The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Nivek]

You can see tiny ears in the HD trailer. Or nubs, or something along those lines.

 

[The Joker_1000]

As much as I hate to admit it, it's possible we won't even get to see the Abomination in future sequels which will suck.

 

[HoratioRome]

well here is my take on the whole CGI issue for this movie.
I should start by saying that I am desperate for htis movie to be good. I need it to be awesome and to do well at the box office because I would love the idea that these movies can be retconned. This would give me hope for DD, Punisher and yes the X-men. I am convinced that any of these movies would be much more successful if/when they are done right. (which in my book means staying close to the source material).

You may have guessed already that I hated the 03 Hulk movie. hated it.


having said that, objectivity is also very important to me. Objectively, Seeing the 08 trailer leaves me dissapointed and worried. since this is the CGI/visual thread I will only talk about that aspect of the trailer.

I've looked at the trailer carefully and even before we see the Hulk the visual effects don't look that great. The Helicopter scene for example comes off as fake. I do not belive for a second that they were actually in a Helicopter up in the air. the foreground and the background were disconnected in that obvious almost TV quality way.
the fall from the helicopter also looked blatantly CGIish.
now to the Hulk. I hate to say this but the first shot of the Hulk looked extremely CGI. the shot of his back coming out of the ground had a glow to it reminiscent of video game quality FX.
the frontal view bothered me the most. though the glow was gone,...at first he just looked weird to me. I couldn't place my finger on it.

then I realized what was wrong. the texture of his skin (which many seem to be praising) is all wrong. My friend described it best in that it looks like a WIP (work in progress). this is a term used for sculpting figurines. it describes a piece that is still rough and incomplete.

This Hulks bery much looks tha way to me. As if it needs to be smoothed out. After all, The Hulk's skin isn't supposed to be abnormal in anyway, it looks the same as human skin, only green. This doesn't look anything like human skin.

I realize that some are happy with the many little muscles look,..but unfortunately the Hulk doesn't really have that look either.

The only 2 things that please me just a bit about the visuals of that trailer were the shot of him running from behind, and the leap towards Abomination.

As for comparison bet/ 03 and 08 Though I hated the 03 Hulk,, the one thing that I was completely happy with was the look and movement of the Hulk. He would have been perfect if he was not made to be 15 feet tall . But everything else about the Hulk himself IMHO was great.
as for the 08,..the only thing I like better about it is that the design more closely resembles the Sal Buscema version of the Hulk, Which IMO is the definitive look of the Hulk.


I truly, really hope they smooth out the CGI and make the Hulk look much better.

 

[Nivek]

then I realized what was wrong. the texture of his skin (which many seem to be praising) is all wrong. My friend described it best in that it looks like a WIP (work in progress). this is a term used for sculpting figurines in clay (actually not clay but,...)
it looks like it isn't quite finished, that it needs to be smoothed out. The Hulk's skin isn't supposed to be abnormal in anyway, it looks the same as human skin only green. This doesn't look anything like human skin.
I realize that some are happy with the many little muscles look,..but unfortunately the Hulk doesn't really have that look either (except when done a a certain artist).

As a sculptor myself, I'm a bit confused by this. The skin texture was perfect, I dont understand why you think it looks heavy/rough?

The new Hulk has more of a strained texture, like a juiced oiled up body builders skin. Hulk 2003 had more of a powerlifter build. Please elaborate.

 

[The Joker_1000]

He probably meant the Hulk himself looked heavy. They did end up making him weigh in at over 3,000 pounds. I prefer the look of the new Hulk though because looks more ripped.

 

[Nivek]

No, he was referring to the skin texture itself. Not the definition.

 

[ArtTeacher]

you were saying for weeks or months that the reason they are waiting with the trailer is because they are finishing the effect.s you said that the effects will be finished. when it came out you were saying day for day that they are UNFINISHED.

where is here the respect?

You must hate weathermen.

Thursday:
Bob: "Hey Sue, my dad will be here on Saturday."
*on Friday, Bob's dad dies*
Saturday:
Sue: "Bob, where's your dad?"
Bob: "He passed away."
Sue: "Bob you filthy sack of excrement. You lied to me! I hate you! You're pathetic! You said he would be here!! You liar!!!!!"

Another typical day at the 'Hype...

 

[The Joker_1000]

No, he was referring to the skin texture itself. Not the definition.

The skin and texture itself was fine. There were only a few instances in which the skin appeared to be too green or better yet, the green appeared too light. With this new Hulk, the olive green color is perfect.

 

[ArtTeacher]

then it already failed. because the skin doesnt look like human skin.

....wAAAAAAit a minute...!!!

The Hulk's bullet-proof, heat-proof, freeze-proof skin doesn't look just like human skin?

Those bastards.

Disagree on the eyes. Plenty of characters have been put on film with overly bright or glowing eyes, that isn't a problem. Skin? Atm, I'd agree with that: It does need to be better.

Overall though, I think the model design (facial features and body structure) is better this time round. Final rendering remains to be seen.

This is a sane argument.
I agree.

 

[The Joker_1000]

We should get some new pics soon that'll confirm how good the final rendering looks.

 

[FrostBite]

As a sculptor myself, I'm a bit confused by this. The skin texture was perfect, I dont understand why you think it looks heavy/rough?

The new Hulk has more of a strained texture, like a juiced oiled up body builders skin. Hulk 2003 had more of a powerlifter build. Please elaborate.

I think he just thinks 08's Hulks skin looks "off" which other people have expressed that same sentiment.

To me, CGI Skin will not anytime soon ever look real to me. Metal? Great. Fur? Getting there. Skin? always fake looking to me.

 

[dark_b]

when it comes to skin its all about the glow and the SSS.

SSS = sub surface scatering.

our skin has a shine on it. it reflects the white part of the light. but it is not shiny like metal,plastic. it very small and very dark. but it is there.

it needs to be subtle.

they can get there but they have to try.

 

[HULKFish]

OK, just threw this together real quick... The top images are both HD and bottom are both concepts.

 

[Nivek]

I think he just thinks 08's Hulks skin looks "off" which other people have expressed that same sentiment.

To me, CGI Skin will not anytime soon ever look real to me. Metal? Great. Fur? Getting there. Skin? always fake looking to me.

Well, any current real time make-up or animatronic will have the same "fake" look to it though. When it comes to replicating Human flesh and skin, even the best special effects artist and the most life-like silicone skin with all the flocking, intrinsic paintwork, punched hair, will not look realistic to a typical know-it-all special effects critic. If it's not real, and they know it, they will call it fake. It's a no win situation.

 

[Nivek]

when it comes to skin its all about the glow and the SSS.

SSS = sub surface scatering.

our skin has a shine on it. it reflects the white part of the light. but it is not shiny like metal,plastic. it very small and very dark. but it is there.

it needs to be subtle.

they can get there but they have to try.

Just read up on that, eh?

Good to see your looking into it, why dont you try out a demo of some quality graphics rendering programs so you can get a full taste for doing that?

 

[dark_b]

Just read up on that, eh?

Good to see your looking into it, why dont you try out a demo of some quality graphics rendering programs so you can get a full taste for doing that?

haha dark_b is trying to be a smartass when it comes to CGI. he is using google

 

[Nivek]

If you try to do it, you get a new respect for it. I used to always rag on CG effects, concidering my background in make-up, I never wanted to admit CG could be better. But it is in some applications. Something like Hulk, that has to be CG.

 

[Sarg92]

You can see tiny ears in the HD trailer. Or nubs, or something along those lines.

Oh yeah, just noticed them. Flat ears. You can barely notice them in motion so it is like he has no ears.

As much as I hate to admit it, it's possible we won't even get to see the Abomination in future sequels which will suck.

But think of Hulk battling an army of like 20+ very large powerful mandroids created by the Leader.

 

[dark_b]

i am playing with this stuff and demo software for months now. i am almost every week reading the the cgsociety forum

 

[The Joker_1000]

Oh yeah, just noticed them. Flat ears. You can barely notice them in motion so it is like he has no ears.



But think of Hulk battling an army of like 20+ very large powerful mandroids created by the Leader.

That would be just as good. However, I'd like to see the Leader teaming up with his brother Phil Sterns aka Madman.

Btw, anyone know where I can watch episodes of the 1996 animated series?

 

[Sarg92]

If people wanna do a fair comparision then I think mine is quite fair. But still remember TIH is unfinsihed CGI.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK

HULK

 

[The Joker_1000]

Nice comparison but I think the look of TIH just looks so much better than what we got in 2003.

 

[FrostBite]

Hm... maybe it's just my browser but the TIH gif is just like cutting out like -still picture- -white for 30 seconds- -still picture- -white-

 

[Sarg92]

Just wait for a bit. It is loading. Or try a different browser if ya want.

 

[Scooter]

If people wanna do a fair comparision then I think mine is quite fair. But still remember TIH is unfinsihed CGI.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK

HULK

Nice job on the comparison. The shot of '03 Hulk bursting free of the water tank and roaring may also provide a similar effect. In any event, comparable effects for both; superior design back in '03.