The Horror Thread - Part 1

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Is your jadedness with the genre really the film's fault?
I think that with a lot when people say something isn't scary. Well, of course it isn't because it's 2013 and there have been so many horror movies, or maybe it's not scary because it's a movie. ;)

Movies don't scare me, so I judge horror movies based on their craft.
 
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I think that with a lot when people say something isn't scary. Well, of course it isn't because it's 2013 and there have been so many horror movies, or maybe it's not scary because it's a movie. ;)

Movies don't scare me, so I judge horror movies based on their craft.

Some of us like getting swept up in a movie. Yes, I'm aware that it isn't really happening...but that doesn't mean that the movie can't be unsettling or send chills down my spine or startle me or show me an insane way of killing someone.

Don't get me wrong...I do enjoy the craft. Most of the reason why I loved Magic Magic was that it basically serves as a masterclass on how to build fully realized characters in a Horror movie. However, I'm not so snobby and above it all that I can't allow myself to be taken for a ride. If a puppy dies in a sad movie, I might cry (even though the puppy is actually still alive). If Hulk throws Loki around a room, I'm going to loudly cheer (even though the entire thing was CGI and neither of those characters actually exist). When a Horror movie is effective, I react.

The new Texas Chainsaw was a horrible movie...but I won't fault someone if they say that for whatever reason they got a thrill out of it (I didn't). The Conjuring is a well done movie, in pretty much every way (except for originality). But watching Texas Chainsaw was probably a more fun experience for many. People go into different movies for different reasons. I didn't watch Detention expecting to see Saw, and I didn't go into Stoker expecting Friday the 13th. The Conjuring was billed as the scariest movie in 40 years...and instead it was a very well done, but not thrilling (or scary), movie. It accomplished everything it set out to do except what it is most heavily promoted as. That doesn't make it a bad movie.
 
Only a few movies genuinely terrified me, and they are for various, unique reasons:

The Mothman Prophecies
Frozen
Martyrs
The Strangers
Paranormal Activity

Nothing else has ever really done it for me.
 
It is impossible to scare audiences at this point; everything has been done. Gone are days when Hitchcock could have pulled off a 'Psycho' twist, or William Castle his publicity stunts. At this point, all we can hope for are well-made films, as everything has been done with the genre. There is no new ground to tread.

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On a disconnected note, I rewatched the remake of 'House on Haunted Hill.'



It has a nearly flawless cast: Janssen, Gallagher, Kattan, Rush, and of course, Combs, in his limited role. Each had their memorable scenes, but no arcs of development. I found the two survivors of the film - the fake executive and the ball player-to be quite annoying, though. I kept hoping they would be offed in the first reel, even though I knew it was not going to happen.

I enjoyed the title sequence and the film's fascination with 1930's culture and design (esp. Art Deco) and pre-modern medicine. However, I feel that the aesthetic is inconsistent: take the opening the scene. It starts from the Industrial Horror (think 7even, but using it to renegotiate 1930s designs,) to Lynchian cinema (the close up of the doctor blowing the shreds off the pencil,) to 1970s exploitation cinema (the pencils through the neck.) Then, it cuts to newsreel and then Unsolved Mysteries style program. In this scene, we go through five different aesthetics; I think if Malone had settled on one - for it and the film-it would have worked better. Afterwards, the horror alternates from German Expressionist, Industrial Horror, and then Splatter/Exploitation. If he had settled on two, I think it would have been a magnificent film. As it stands, it's a competently made film; what makes it frustrating is the potential in the film that pops up a lot more than one would expect. There are moments of brilliance: the TV host video taping Vannacutt conducting surgery; the mass of the asylum's spirits (which recalls the one Elm Street film where Freddy consumed the souls of his victims); and the Giger/Merhige influenced monsters.
 
People have been saying "you can't scare people anymore" for a long time, then practically ran out the theater when Samara came through the tv screen in The Ring. People covered their eyes for scenes in Saw. People were thrilled by Cabin In The Woods. I personally felt like I needed to boil my eyes in bleach after watching A Serbian Film.

Yeah...it is hard to get a cheap scare out of people by doing the same thing that has already been done a million times...which is why the genre and film makers should evolve and find new ways to horrify people. We are at a point where the genre must adapt yet again because the old scares are played out. There are groundbreaking filmmakers out there that are working on concepts right now that might affect us in ways we never imagined could be done in 2016. The rest are happy just rehashing the same old crap.
 
There's a difference between being scared and being disturbed or disgusted. Saw didn't really scare people, it disturbed them. ASF just made people ill (not in a good way). That is NOT the same as being genuinely scared.
 
Well...no, you're right...but Horror isn't just about making people run out of the theater because they are gullible enough to think that what is on screen may kill them. Horror can be about shocking you, or making you feel uneasy. Slasher films stopped scaring people long ago and are basically dark action films now, where the crowd roots for the masked maniac to kill everyone.

People are generally pretty savvy these days. They know that watching a movie about a masked killer will not make the killer appear in their shower. Most (I hope) are aware that Paranormal Activity is not real documentary footage (though millions did believe that stupid Mermaid show was real). More and more people are atheist, so they can't be terrified of possessions and ghosts etc. So is it even possible to TRULY scare people...like...convince them that they are actually in danger in that theater? Man...that is going to be tough. That is why we have so many jump scares. It at least makes people pop out of their chairs in temporary fear.

If we as a consumer community have moved beyond the gullibility of being scared by a movie, then movie studios should probably stop claiming that their movie is the scariest thing in 40 years. Personally, I am fine with Horror focusing on other things...whether it be thrilling me, shocking me, disgusting me, filling me with suspense etc. All of those things are Horror.
 
You specifically mentioned scaring people, so I responded to that.
 
You specifically mentioned scaring people, so I responded to that.

But people were scared by The Ring, and Paranormal Activity. Heck, apparently some people were scared by The Conjuring. I was scared by a jump scare in You're Next (half a second scare, but still).

It appears that you just don't want to qualify these reactions as actually getting scared. If the criteria for being scared by a movie truly is that you go home and check your closets and shower for murderers...then...yeah...I guess movies can never scare people again.
 
Watching Storage 24 on Netflix atm. So far it isn't scary at 15 minutes in but they did put the ominous animal death (off screen in the dark of course) around the 10 minute mark to let you know this is a really scary beast/alien/monster/whatever that will kill indiscriminately.

Kind of a cliche but at least they didn't feel the need to literally chuck the dogs corpse at us as I've seen in other similarly themed movies.
 
Did anyone watch Rare Exports? It used to be on Netflix, but its a pretty awesome Christmas horror film. There's some shorts on youtube as well, which are pretty interesting, but the movie was really good. A little silly in some places, but when dealing with the real origins of Santa Clause, I expected as much.
 
About 50 minutes in and it's gotten better. They've finally shown the monster alien thing and it's okay CG but they did a good kill shot. Lots of build up and some ridiculous actions by characters but no one too stupid for the most part for once.
 
Did anyone watch Rare Exports? It used to be on Netflix, but its a pretty awesome Christmas horror film. There's some shorts on youtube as well, which are pretty interesting, but the movie was really good. A little silly in some places, but when dealing with the real origins of Santa Clause, I expected as much.

Rare Exports is great fun as are all of the associated shorts.
 
And an hour in the crazy guy naturally makes for a comical face off with the alien. Of course it doesn't end well for him but at least the movie is picking up pace finally. The CG though is definitely budgeted.
 
I'm tired of Insidious getting hype. That movie was terrible. I bust out laughing at the gas mask scene. Sinister was so much better.
 
I loved Insidious.

I hated Sinister. D'onofrio actually Skyped in his performance. (lololol) It was more interesting when it was just Hawke finding messed up movies.
 
And finishing the movie it was okay although the ending was about what I expected only a little larger in scale. Cliches are always hard to pass up though.

Overall it's not that bad compared to the what I've seen some people say of it. The acting wasn't anything great, the CG was terrible in places, passable in others and the whole concept has been done endlessly but it was middle of the road horror without straining too hard.
 
I'm firing up The Last Will and Testament of Rosalind Leigh. Probably gonna give some commentary like Teelie did on it. Hoping I like it, Netflix has some pretty terrible ratings for it.
 
I'm firing up The Last Will and Testament of Rosalind Leigh. Probably gonna give some commentary like Teelie did on it. Hoping I like it, Netflix has some pretty terrible ratings for it.

I really enjoyed it...one of my favorites of the year...but don't expect much to happen. It's mostly a guy walking around a house. I was really impacted by the film in how I interpreted it because I can identify with its message...can't say much more than that...but when it was over I thought "Oh please...that is just stu...OH...OKAY...YEAH...AWESOME"

Plus, that house looks gorgeous...love the set design and camera work.
 
I really enjoyed it...one of my favorites of the year...but don't expect much to happen. It's mostly a guy walking around a house. I was really impacted by the film in how I interpreted it because I can identify with its message...can't say much more than that...but when it was over I thought "Oh please...that is just stu...OH...OKAY...YEAH...AWESOME"

Plus, that house looks gorgeous...love the set design and camera work.
Nice, I'm watching it now. Only problem I have so far, is some of the shots of the camera sweeping from upstairs to downstairs and such are almost making me feel dizzy, and I've never gotten sick from a film, or theme park ride or anything like that.

Edit: I'm creeped out by the man at the door about 35 minutes in. You don't get to see him, but he's just so weird sounding.
 
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I'm tired of Insidious getting hype. That movie was terrible. I bust out laughing at the gas mask scene. Sinister was so much better.

I really like Sinister overall as it really, really unnerved me for most of it, but I was disappointed in the ending.

Insidious I find enjoyable because it goes completely off the rails.
 
Well, just finished Rosalind Leigh, and wow, that was really good. It was indeed quite the slow burn, but that last 30 minutes had me guessing, and I could not actually guess the ending that was coming.

So if I'm right, she was in fact a ghost, trapped after death, and she imagined her son returning to the house. The creature, that was loneliness trying to make her realize it wasn't real? I know it implied the father committed suicide, but I'm kind of thinking she was the one who did.

A couple things I wasn't sure on also

In the event it was real, what was up with the brothers, and how they appeared on the front lawn at one point for some reason. Also, in the event of it being real, what was the creature to Leon? He seemed to have problems stemming from his childhood, but I wasn't sure if it might have been a manifestation of his mind from being back home, or something else.
 
Besides the Creepshow movies and Trick 'r Treat, are there any other good anthology movies you guys could recommend to me?
 
Besides the Creepshow movies and Trick 'r Treat, are there any other good anthology movies you guys could recommend to me?

Twilight Zone: The Movie, Tales from the Darkside: The Movie. I take gotten pretty mixed reviews but I liked V/H/S.
 
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