And the winner is-long time ramifications of Marvel's Civil War

[Fantasyartist]

To my mind the anti-SHRA group of heroes had a far better case than did the Confederacy in the "War Between The States" of 1861-65. Whereas few save a Grand Wizard of the KKK or plantation owners would have defended secession based on the South's desire to maintain its "peculiar institution" ( that is slavery), the "rebels" led by Cap had stronger constitutional principals.
Self styled "get the government off the people's backs" conservatives should really ask themselves if the admininstration of the day( ANY administration, ideology or party irrelevant) has the right to arbitrarily declare the right to"nationalize" any group and declare that they can only function according to governmental diktat( it was reasons such as these that the Soviet Super Soldiers finally defected to the US).
"Vigilanteism" is a red herring in this context as heroes( with the exception of the Punisher or maybe Wolverine) have stellar reputations for cooperating with local, state or federal law enforcement bodies from the NYPD to the FBI.
In the midst of all the hoo-raying over Cap's surrender and ultimate assassination, all this has been more or less forgotten!
Remember what Spidey(before he revealed his dual identity as Peter Parker) told Congress- "registration ultimately means control"

Does anybody see "the dog beneath the skin" on this issue as I do?

Terry

 

[Fantasyartist]

Oops- I should have hit the email reply button!

Terry

 

[Willowhugger]

The ultimate problem with lionizing the Anti-Registration side is that this is the first time in the history of the Marvel Universe that the people in charge of registration, controlling heroes, and so on are genuinely decent human beings rather than pseudo-fascists like Peter Gyrich.

What rubbed people the wrong way with Civil War 7# was the realization that it wasn't going to create a dystopia. Iron Man isn't the comic book villain that people thought he was because the Negative Zone prison wasn't a permanent fixture nor was he going to trust the Commission on Superhuman Registration with controlling someone like the Green Goblin.

Let's face it. Captain America doesn't want to acknowledge the worst part of Registration. That its just enforcing the law that always existed in the Marvel Universe. Recruiting superheroes to fight against bad guys? Nick Fury did that every other issue, often by threatening to throw Spiderman into a dungeon. Chasing down heroes for being vigilantes? You mean like Daredevil was forced under by the plain old FBI? Like the X-men have suffered tremendously?

The Mutant Registration Act actually is a bit tragic because unlike in the X-men movies and cartoon; it passed in the Marvel Universe. For better or worse but the only people rounding up mutants to be drug into camps for execution were criminals rather than the government. It was Tony Stark who destroyed Project Wideawake by creating Sentinel O*N*E.

It's where Captain America was faced with the worst element of the modern era in the fact that there were opponents whom were not evil on the other end of the trigger. Maria Hill might deserve hanging from the highest gallows in the United States of America but so does Frank Castle.

In the end, Tony Stark and others didn't want control. They wanted to reaasure people and Captain America found himself fighting over something that wasn't worth killing for.....because how to best defend freedom wasn't so obvious to everyone around him.

 

[Harlekin]

Oops- I should have hit the email reply button!

Terry

Oops- you should have posted this in the Civil War thread!