The Horror Thread

[Hobgoblin]

I never cared much for NOES or Halloween. I'm a straight up F13TH fan.

Freddy and Michael seemed dull to me. I liked Jason for being unstoppable. Twisting off heads, smashing through doors, throwing people around.

 

[redhawk23]

I find a lot of the F13 movies themselves to be pretty dull, most of the deaths are just stabbings. Nightmare on Elmstreet has had some crazy visual work over the years. Hypodermic needle fingers, people turned int roaches and stuck in giant roach motels, the chest of souls, etc. Crazy stuff.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I find a lot of the F13 movies themselves to be pretty dull, most of the deaths are just stabbings. Nightmare on Elm street has had some crazy visual work over the years. Hypodermic needle fingers, people turned int roaches and stuck in giant roach motels, the chest of souls, etc. Crazy stuff.

This is pretty much how I feel too. NOES has been my favorite of the big 3 for years, they're just so creative, even at their worst. And seeing the documentary and actually hearing how things were made, makes me have a lot more respect for the bad films like 5 and 6, since I now have an idea as to what the thought process was behind them. They didn't turn out great, but they certainly had some ambitions to do something cool. I have all the F13s, but after the first couple, some of the characters were interesting, but the kills got rather old.

 

[redhawk23]

So my father has a cousin John Carl Buechler who is a special effects artist and director who directed F13 pt 7 and did a lot of work on several of the Nightmare on Elm Street and Reanimator and such.

I've grown up knowing about him and being greatly entertained by seeing the Buechler name up on the screen. This weekend I finally got to meet him when he came to
Con-tamination in St. Louis, Mo.

Very awesome guy. He spent the weekend drawing a demon mural across the table cloth at his booth in sharpie that they are auctioning off for charity.

I also met Kane Hodder for the second time. He actually stopped me and called me over to his table. He apparently just got done shooting a movie a few weeks ago that featured him in makeup very similar to the melting face effect that I had applied on myself. Got to talk to him about it for quite a while. Con-tamination gets pretty good guests but is pretty small. There are hardly any lines and the guests just kind of hang out with everyone. Far better experience than I've had at other cons.

The face-melt makeup I made went over really well. Horror cons are the best.

 

[Tanin]

I am super excited for the Curse of Chucky. Especially since the reviews all seem to be good.

 

[redhawk23]

I haven't actually seen any reviews for that yet.

My sister had her picture taken with Alex Vincent, who played Danny in Child's Plkay 1 & 2.

 

[Thundarr]

IMO the first 4 Ft13th's are downright awesome. Then you have 6 and 7 that are still very good. Even 5 and 8 have their moments. 9 and 10 I flat out hate.

I wouldn't say that I'm not an Elm Street guy but I only really liked the first one. It was mentioned in an earlier post and they're right. At least part 2 tries to be scary. The kid might scream like a **** but Freddy was still cool. Dream Warriors is a great idea but Freddy got way too sappy in those movies.

Maybe the better battle is with Halloween. I think there are a strong 4 or 5 Halloween movies and that's not counting Season of the Witch.

I agree that Friday The 13th consistently had better movies in the franchise more often then not. The first 4 being awesome, Part 5 being a cool idea that just didn't quite work, Part 6 being really fun, just not very scary, then everything after that getting progressively worse. A Nightmare On Elm Street only really has the original, Part 2 which wasn't as good but at least tried to be scary, and Part 3 which has some cool ideas and great visuals, but begins to add comedy to the mix. After that they just got really silly.

The only really good movies from the Halloween franchise are the original, plus Part 2 and H20. Parts 4 & 5 had their moments, but they were mere shadows of the awesomeness of the original. Then Part 6 and Resurrection just sucks b*lls.

 

[Thundarr]

I never cared much for NOES or Halloween. I'm a straight up F13TH fan.

Freddy and Michael seemed dull to me. I liked Jason for being unstoppable. Twisting off heads, smashing through doors, throwing people around.

I like that about Jason too. But Michael Myers is my favourite, because everything Jason does, Michael did first (being unstoppable, twisting off heads, smashing through doors, etc).

But I would hardly call Freddy dull. Of all the horror icons, he's one of the few with an actual personality.

 

[jonathancrane]

Here is my listing of good films from each of the 'big 3' franchises:

NOES:

1, 3, Freddy's Dead, New Nightmare, reboot

Total: 5

Friday

2, 3, 4, 6, reboot

Total: 5

Halloween

1, 2, 3, 4, H20, RZH, RZH2

Total: 7
*6 is a guilty pleasure, along with 5

 

[Piper Maru]

I wonder if we'll ever get another Halloween movie?

 

[jonathancrane]

Unlikely.

The whole franchise is in a mess. I read up on the notes for the proposed film by Farmer/Lussier and it did not inspire much confidence in me. What I would really like to see is the final issue of the First Death of Laurie Strode, which was better than the sequels. However, due to the mess it is in - namely the rights and parties not getting paid-it is highly unlikely it will ever see the light of day. Which is a shame, because it is was magnificent.

And I highly recommend its publishing precursor ,Nightdance, which is complete and is visually and narratively rich. Problem is it went out of print and copies around $20, if one is lucky. But, if you can find it for a good price snag it, due to the limited availability and treats it contains for seasoned Halloween fans.

 

[Thundarr]

Quips or not, Freddy has some extremely gruesome kills in Dream Warriors. The hypodermic needles and the marionette scenes in particular. At that point Freddy is still squarely the antagonist, the film being about the characters coming together to beat him.

What I hate about horror franchises is how they always morph into something where you are rooting for the killer.

That's a good point. I just recently watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D on You Tube. While it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be from the bad reviews, one of the things that bothered me about it was they kinda portrayed Leatherface as a kinda hero. His motivation was no longer chopping people up for bar-b-que, but was now getting revenge for the massacre of his entire family.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I like that about Jason too. But Michael Myers is my favourite, because everything Jason does, Michael did first (being unstoppable, twisting off heads, smashing through doors, etc).

But I would hardly call Freddy dull. Of all the horror icons, he's one of the few with an actual personality.

I just never cared for NOES. It felt boring and over done. I dont care about surreal kills, just give me a giant psycho chasing teenagers in the woods. I liked Jason's beat up hockey mask more than the expressionless Mike Myers face.

 

[Thundarr]

Unlikely.

The whole franchise is in a mess. I read up on the notes for the proposed film by Farmer/Lussier and it did not inspire much confidence in me. What I would really like to see is the final issue of the First Death of Laurie Strode, which was better than the sequels. However, due to the mess it is in - namely the rights and parties not getting paid-it is highly unlikely it will ever see the light of day. Which is a shame, because it is was magnificent.

And I highly recommend its publishing precursor ,Nightdance, which is complete and is visually and narratively rich. Problem is it went out of print and copies around $20, if one is lucky. But, if you can find it for a good price snag it, due to the limited availability and treats it contains for seasoned Halloween fans.

Part of the reason the series is pretty much dead, is that producer Mustapha Akkad and his wife were killed in a terrorist bombing while visiting Egypt. And it was Mustapha who continually insisted on cranking out Halloween film after Halloween film. That's why, after such a beautiful ending in H20, we wound up with that phoned in turd Resurrection, because Mustapha didn't want to see the franchise end.
Then after RZ's dismal remakes, no one really wants to touch the franchise. So we'll no longer get any sequels to the original series, or to RZ's pieces of s**t. To which I say "Good". The Akkad family was beating a dead horse with the original series after Part 4, and you couldn't pay me enough to sit through another of RZ's attempts at another sequel.

As for the comics? Hell yes I'd love to see a conclusion to The First Death Of Laurie Strode! I'd also love to get my hands on a copy of Halloween: Behind The Mask from Chaos Comics. It's damned hard to find copies of, but they're usually available on Amazon or EBay.

 

[Majik1387]

As someone who didn't really hate any of the Halloween movies, including sequels and remakes, while I would like to see more Halloween movies, there's nothing more to do with Michael Myers' story. And I honestly think that's fine.

And if I remember one of the comics correctly, it takes place after the sequels, but prior to H20, they made Laurie the one in the mask, which honestly would have been an interesting turn to take.

 

[Thundarr]

I just never cared for NOES. It felt boring and over done. I dont care about surreal kills, just give me a giant psycho chasing teenagers in the woods. I liked Jason's beat up hockey mask more than the expressionless Mike Myers face.

The kills in ANOES didn't really start getting surreal until Part 3. In Parts 1 & 2 Freddy pretty much just slashed people with his glove.

That being said, I do love Jason as well, whether he's wearing a hockey mask or a pillow case. But Jason is almost a sympathetic character. I wasn't well liked in elementary and high school. I know how it feels to be an outcast. Then to have to raise yourself in the woods all alone? One can almost feel sorry for the guy. Not so with Michael Myers. He wasn't abused as a kid. He wasn't bullied at school. His mom wasn't a stripper or a ****e. One Halloween night he simply decided to pick up a big sharp kitchen knife and stab his sister to death when he was only 6 years old. And he's been killing ever since. By the character being less relateable and less sympathetic, it actually makes him more scary, at least IMO.

That's part of what makes Freddy such a great villain. He knows full well the difference between right and wrong. He just doesn't give a s**t.

 

[redhawk23]

The young woman being dragged across the ceiling in the first nightmare on elm street, or the jet of blood shooting out of Johnny Depps car are far more dynamic than anything in pretty much any of the F13 films and certainly more than any of the Halloween films.

I honestly have no idea why there is more than one Halloween film featuring Michael Myers.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I really liked the FT13 reboot. That said, I'm also glad there was no sequel. Any sequel would have just been a new batch of kids getting slashed by Jason and that's kind of boring if you ask me. Once was enough. Jason did his thing and that was that.

 

[redhawk23]

Another F13 film is on the way, possibly more than one.

 

[Majik1387]

I really liked the FT13 reboot. That said, I'm also glad there was no sequel. Any sequel would have just been a new batch of kids getting slashed by Jason and that's kind of boring if you ask me. Once was enough. Jason did his thing and that was that.

Another F13 film is on the way, possibly more than one.

Honestly, I want a sequel, however, I don't want it entirely focused on teens, I'd rather it be more about police officers of the area; I mean I would have teens as the smaller side characters that are victims, but I rather watch some mature and adult characters go head to head with Jason.

 

[Heretic]

CHEAP PLUG:

Some friends of mine are involved in making a movie based on the web series Fear Clinic! Danielle Harris, Robert Englund and Kane Hodder are signed on, and it's being directed by special effects expert Robert Hall (so you know it'll have cool looking death scenes).
Here's the indiegogo page...
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fear-clinic-the-movie

 

[culver3vlr22]

Honestly, I want a sequel, however, I don't want it entirely focused on teens, I'd rather it be more about police officers of the area; I mean I would have teens as the smaller side characters that are victims, but I rather watch some mature and adult characters go head to head with Jason.

That's what's I've always wanted a police centered F13 movie. Make so the cops think it's one of the teens or a parent. I've just wanted a cop to be the centric peace of the movie. Teens would be there just more so like the cops would go to crystal lake and teens are having a huge rager. And the cops come in to get Jason. We can finally have the party slaughter scene I've always wanted in a horror movie.

 

[redhawk23]

CHEAP PLUG:

Some friends of mine are involved in making a movie based on the web series Fear Clinic! Danielle Harris, Robert Englund and Kane Hodder are signed on, and it's being directed by special effects expert Robert Hall (so you know it'll have cool looking death scenes).
Here's the indiegogo page...
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fear-clinic-the-movie

Awesome, I first heard about Fear Clinic a few months ago.

 

[Hobgoblin]

The kills in ANOES didn't really start getting surreal until Part 3. In Parts 1 & 2 Freddy pretty much just slashed people with his glove.

That being said, I do love Jason as well, whether he's wearing a hockey mask or a pillow case. But Jason is almost a sympathetic character. I wasn't well liked in elementary and high school. I know how it feels to be an outcast. Then to have to raise yourself in the woods all alone? One can almost feel sorry for the guy. Not so with Michael Myers. He wasn't abused as a kid. He wasn't bullied at school. His mom wasn't a stripper or a ****e. One Halloween night he simply decided to pick up a big sharp kitchen knife and stab his sister to death when he was only 6 years old. And he's been killing ever since. By the character being less relateable and less sympathetic, it actually makes him more scary, at least IMO.

That's part of what makes Freddy such a great villain. He knows full well the difference between right and wrong. He just doesn't give a s**t.

I think that is why I dont like Myers. He just decided to kill people for no reason. The only explanation is that he is "simply and purely evil." It just feels like lazy writing.

Just my two cents.

 

[Majik1387]

Before it got into the Thorn cult and Samhain thrown in, I always figured it was a psychological disorder for Myers.