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As if that doesn't describe basically all of the Horror genre.


I have a strange standard for horror films. If I expect something to be good and it's lousy , I hate it. However if I go into something that I know might not be good I don't dislike it as much. I'll give some of them a pass for being watchable. I thought Jeepers Creepers had potential and that's why I hated it so much.

It was just full of unintentional comedy.
 
I don't like dumb characters in movies, but it's hard to have a movie if the lead character says "**** that!" and drives off to safety. Most characters in horror films are just dumb. Really, really dumb.

LOL. I didn't say he should have said "F**k that," and driven off to safety. I said he should have gone and tried to report it to the police. Here's how I would have written Jeepers Creepers (or at least that earlier scene).

The two kids are driving along the highway. They see the beat up looking old truck parked next to what appears to be an abandoned and condemned church. They slow down and watch as a figure in long brown coat and hat is removing things from the back of the truck and dumping them down the drain pipe. The objects are the relative size and shape of human bodies, wrapped in red stained white sheets. As they drive by, the mysterious person stops what he's doing and looks in their direction. They panic and hit the accelerator. As they're driving away, they try calling the police. The battery on the cell phone is dead and the brother realizes that he forgot to pack the charger. They decide to drive straight to the nearest town and report what they saw to the police. As they're barreling down the highway, they drive past a speed trap and are pulled over by the highway patrol.

"Thank God, officer. We were just on our way to try and find a police station. We think we may have witnessed a murder."

"What do you mean 'You think you may have witnessed a murder'? Have you witnessed one or not?"

"We didn't actually see a murder taking place. But we saw what looked like someone dumping bodies."

"Are you sure?"

"Well we weren't about to stick around and ask the guy if those were dead bodies he was throwing down the drainpipe! But they were the right size and shape, and they looked like they were wrapped in bloody sheets or something!"

"What drainpipe?"

"It's over by the old abandoned church."

"I know the place. Okay, I'll go check it out. You two come along. I want to keep an eye on you just in case you're pulling my leg."

Then the three of them go back to the old church. The kids feel like they should be safe now, because they have an armed police escort. When they arrive, the highway patrolman notices the fresh tire marks in the dirt, lending credibility to their story. Then he climbs down the pipe, not Justin Long, and discovers the dead bodies. As the kids are waiting at the top of the pipe, they hear the patrolman tell someone to freeze. Then they hear several gunshots and a blood curdling scream. Then there's silence. The kids call down the pipe to the officer, asking if he's okay. There's no answer. Panicked, they head back to their car and take off. Then the rest of the movie continues pretty much the same way it originally does.

See the difference? He does the smart thing (going to find help) and still ends up going back to the church. We still get the big reveal of all those dead bodies stitched together. We get our first death of the movie (done off screen, so we still don't see The Creeper and are still unaware of his supernatural nature). And Justin Long doesn't come off looking like he took the short bus to school. Win-win.
 
Yeah, I don't think that sounds much better than what we got...
 
That's an intelligent way to do it without making anyone stupid enough to go poking their nose into trouble asking to get eaten... they can still get eaten of course but they weren't asking for it either and they went to the authorities to get help instead of playing Scooby-Doo.
Yeah, I don't think that sounds much better than what we got...
The overall concept is though. It isn't some kid who shouldn't be poking around a dangerous place poking around it, it's a cop who is at least reasonably prepared and trained to handle something even if it turns out the danger is supernatural and not just a run-of-the-mill serial killer.
 
I enjoyed V/H/S so naturally I had to see the second and I didn't like the new one nowhere near as much as the first. My review has spoilers.
First tape is probably the worst one of both films, The fact he never thinks to leave his house followed by how random the girl was made it too bad to take serious. Second was a lot better, seeing the world from the view of a zombie made it creepy but not so much scary. Third was by far the best, if you are religious like me then it makes it all the more scary. Fourth was horrible, bad lighting, too much random noises. The aliens just wasn't scary. I give V/H/S 2 a 2/5 were I gave the first V/H/S a 4/5. If there is a V/H/S 3 I hope they look at the tapes that were well liked and the tapes people didn't care for and learn and build from it.
 
You can fix the main character doing the sensible thing by having your monster follow him/her. If only in their mind. Like their one encounter with the beast was traumatic enough that it left a permanent impression. Maybe the beast or its actions brought the protagonist back to a dark time in his/her life. Dredged up unpleasant memories. Then a gotcha in the 3rd act where the monster actually gets the protagonist.
 
Yeah, I don't think that sounds much better than what we got...

It might not improve the quality of the movie as a whole, but it would certainly make Justin Long's character look like less of a moron.

Honestly, I cheered when The Creeper got him in the end. That means his character won't be able to breed and create a bunch of little morons. There's a reason it's called The Darwin Awards.
 
My favorite genre of horror is the one I grew up on:the 80's. In the 80's we saw the birth of franchises for Nightmare on Elm Street,Friday the 13th,Evil Dead,Hellraiser,Predator,Pumpkinhead,The Lost Boys,Fright Night and Creepshow. Maybe I'm biased,but the late 70's and the 80's were the best in horror since the 1930's. Alot of great,scary and original concepts were born,as well as some classic icons(Freddy and Jason). Good or bad,the 80's were also the decade of the sequels(my favorites being Elm Street 3 and Evil Dead 2).
For me,the 90's had some good films too,but it was mainly a dead time(no pun intended)for the genre. Ironically,the only film that ever scared the hell out of me,and one I consider to be an absolute classic was released in the 90's. That was Blair witch. Other than that,we had some cool ones like Se7en and Sleepy Hollow,but not much.
 
My favorite genre of horror is the one I grew up on:the 80's. In the 80's we saw the birth of franchises for Nightmare on Elm Street,Friday the 13th,Evil Dead,Hellraiser,Predator,Pumpkinhead,The Lost Boys,Fright Night and Creepshow. Maybe I'm biased,but the late 70's and the 80's were the best in horror since the 1930's. Alot of great,scary and original concepts were born,as well as some classic icons(Freddy and Jason). Good or bad,the 80's were also the decade of the sequels(my favorites being Elm Street 3 and Evil Dead 2).
For me,the 90's had some good films too,but it was mainly a dead time(no pun intended)for the genre. Ironically,the only film that ever scared the hell out of me,and one I consider to be an absolute classic was released in the 90's. That was Blair witch. Other than that,we had some cool ones like Se7en and Sleepy Hollow,but not much.

Technically, the 80's isn't a movie genre. However I do agree that the best horror movies all came out of the 80's, with the possible exceptions of Black Christmas, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Halloween.
 
Technically, the 80's isn't a movie genre. However I do agree that the best horror movies all came out of the 80's, with the possible exceptions of Black Christmas, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Halloween.
I like a lot of the 80's movies too but horror has such a rich history that I like watching a movie and then thinking about its time and place.

A movie like M must have been the Se7en of its day and if you watch the Hammer version of The Mummy you can see about 10 movies that pay respect to it by taking from it. From Return of the Living Dead to Halloween to the newer Mummy movies... they pretty much owe something to Hammers Mummy. Not even mentioning The Ninth Gate and The Reanimator.

I know its more scifi but can you imagine watching The Twilight Zone before a man walked on the moon? That's some pretty crazy stuff going on right there.

Even a movie like Jeepers Creepers sets its tone being horror but also fun and loose... so I took it as a fun and loose movie. Kids acting stupid didn't bother me so I rolled with it and enjoyed myself. I still kind of like it in a Blob kind of way.

A movie like 28 Days later is just totally different so dumbing that down and making it fun would ruin the movie. I would actually love to see most horror movies get away from the fast and fun vibe. Just go back to making some gritty horror movies and sometimes going simple works best. I don't need to know why Jason kills... I just need to know that he's out there, a threat and that he a badass.
 
You can fix the main character doing the sensible thing by having your monster follow him/her. If only in their mind. Like their one encounter with the beast was traumatic enough that it left a permanent impression. Maybe the beast or its actions brought the protagonist back to a dark time in his/her life. Dredged up unpleasant memories. Then a gotcha in the 3rd act where the monster actually gets the protagonist.
I'd love to see a few more movies where the monster actually does get teh protagonist! That's one of the things I loved about [blackout]Sinister.[/blackout]
 
If I could get a few more horror movies like The Conjuring, all will be right in the horror world. It was top notch IMHO
 
If I could get a few more horror movies like The Conjuring, all will be right in the horror world. It was top notch IMHO
I haven't seen it yet. Mostly because I'm so sick of the same old haunting stuff. Is it any different than everything else that has been coming out?
 
I like a lot of the 80's movies too but horror has such a rich history that I like watching a movie and then thinking about its time and place.

A movie like M must have been the Se7en of its day and if you watch the Hammer version of The Mummy you can see about 10 movies that pay respect to it by taking from it. From Return of the Living Dead to Halloween to the newer Mummy movies... they pretty much owe something to Hammers Mummy. Not even mentioning The Ninth Gate and The Reanimator.

I know its more scifi but can you imagine watching The Twilight Zone before a man walked on the moon? That's some pretty crazy stuff going on right there.

Even a movie like Jeepers Creepers sets its tone being horror but also fun and loose... so I took it as a fun and loose movie. Kids acting stupid didn't bother me so I rolled with it and enjoyed myself. I still kind of like it in a Blob kind of way.

A movie like 28 Days later is just totally different so dumbing that down and making it fun would ruin the movie. I would actually love to see most horror movies get away from the fast and fun vibe. Just go back to making some gritty horror movies and sometimes going simple works best. I don't need to know why Jason kills... I just need to know that he's out there, a threat and that he a badass.

Some very very good points. And for the most part I agree, or at least appreciate your point of view.
 
If I could get a few more horror movies like The Conjuring, all will be right in the horror world. It was top notch IMHO

I actually came back to this thread mostly to ask the general opinion of that. It looks good to me, and it has been getting good reviews. I may need to check it out.


On a side note... I have recently rewatched some of the Friday the 13th sequels (my horror movies of choice as a kid), and man, as much as I love them and have fun watching them, the ones I just recently watched (3-6) are really not scary at all, IMO. I guess that's why as a kid, even though they scared us a little, we always more enjoyed the funny ways he would kill people.
 
That's why I like 80s horror. It's too cheesy to be scary , but it is fun.
 
I actually came back to this thread mostly to ask the general opinion of that. It looks good to me, and it has been getting good reviews. I may need to check it out.


On a side note... I have recently rewatched some of the Friday the 13th sequels (my horror movies of choice as a kid), and man, as much as I love them and have fun watching them, the ones I just recently watched (3-6) are really not scary at all, IMO. I guess that's why as a kid, even though they scared us a little, we always more enjoyed the funny ways he would kill people.


First of all, all of the Friday The 13th movies after Part 3 are the least scary in the series. Secondly, as is the problem with all horror films, when you watch them more than once they're not nearly as frightening the subsequent times as they were the first time you watched them. I can watch Friday The 13th (1980) and John Carpenter's Halloween (1978) and remember why I found them so scary, but they won't scare me anew. It's like watching a stand up comedian doing the same routine over and over again. Sooner or later, it just gets old.

A lot of the newer horror films fail to scare me, not because I've seen them so many damn times, but because they're so painfully predictable and often lack any suspense.

This is why I enjoy watching older horror films with people who have never seen them before. It allows me to enjoy the scares vicariously through their reactions.
 
This is why I enjoy watching older horror films with people who have never seen them before. It allows me to enjoy the scares vicariously through their reactions.

That's why I like seeing a horror movie in a packed theater. I don't get scared by horror anymore, but witnessing others get terrified is fun.
 
Would you guys consider Shutter Island to be a part of the Horror genre?
 
Shutter Island is more of a thriller IMO. It's got some horror tropes in it, but I think of it more as a thriller.
 
That's why I like seeing a horror movie in a packed theater. I don't get scared by horror anymore, but witnessing others get terrified is fun.

:up:

I occasionally jump during a scene in a newer horror film every now and then. Believe it or not, Michael Bay's remakes of TCM & ANOES had some jump worthy moments. But it's very rare that a movie gives me that all around feeling of dread.

I do get that occasionally while watching older horror films. After watching John Carpenter's Halloween alone in the dark, I sometimes get that "I'm being watched" feeling.

And to get me in the mood to write my "Buffy vs Jason" fan fic, I watched a bunch of Friday The 13ths back to back. Then after several hours of writing I had a hard time sleeping because every time I closed my eyes I'd hear "ki-ki-ki-ki ma-ma-ma-ma". I guess I must be a pretty good writer if I can freak myself out with my own story, lol!
 
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