The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Judson Caspian]

So, will CGI be improved at all before the movie release?

 

[DoctorJones]

Yup, none of the shots are finished, as good as most of them are though.

 

[Phantom Bear]

Just put the trailer on an SD card and watched it on a larger screen in HD. Absolutely amazing, Abomination is just a supreme piece of CG in the close up. If the shots are to be improved then this is going to be something special in the cinema.

 

[SuperBoon]

So, will CGI be improved at all before the movie release?

Well, the Director is saying the CGI is not complete, I think there's a link to the article somewhere in one of the threads (empire online interview?). I posed a question on the previous page about what type of changes are going to be made, because saying 'the CGI is a work in progress' is a bit general, maybe one of the guy's 'in the know' has an answer?? That said, I'm sure the changes/improvements they're going to make are going to be subtle/minor?

 

[Tyrinus]

On the subject of strength and looks...I don't recall ever seeing a guy in one of those strong man competitions being ripped, they were all proportioned differently and big. Not even olympic lifters are usually 'ripped', yet their strength is greater. 'Ripped' does not equate strength. Ang Lee's Hulk had that bulkiness that goes with being truly strong to me.

 

[Judson Caspian]

The first thing I'm thinking while looking at the Hulk and The Abomination isn't that it looks bad. It just could've been better. Because King Kong looks way more real and advanced and that film is 3 years old.

 

[dark_b]

Yup, none of the shots are finished, as good as most of them are though.

aha so every CGI shot in the trailer is not finished. but some shots are already finished?

 

[Marvin]

Wow, thanks for the images Marvin.

The first one is especially telling. The one of the Hulk in the trailer looks much better than that shot and its not even finished.

no problem

i just think that all the problems we see the professionals working on the film see
it's just that they're in the position to fix it
and they know how to fix it

so saying anything now needs to be said in the right context

(they may not have the time tho)

that being said, it sucks ILM isn't working on this...

and i hate the idea of the final battle being at night(if that's what happens)

take the final transformers fight and stage it at night
it would look weak

damn damn damn

 

[EternalMaster]

On the subject of strength and looks...I don't recall ever seeing a guy in one of those strong man competitions being ripped, they were all proportioned differently and big. Not even olympic lifters are usually 'ripped', yet their strength is greater. 'Ripped' does not equate strength. Ang Lee's Hulk had that bulkiness that goes with being truly strong to me.

Usually "ripped" comes from body builders.

Still, most people equate that look with strength.

Over the years, various artists have interpretted Hulk's look as being "ripped". There are some who make him look more a bulky block of human kinda like what you're describing... a big guy without having a 6-pack and crazy veins.

Still, the "ripped" look is very common in comics.

http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061002/15509__page2_l.jpg
http://fpnyc.com/weeklyplanet/images/wwhulk.jpg
http://www.earth2comics.net/images/hulk2comics_welcome.jpg
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1445/172527-juggernaut_400.png

Here are some examples of big and bulky without being ripped.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/j_1d/juggernaut1.gif
http://static.flickr.com/36/75979417_842f7b6efc_o.jpg
http://comicbookculture.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/thor003.jpg

I think both ways are legit.

 

[terry78]

 

[dark_b]

i think they add veins so that it doesnt look to empty.

 

[lujho]

On the subject of strength and looks...I don't recall ever seeing a guy in one of those strong man competitions being ripped, they were all proportioned differently and big. Not even olympic lifters are usually 'ripped', yet their strength is greater. 'Ripped' does not equate strength. Ang Lee's Hulk had that bulkiness that goes with being truly strong to me.

Yeah. The only thing ripped means is no bodyfat, which has nothing to do with strength. Ripped is all about vanity, which is okay if it's a little bit, but on ridiculously ripped bodybuilders it's all about simply being able to see all those muscles, and goes beyong looking good and natural into the grotesque.

I definitely prefer the more natural musculature (or level of body fat, really) of Lee's Hulk.

Something in between the two would have worked too. But This new Hulk just looks disgusting and gross to me, as all similarly ripped bodybuilders do.

However, the face is definitely an improvement on Lee's version, which was not bad but hardly classic Hulk. (Actually, Lee's Hulk, being more normally human looking, was closer to TV Hulk than Jack Kirby).

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I didn't say expressing your opinion is pointless. I said arguing repeatedly over each others' opinions is pointless. Especially when it comes to something subjective like taste. The example you just posted is something you would expect in a conversation between children. I've definitely never heard anything like that in an adult conversation.

Wow, then you must live in a cave with no adults.

You've never heard two adults argue over which football team is better?
You've never watched Ebert and Roeper when they disagree, one saying that a new movie's tone was spot on and the other saying it was a train wreck?
You've obviously never heard adults on a radio call-in talk show.
And, I guess you've never heard a Republican and a Democrat arguing over what the best course is for the nation, nor have you heard many political debates.
And, all you have to do is go to the Community section right here on the Hype to find hundreds of adults having almost that exact conversation about things as completely trivial and subjective as what foods they like.

Some adult makes a thread about how much he loves Mountain Dew.
Someone else high fives him and says "I'm drinking a 2 liter bottle right now! w00t!!"
And then someone else says " It's sugar water! It's too sweet. You're sick and your teeth are going to melt away!"

I'd really have to guess that you don't know any adults if you think adults don't support their opinions, and then dispute those supports as well as simply expressing the opinions.
Why, I'm 36 years old and that's the very reason I joined the Hype, because talking about differing opinions and the validity of those opinions is a fun way to pass the time while I'm at work.


And, lol, again, in my opinion, talking about the reasons behind these differences is fun, can be fascinating, can even be illuminating and mind-changing (for instance, in religious debates, I have actually gotten an Atheist to change his mind and now he's an Agnostic. I've also gotten people to think twice about Christianity because they "never thought about it that way before"), and you're saying that, no, it's all pointless...

...so, you're doing the very thing that you're complaining about, which is thilly.

 

[Judson Caspian]

Yup, none of the shots are finished, as good as most of them are though.

Then why release a trailer with unfinished CGI? I don't get it. I'd rather wait for a trailer with everything at 100%.

 

[Savage]

But then you'd be waiting until like less than a month before release.

 

[SuperBoon]

Then why release a trailer with unfinished CGI? I don't get it. I'd rather wait for a trailer with everything at 100%.

You're not the only one! It almost seems like covering your behind if the public doesn't like it, and again when people say 'unfinished' what parts of the CG are we talking about?

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Wow, then you must live in a cave with no adults.

That was unnecessary. And I'm pretty sure you did that deliberately. So...

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

You're not the only one! It almost seems like covering your behind if the public doesn't like it, and again when people say 'unfinished' what parts of the CG are we talking about?

Here's the answer:

But then you'd be waiting until like less than a month before release.

 

[SuperBoon]

But then you'd be waiting until like less than a month before release.

But, in fairness, its a 20-30 second sequence in a trailer, surely that should be perfect before released, I could understand if it was a 10 minute, or so, shot.

 

[Kirmit]

Then why release a trailer with unfinished CGI? I don't get it. I'd rather wait for a trailer with everything at 100%.

Have you not heard the fans around here? You might rather wait but most people were biting at the bit for a trailer, the director was under pressure to show something and tbh what was shown really isn't bad, just not 100% finished.

 

[Judson Caspian]

But then you'd be waiting until like less than a month before release.

If it means I'll get the finished product, I really don't give a sh-t.

SuperBoon: That's a good question. What parts?

 

[Savage]

But, in fairness, its a 20-30 second sequence in a trailer, surely that should be perfect before released, I could understand if it was a 10 minute or shot.

The thing is it's not one company working on shot after shot. It's different teams in the company with different tasks. One team may be doing the end sequence at the same time that another team is working on another scene entirely. And it is a continuous process until it's editing time. People want to see a trailer though so this is what they have right now.

 

[Savage]

If it means I'll get the finished product, I really don't give a sh-t.

SuperBoon: That's a good question. What parts?

Yeah but that's not enough to really build hype. Look at movies like Iron Man and the first Spider-man that got head starts. It's hard for me to find a person that DOESN'T know about Iron Man and isn't excited.

 

[SuperBoon]

People want to see a trailer though so this is what they have right now.

Fair comment!

 

[Advanced Dark]

...and again when people say 'unfinished' what parts of the CG are we talking about?

All parts except the exclusive close up of the Hulk in the trailer attached to Doomsday in theatres. Otherwise there are no other final vfx in the trailer online at all. That doesn't mean a few parts of it are not closer than others.