crime is tolerated outright and universally. It seems attempts to make the MU "more realistic" sometimes miss some actual realism.
Except there are a few "unrealistic" things such as the public being very trusting of the Thunderbolts or how Norman Osborne being in charge of the damn group. In real life the public would be very wary of them and a person like Osborn wouldn't be in charge of it, someone like Gyrich would.
Ellis' theme on Thunderbolts is "if the Americans were stupid enough to re-elect Bush, they will believe anything", and that is what leads into NEW THUNDERBOLTS. But, yeah, I agree with you here.
I know that Civil War was a commentary on current situations in the United States, but I think you might be looking too much into it.
I'm not. The very media that felt a Republican president with a Republican majority in Congress was the worst thing ever will fawn like dopers if Hillary or Obama wins the Presidency with a Democratic majority. The media is that predictable, polarized, and laughable.
Had Kerry won, America would have no longer been seen as a vile place and CW would not have happened. But, that's a moot point now.
Actually the Secret Avengers did have some flaws. They worked with criminals such as the Kingpin and were willing to work with others before the Punisher killed them.
But they weren't as exaggerated as much as the Pro-SHRA's sins. We were expected to root for the Secret Avengers against the overreaching stomp of civil liberties over security, but the thugs won.
But Tigra had a public identity before the Initiative. Using her as an example is rather poor. If Tigra had a secret identity, it would be a different story.
True. But she came up in NA with The Hood, so I had to run with her. You'd think that in all cities, and all characters, Tigra wouldn't have to explain herself to beat cops. If even after registering and being a police officer with a badge beforehand, cops are STILL shooting at you, the SHRA is useless.
I agree, Civil War may have ended rather poorly, but the Initiative has been great.
So far.
That IRON MAN comic is amusing but naturally there are flaws in the arguements:
- Marvel has yet to collectively decide whether Hulk kills people in rampages. For every writer who insists he does, another says he doesn't. Bendis proclaims that Hulk is a mass murderer. Greg Pak invents "Hulk Math" to explain why no one ever dies. The jury is near a mistrial on this one. Still, I'm not morally against the idea to exile the Hulk, especially since it has been done before. The method, on the other hand, was shoddy.
- The bit about "the rights of people whose property is smashed" is valid, the only problem is that Tony Stark debunked this arguement, himself, in the PRELUDE TO CIVIL WAR run in ASM. He tallied that the cost of property damage during superhero battles was far, far, FAR less than the cost to the nation had all those various threats from supervillains/criminals succeeded or gone unavenged. He even claimed "the U.S. was getting a bargain". Still, I would imagine in the MU there should be something called "Superbattle Insurance", especially in New York or California, the former centers of Marvel action.
Many of these issues come from choosing as writer as polarizing as Millar and seeming to act like all these characters battling were never friends before. Anyway, post CW with the SHRA law, all I see are the same villains popping up over and over like before, and many heroes running from the cape-killers.
What, he should've had SHIELD guards standing beside Tigra and every other Initiative member for the rest of their lives?
