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I just watched The Conjuring last night. A pretty good haunted house movie. There were a few scenes that made me jump, which is a rare thing nowadays. It wasn't great, but it was certainly good.

My biggest problem with it is their using Witchcraft as being synonimous with Satanism. As a practicing witch, I find this very insulting. No true witch would do what that evil spirit did in life, unless she were certifiably insane. But that would be her insanity that made her do such heinous acts, not Witchcraft. The first and most important rule in Witchcraft is "Do no harm".

Other than that, I give the movie a 6/10.
 
So I just watched The Keep which is one of Michael Mann's earlier films. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, I realize there are flaws but it's definitely worth watching. I was surprised to see Ian McKellen, which it makes it even more awesome! Gabriel Byrne is also in this film, everyone did a terrific job.

Love this scene;

I am...from you.
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Scene from Michael Mann's 1983 "The Keep".
 
I saw the Hatchet films today. I liked them both but thought the first was better. I was surprised at how well they pushed the comedy without it being blatant.
 
I thought I read somewhere that You're Next is a comedy as well, something like Scream? It's a horror movie, but it has humor in it, but it's still primarily horror. Maybe I read wrong.
 
I thought I read somewhere that You're Next is a comedy as well, something like Scream? It's a horror movie, but it has humor in it, but it's still primarily horror. Maybe I read wrong.
If it is, that trailer I saw tonight did not show one hint of it.
 
I thought I read somewhere that You're Next is a comedy as well, something like Scream? It's a horror movie, but it has humor in it, but it's still primarily horror. Maybe I read wrong.

Before the invasion it is supposedly played like a comedy but it is a full blown horror film.

It looks good but taking so long to release.
 
I saw the Hatchet films today. I liked them both but thought the first was better. I was surprised at how well they pushed the comedy without it being blatant.

I like the Hatchet films as well. They kind of fall under the category "so bad they're fun". I definitely enjoyed watching them.

I think the third film is being released on DVD next week, so I'll be picking that up, too.
 
Yeah given the great reviews I've seen over the years, I don't know why Lionsgate sat on You're Next for so long.

I'l be seeing it tonight after snagging some free tickets at a horror con last weekend.
 
I'm not a big horror fan. I did just watch the Evil Dead remake which I thought was quite good for the genre and as a remake. I do kind of like horror comedies, like Shaun of the Dead, House, and Leprechaun 2&3

There's a few classics I did enjoy:

Hellraiser 1&2
Nightmare on Elm Street 1&3
The Omen

The Exorcist had a weak story but was damn creepy. All-time favorite is The Mist. Darabont is such a good director and visionary.
 
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I initially misread that as Leprechaun 23 and it didn't phase me. That series has so ridiculously churned out sequels.
 
So I just watched The Legend of Hell House, it's been years since I last saw it. I really enjoyed it, can you guys recommend to me other good old fashioned haunted house movies?
 
I just watched The Conjuring last night. A pretty good haunted house movie. There were a few scenes that made me jump, which is a rare thing nowadays. It wasn't great, but it was certainly good.

My biggest problem with it is their using Witchcraft as being synonimous with Satanism. As a practicing witch, I find this very insulting. No true witch would do what that evil spirit did in life, unless she were certifiably insane. But that would be her insanity that made her do such heinous acts, not Witchcraft. The first and most important rule in Witchcraft is "Do no harm".

Other than that, I give the movie a 6/10.
I'm really starting to hate all of these haunt movies. To a degree I think they're ruining the genre. The cheap jump scares and kids with powder on their faces do nothing for me.
 
So I just watched The Keep which is one of Michael Mann's earlier films. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, I realize there are flaws but it's definitely worth watching. I was surprised to see Ian McKellen, which it makes it even more awesome! Gabriel Byrne is also in this film, everyone did a terrific job.

Love this scene;

I am...from you.
[YT]KAVjEURN0JU[/YT]
Scene from Michael Mann's 1983 "The Keep".

That movie scared the crap out of me when I was a kid. I ended up reading the book a number of years later and can't watch that film anymore. I'm not the type of person that constantly brings up the whole "the book is always better than the movie", but around the second act(or maybe the third, it's been awhile)the movie goes down hill. I didn't care for the look of Molasar and they cut out soooo much footage that I pray one day they will give Mann his Director's Cut. I think his cut was well over 2 hours.
 
I would love to see the Director's Cut, I doubt it will get released though. How would you feel about a remake? Or rather, another interpretation of the book?
 
I like the Hatchet films as well. They kind of fall under the category "so bad they're fun". I definitely enjoyed watching them.

I think the third film is being released on DVD next week, so I'll be picking that up, too.

i liked the first Hatchet. i barely made it through the second. i'm hopeful for the third. there just seemed to be a drop in quality for the second. for me, the change of actresses kind of took me out of it. i know she's a "scream queen" in her own right. but i'm just not that big a fan of Danielle Harris. the recast was strange to me.
 
I'm about to watch 'Magic Magic'

I'll let y'all know what I think.

i think it's going to be hard to view Michael Cera as anything other than a creepy villain, after this one.
 
I flat out loved the first 10-15 mins of the remake. I really think its some of the best moments of any of the 13th movies. I remember people going nuts when Jason came running up swinging the machete and then cut to the breathing. I also really like baghead Jason. I wish they would have found a way to go between the sack and the hockey mask instead of one or the other.

I thought the rest of the movie was OK but kind of hollow. I would rather of seen Clay pull out news paper clippings and go into Jasons past like charaters from Part 2 and The Final Chapter. Hints about the family instead of anything close to a prequel.

I really didn't like the idea of homes around the lake and the older lady knowing about Jason. You kind of lose that isolated feeling. Also gotta say that I hated the ending.

the ending was typical of today's horror movies. there's always that moment where they try to have the final girl (or guy) say something "badass" while she takes out the villain. i know what you mean about isolation but they still let Jason have his own territory in the woods. the old lady might have confused Jason with Leatherface.

my favorite part (besides the opening) was the lake attack.
 
i think it's going to be hard to view Michael Cera as anything other than a creepy villain, after this one.

Excellently done film with great acting and a meh ending.

Still worth watching. George Michael was great.
 
I would love to see the Director's Cut, I doubt it will get released though. How would you feel about a remake? Or rather, another interpretation of the book?

I wouldn't mind another adaptation of the book to be honest. The problem is that I really liked the cast of Mann's film. Especially Jurgen Prochnow and Gabriel Byrne. It's one of those movies that I'll try to watch again at some point in the future just for the cast.

Author F. Paul Wilson was so unhappy with the film, a few years ago he worked on a 5 issue comic for The Keep. While it obviously cuts out quite a bit because it's only 5 issues long, but was still fairly good. I recommend the actual novel of course.

This was F. Paul Wilson's Forward in the tbp/graphic novel version I bought. I put it in spoilers so it won't take up too much space in the thread.

If you're interested here's a link to the novel and the graphic novel.

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-F-Paul-W...UTF8&qid=1376022649&sr=1-11&keywords=The+Keep

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-F-Paul-W...=UTF8&qid=1376020915&sr=1-6&keywords=The+Keep

If not for a bad movie, I might have let someone else do this.

I've been asked why, after all these years, I'd return to my first bestseller to shoulder the task of hammering it into a script for a graphic novel. The sentiment---if somebody wants to adapt it---great. But let them do the work.

Why indeed devote time and effort to playing with your old fiction when you've got people waiting for something new?
As I said---the movie.

I'm not sure how many of you are aware that back in the 1980's, Paramount Pictures released a film version of The Keep written and directed by Michael Mann. It resembled my novel in name only.

Since I no longer get crazy whenever it's mentioned, I feel safe saying a few words about it now.

A novel needs to be changed when it moves to the screen, I know that. It's a visual medium, no inner monologues--what you get is what you see. Subplots have to go, characters must be combined. But when you've got a novel that is an international bestseller, you should be smart enough to realize that it must have something going for it. You don't rip out it's heart and display a hollow carcass.

The film, released in December of 1983, was a critical and commercial disaster---half-star and one-star ratings, with headers like, "You can keep The Keep" and "Keep away from The Keep".

I remember the last line of Jeffrey Lyons' review on TV: "It could have been wonderful."

And that's the real heartbreak of the film: All the ingredients were there for a classic---great cast, great set designer, a special effects wizard, truly, it could have been, should have been wonderful.

It's almost impossible to explain what it was like as the author to sit through the first half-hour of that film and watch all the things I had envisioned in the book play out in color; equally impossible to describe watching the whole thing start to crack and fall apart, a very bitter experience.

The film is all but forgotten---Mann never seems to mention it when talking about his past work. I've heard rumors that he's holding up release of the DVD(which is fine with me). But as a novel, The Keep remains untouched, never out of print since it was published in 1981. Consider this a sort of twenty-fifth anniversary edition.

I must confess, the film did help sell some books---the few people who saw it were so confused they went out and bought the novel to see what the hell was going on.
Back to the question: Why did I script the graphic novel?

Because I consider this visual presentation of The Keep my version of the movie. What could have been...what should have been.

But I have to admit, the adaptation was an eye-opening experience. I better appreciate the difficulty of compressing the events of this novel into pictures with words. I mean, there's a lot going on. For the first time in almost a quarter century, I have a little sympathy for Michael Mann's predicament. A little. (Let's not get crazy here.)

You can still find the film online and in some video stores. If you're feeling brave, watch it after finishing the graphic novel. See which version you prefer.

You decide. My work here is done.

I know she's a "scream queen" in her own right. but i'm just not that big a fan of Danielle Harris. the recast was strange to me.

Neither am I...because she's a terrible actress. T&A and that's about it.
 
I saw the film You're Next tonight at a pre-screening in St. Louis. I was excited to see the movie, knowing it by the reputation it garnered at film festivals back in 2011. Lionsgate has been sitting on it ever since for some unknown reason. I had heard the film was great.

Having finally gotten to see it I will agree that it is pretty damn good. The few trailers that I have seen floating around really undersell this movie by focusing on the barest plot description: THIS IS A HOME INVASION MOVIE WITH ANIMAL MASKS!

This ad campaign really does the film a great disservice. Superficially it is a pretty standard home invasion premise, but the various other elements that make up the film make it notable and enjoyable.

The first is the cast of characters. The film is centered around an affluent family that is coming together for the first time in a long while, the grown children bringing along their respective significant others to meet the family for the first time. The film does a good job of setting up the tensions at play in this gathering. The situation feels quite relatable and much humor is wrung out of the interplay between these characters. This film features one of the more memorable characters in a horror film that I've seen in a number of years.

That's another thing: There is quite a bit of humor at play in this film. I wouldn't say it moves into the "horror comedy" genre necessarily but there is quite a bit to laugh at, again just from the family situation. Much of the humor is dialog based and later there is quite a bit of black humor. If I had to compare it to anything it would be some of the dialogue and arguments from In Bruges.

What I think is really off base are the reports trying to compare this film to Scream. While there is humor, there is nothing really knowing or meta about it. The characters aren't directly mentioning or mocking tropes. Instead, this is the rare horror film that features some characters that are actually competent, that actually do the things an audience may yell at the screen, wishing the characters would do. While we often find ourselves watching horror films for the sake of seeing the cast get picked off, this film makes it so gratifying for the protagonists to try and fight back.

And damn, if you are attracted to the film for the violence, this film delivers. It can be extremely graphic, but the film was made with a deft hand that knows just when to cut away so as to not dilute the impact. The animal masked killers don't garner scares or build tension by just sneaking around in the background (though they do this early on) Nor are there a bunch of ridiculous forced in jump scare like in this year's The Purge. Instead, when these killers attack, the tension is built by just how intense and direct these attacks are. The film makes good use of sound to really sell the power behind the cross bow bolts that crash through windows and doors and skulls. The attackers come in for direct attacks axes and machetes. There are many moments that border on gratuitous but somehow gratifying and that garnered applause from the audience tonight. There are some very memorable moments indeed.

Overall, while I wouldn't want to oversell this movie and treat it like the second coming of the horror genre or something as it's reputation has grown in the blogosphere echo-chamber, I really enjoyed this film. It is a surprisingly character focused, often humorous and hard hitting film that really shows that the filmmakers know the value of good setup and even better pay off 8/10.
 
In the middle of watching Would You Rather?

It's basically mindless torture porn. A rich guy gets a bunch of people together who need money and make them do torture porny stuff to each other to determine who wins a large cash prize. Only one of the contestants is given any back story or depth (aside from, "this woman rarely talks"...and then she barely shuts up for the rest of the film). And I kept wondering...why don't they just jump through those large windows to try to escape? And why is it that this game has been going on for years and no one has ever told anyone where they were going? I know that torture porn isn't really meant to be "enjoyed," but I prefer to be mentally or emotionally stimulated by a film rather than just watch a group of blank slate characters torture themselves.
 
I'm really starting to hate all of these haunt movies. To a degree I think they're ruining the genre. The cheap jump scares and kids with powder on their faces do nothing for me.

Haunted house/ghost spirit/jump scares are a staple of the horror genre and have been around for centuries in everything from television, films, comics, books and folktales. I'm not sure how its ruining the genre :huh:
 
Not to mention The Conjuring doesn't just rest on jump scares the whole time. It continually ramps up up the intensity throughout.
 
I mentioned The Mist as my favorite. What did you guys think of it?
 
I mentioned The Mist as my favorite. What did you guys think of it?

I find it excellent in Black and White like it is supposed to be watched. Color was a little blah. The film is great.
 
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