The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Kirmit]

Hulk looks on line with Gollum right now rendering wise.

Not flawless, but hey, given opinions nothing really is.

I know I'm certainly not in the minority here but I never thought Gollum was as great as people made out, I thought Ang's hulk looked better aside from the colour.

 

[Sarg92]

I know I'm certainly not in the minority here but I never thought Gollum was as great as people made out, I thought Ang's hulk looked better aside from the colour.

I'm with you on that one.

 

[Doc Samson]

Hulk bled in Ang's movie?

When the House blows up in the desert scene, you can see his wound is red briefly before it heals up

 

[Godman]

I know I'm certainly not in the minority here but I never thought Gollum was as great as people made out, I thought Ang's hulk looked better aside from the colour.

I disagree. Hulks color was horrible and with better textured skin He would definitely have looked better than Gollum. Gollum was great for his realm but Hulk not do for his. The best guy to have made a great Hulk movie would have been Burton with Depp as the lead. It would have been AMAZING. Burton's visual style would have allowed for CG to fit into a certain outlandish world and it wouldn't have bothered us, but as for current unstyalized directing it just doesn't work. It's why Cg worked in 300, some what in LOTR, Star Wars to an extent and Hellboy. Guilermo Del Toro is VERY visual like Burton and the only ones who use CG and special effect creatures effectively. Hulk just stands out and it's not in a good way.

 

[Godman]

When the House blows up in the desert scene, you can see his wound is red briefly before it heals up

Yea that was the best technical scene in the movie where Hulk actually looked good.

 

[FrostBite]

The best guy to have made a great Hulk movie would have been Burton with Depp as the lead.

Oh god no. The Burton / Depp Duo needs to stop. I realize he's Burton's golden boy but I am certainly sick of it.

Not only that, but sadly Burton's novelty style is sadly running thin with me as of late, it used to be new, refreshing and fun... now? Not so much.

 

[Godman]

Oh god no. The Burton / Depp Duo needs to stop. I realize he's Burton's golden boy but I am certainly sick of it.

Not only that, but sadly Burton's novelty style is sadly running thin with me as of late, it used to be new, refreshing and fun... now? Not so much.

It's better than 90% of what mainstream brings anyway.

I think Fincher would have been good too.

 

[FrostBite]

It's better than 90% of what mainstream brings anyway.

I think Fincher would have been good too.

To me Burton has become mainstream and very predictable. And for quite a good while now. Don't get me wrong, I am not telling you to not like what you do, I simply am saying that his style has run thin with me personally and I feel it is not fitting of Hulk.

I love his older films to death though, and I do personally feel he did fit ol' Bats to a tee.

 

[Snikt]

I think Hulk vs. Abomination scenes have looked amazing so far. They appear to the ones that are further along as far as finished shots. The part where the Hulk rips the car in half and growls is so cool.

With that said, I do believe the shot of Hulk jumping out of the overpass don't look mind-blowing or amazing, but I will reserve final judgment until the film comes out. But the campus scene looks like it will be awesome. I mean come on, we see the Hulk use pieces of jeeps for a frisbee to take out "d chopper".

And it seems like this Hulk will be a little more intelligent than Ang Lee's. When watching the trailer, you can really tell he's jumping to catch Abomination from harming Betty and the rest of the military crew. And the Hulk looks like he took Blonsky's challenge personally by punting him half way across the field.

I do remember Hulk saving Betty from the poodles in Ang's Hulk; but this time around he seems to have more personality from what I've seen in the trailers.

 

[Kirmit]

I think Hulk vs. Abomination scenes have looked amazing so far. They appear to the ones that are further along as far as finished shots. The part where the Hulk rips the car in half and growls is so cool.

With that said, I do believe the shot of Hulk jumping out of the overpass don't look mind-blowing or amazing, but I will reserve final judgment until the film comes out. But the campus scene looks like it will be awesome. I mean come on, we see the Hulk use pieces of jeeps for a frisbee to take out "d chopper".

And it seems like this Hulk will be a little more intelligent than Ang Lee's. When watching the trailer, you can really tell he's jumping to catch Abomination from harming Betty and the rest of the military crew. And the Hulk looks like he took Blonsky's challenge personally by punting him half way across the field.

I do remember Hulk saving Betty from the poodles in Ang's Hulk; but this time around he seems to have more personality from what I've seen in the trailers.

I disagree with this, from what we've seen so far. Ang's hulk was pretty intelligent, using the top of the tank to shield himself, jumping on the plane to stop it from hitting the bridge, spitting the missile head back at the helicopter. I'm sure the new hulk will be shown to be intelligent in the movie but I haven't seen it in the trailers yet.

 

[Godman]

To me Burton has become mainstream and very predictable. And for quite a good while now. Don't get me wrong, I am not telling you to not like what you do, I simply am saying that his style has run thin with me personally and I feel it is not fitting of Hulk.

I love his older films to death though, and I do personally feel he did fit ol' Bats to a tee.

Demon Barber is very unique as was Big Fish, corpse's bride and Willy Wonka was a very good movie for all kinds. That is why I feel he would have been ideal. He NEVER wastes characters in movies and with his campy antics...CG would fit perfect in his world, but so long as they try to make CG (never accomplished well) into a realistic scenario it just never will look good, because we ain't there yet

 

[FrostBite]

Demon Barber is very unique as was Big Fish, corpse's bride and Willy Wonka was a very good movie for all kinds. That is why I feel he would have been ideal. He NEVER wastes characters in movies and with his campy antics...CG would fit perfect in his world, but so long as they try to make CG (never accomplished well) into a realistic scenario it just never will look good, because we ain't there yet

Demon Barber, Willy Wonka, and Corpse Bride are actually the movies I refer to where he no longer interests me. But there will always be fans of certain directors, so don't let my knocking of him make you take offense, that's the last thing I'd want to do (attack someone else's tastes.)

While I love how CG looks in this film (and others do not agree.)

I will say that those others will agree that CG has worked well in real life settings time and time again. Does it always look flawless? Nope. Does it date itself? Yes, I'll give you that.

But for many others, including myself, CG has worked fine time and time again in a realistic setting and will continue to do so. But I will agree we are not at a point in time where it's going to trick anyone into believing it's "real" and if it does then they are certainly easily tricked.

 

[Snikt]

I disagree with this, from what we've seen so far. Ang's hulk was pretty intelligent, using the top of the tank to shield himself, jumping on the plane to stop it from hitting the bridge, spitting the missile head back at the helicopter. I'm sure the new hulk will be shown to be intelligent in the movie but I haven't seen it in the trailers yet.

Well, you got me there. I completely forgot about all that stuff. I haven't seen Ang's movie in awhile since I sold the DVD. But can you agree that maybe Hulk has more personality.

That quick scene between Hulk and Blonsky just seems to give off that sense that Hulk understood exactly what Blonsky was saying and took major offense to it.

 

[Sarg92]

I disagree with this, from what we've seen so far. Ang's hulk was pretty intelligent, using the top of the tank to shield himself, jumping on the plane to stop it from hitting the bridge, spitting the missile head back at the helicopter. I'm sure the new hulk will be shown to be intelligent in the movie but I haven't seen it in the trailers yet.

People that saw the footage at the New York Comic-Con said Hulk was shielding himself with those sheets of metal.

 

[Kirmit]

People that saw the footage at the New York Comic-Con said Hulk was shielding himself with those sheets of metal.

That's kool, I'm sure this hulk will use his intelligence as well as his braun, infact I'm 100% sure from reading the script but like I said I just haven't actually seen it yet.

 

[Kirmit]

Well, you got me there. I completely forgot about all that stuff. I haven't seen Ang's movie in awhile since I sold the DVD. But can you agree that maybe Hulk has more personality.

That quick scene between Hulk and Blonsky just seems to give off that sense that Hulk understood exactly what Blonsky was saying and took major offense to it.

Again I'm not sure. Ang's hulk seemed like he understood things alright, like where Banner's dad strokes his face and is talking to him, when he's just sitting there thinking before the helicopter battle and when he see's betty in the helicopter. I think his personality was shown perfectly, he was a gentle giant who just wanted to be left alone but was hounded by the military.

 

[Godman]

Demon Barber, Willy Wonka, and Corpse Bride are actually the movies I refer to where he no longer interests me. But there will always be fans of certain directors, so don't let my knocking of him make you take offense, that's the last thing I'd want to do (attack someone else's tastes.)

While I love how CG looks in this film (and others do not agree.)

I will say that those others will agree that CG has worked well in real life settings time and time again. Does it always look flawless? Nope. Does it date itself? Yes, I'll give you that.

But for many others, including myself, CG has worked fine time and time again in a realistic setting and will continue to do so. But I will agree we are not at a point in time where it's going to trick anyone into believing it's "real" and if it does then they are certainly easily tricked.

Honestly the only Cg that has ever worked is non humanoid characters. Every single movie that has tried to replicate our behavior have been garbage and disappointing as hell. I understand where you're coming from fully by saying they work in certain settings, but let me run down when it doesn't

Blade 2 - scene at spot lights was horrible
Spiderman (pick one) - what else can I say...
Lord Of The Rings - not one humanoid was convincing
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - Neo CG 100 smiths and all the flights were garbage.
Superman Returns - landing on krypton
Hulk - any scene with him and the new one looks worse
Xmen (pick one) - Oh god no...
Fantastic four 2 - richards dancing in the club...yuk!!

CG just isn't there yet and either they need to stop making scenes in the script that need CG humans or work on it endlessly without flaw till you get it RIGHT!!!! Reason Ang's Hulk was impressive for what they tried is because though Ang wasn't amazed by the Hulk when he saw it he made them redo it many times till we got even what we got.

It just doen't work and honestly Im appauled that Lord of the rings was a few years back and so was Hulk...why not a HUGE improvement??? Mechaniical things do GREAT. Transformers is the most impressive CGI so far hands down as for Humanoid?...King Kong is the closet thing to us that they got right but beyond that??? Can't call it

 

[Godman]

Again I'm not sure. Ang's hulk seemed like he understood things alright, like where Banner's dad strokes his face and is talking to him, when he's just sitting there thinking before the helicopter battle and when he see's betty in the helicopter. I think his personality was shown perfectly, he was a gentle giant who just wanted to be left alone but was hounded by the military.

Which is the Hulk I have always loved. Though it does beat the purpose of him being pure rage.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Honestly the only Cg that has ever worked is non humanoid characters. Every single movie that has tried to replicate our behavior have been garbage and disappointing as hell. I understand where you're coming from fully by saying they work in certain settings, but let me run down when it doesn't

Blade 2 - scene at spot lights was horrible
Spiderman (pick one) - what else can I say...
Lord Of The Rings - not one humanoid was convincing
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - Neo CG 100 smiths and all the flights were garbage.
Superman Returns - landing on krypton
Hulk - any scene with him and the new one looks worse
Xmen (pick one) - Oh god no...
Fantastic four 2 - richards dancing in the club...yuk!!

CG just isn't there yet and either they need to stop making scenes in the script that need CG humans or work on it endlessly without flaw till you get it RIGHT!!!! Reason Ang's Hulk was impressive for what they tried is because though Ang wasn't amazed by the Hulk when he saw it he made them redo it many times till we got even what we got.

It just doen't work and honestly Im appauled that Lord of the rings was a few years back and so was Hulk...why not a HUGE improvement??? Mechaniical things do GREAT. Transformers is the most impressive CGI so far hands down as for Humanoid?...King Kong is the closet thing to us that they got right but beyond that??? Can't call it

Which is why I can't understand for the life of me that people keep complaining knowing it realy cant be done on that level. Ang Lee's Hulk was very close and had they used a model like that and then detailed him like the new one it would have been near perfect. I say near perfect because we can not replicate a human thru cgi, period. I dont care what anyone says.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

To me Burton has become mainstream and very predictable. And for quite a good while now. Don't get me wrong, I am not telling you to not like what you do, I simply am saying that his style has run thin with me personally and I feel it is not fitting of Hulk.

I love his older films to death though, and I do personally feel he did fit ol' Bats to a tee.

Tim Burton is a terrible choice for any movie that is an adaptation, or just not his own creation

he would stylize everything so freaking much it wouldn't be the Hulk any more it would be Tim Burton's Monster Movie

I like Letterier he has the tone down right for the hulk i feel. the cgi looks a bit iffy but i think modeling it after the fantastic 70's television show is a great choice.

I would personally like to see Del Toro cause i think he would be perfect for any "creature feature"

 

[Godman]

Which is why I can't understand for the life of me that people keep complaining knowing it realy cant be done on that level. Ang Lee's Hulk was very close and had they used a model like that and then detailed him like the new one it would have been near perfect. I say near perfect because we can not replicate a human thru cgi, period. I dont care what anyone says.

Reason why we complain is because we know the level that the CG should at least be at based on what we have seen ILM do in the past. Whatever level this Hulk is at so far just ain't cutting it compared to a 2003 movie. What have the studios been doing?? Did they make it and really look to see if it is a 5 year difference? Honestly Ang's Hulk could still fit and would actually look better in every scene I saw with the knew one. I'm sorry Ang's was truly on a whole other lever of detail. The new one has better skin and texture, but Ang's model is far superior. This knew one looks like he has a skin disease (minus the green) The whole stretched skin feel is not cool and may look good in thought or paper but not in a real setting. Ity looks very bad. The Ang one was, yes, way more bulky, but looked more like something I could touch.

 

[Godman]

Tim Burton is a terrible choice for any movie that is an adaptation, or just not his own creation

he would stylize everything so freaking much it wouldn't be the Hulk any more it would be Tim Burton's Monster Movie

I like Letterier he has the tone down right for the hulk i feel. the cgi looks a bit iffy but i think modeling it after the fantastic 70's television show is a great choice.

I would personally like to see Del Toro cause i think he would be perfect for any "creature feature"

Burton is suited for the level of CG we are at and it would be creative to see what he would have done. Honestly he makes everything work in his movies where as based on the Hulk trailer nothing seems to fit. Peter Jackson woulda been real good and also del toro, but understand I like Burton's stuff. Plus EVERYTHING Burton does is an adaptation with his campy dark spin on it. That is HIM!!! He has done it from the beginning. Very few original concepts has he done, but for the most part his filmography is full of adaptations. Anyway to each his/her own. I bet if he had stuck with superman and Cage as the lead, we would have gotten something FRESH. We have seen a great superman movie already done by reeve. People are tired of mediocrity and that is why Burton has actually stayed making great movies that sell very well and reach all audiences. He is a very creative genius as is Tarantino and Fincher.

Anyway as for style, so far honestly I guarantee you nobody will styalize anything Hulk wise like Ang did. His movie may have had a very drawn out script and not as much excitement but I woulda loved to see his style with more action and balance. Technically the music, cinematography, FX, acting and directing was top notch and the new Hulk will not match up to those factors, I guarantee it.

Norton will most likely be the only good point in the whole movie thou Tim Roth used to be my fav at one point.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Reason why we complain is because we know the level that the CG should at least be at based on what we have seen ILM do in the past. Whatever level this Hulk is at so far just ain't cutting it compared to a 2003 movie. What have the studios been doing?? Did they make it and really look to see if it is a 5 year difference? Honestly Ang's Hulk could still fit and would actually look better in every scene I saw with the knew one. I'm sorry Ang's was truly on a whole other lever of detail. The new one has better skin and texture, but Ang's model is far superior. This knew one looks like he has a skin disease (minus the green) The whole stretched skin feel is not cool and may look good in thought or paper but not in a real setting. Ity looks very bad. The Ang one was, yes, way more bulky, but looked more like something I could touch.

I just stated that and am not worried after speaking to a certain someone. PM me.

 

[FrostBite]

I wonder where all the CG critics (not you Godman as you stated you didn't like this as well) were when LoTR came out... I decided to watch Gollum sequences for a little reference to what people praise constantly. (Edit: I mean in that they say 08 Hulk isn't as good as it.)

My god that character is hideous. That character actually does fit the "videogame" description so many have thrown around. I wonder if their love of the films clouds their judgment?

 

[FrostBite]

Burton is suited for the level of CG we are at and it would be creative to see what he would have done. Honestly he makes everything work in his movies where as based on the Hulk trailer nothing seems to fit. Peter Jackson woulda been real good and also del toro, but understand I like Burton's stuff. Plus EVERYTHING Burton does is an adaptation with his campy dark spin on it. That is HIM!!! He has done it from the beginning. Very few original concepts has he done, but for the most part his filmography is full of adaptations. Anyway to each his/her own. I bet if he had stuck with superman and Cage as the lead, we would have gotten something FRESH. We have seen a great superman movie already done by reeve. People are tired of mediocrity and that is why Burton has actually stayed making great movies that sell very well and reach all audiences. He is a very creative genius as is Tarantino and Fincher.

Well Godman, I guess that really seals the deal as to the fact we have separate tastes. I wouldn't throw Peter Jackson, Burton (current Burton outside Big Fish anyway) or Tarantino into the "creative genius" category. (Especially Tarantino.)