The Jaimie Alexander/Lady Sif thread

[Loki882]

No, I wasn't comparing them at all. If you want to play that game, Sif is a generic warrior woman (I like her btw).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, I wasn't comparing them at all. If you want to play that game, Sif is a generic warrior woman (I like her btw).

That is exact what you did. You described her relationship with Thor to that of Lois Lane's. The big difference being that Lois is Clark's equal, much in a similar way that Thor and Sif are each other equal. Not in terms of strength, but in how they challenge one another.

Also read more Thor. Sif far more then a generic warrior woman, especially in Walt Simonson's run (the best Thor there is, so just read it anyways ), JMS' run, Son of Asgard and the recent JIM.

 

[Vartha]

Niiiice yeah we do.

We need some more pics of Jaimie in here.lol

 

[Vartha]

That is exact what you did. You described her relationship with Thor to that of Lois Lane's. The big difference being that Lois is Clark's equal, much in a similar way that Thor and Sif are each other equal. Not in terms of strength, but in how they challenge one another.

Also read more Thor. Sif far more then a generic warrior woman, especially in Walt Simonson's run (the best Thor there is, so just read it anyways ), JMS' run, Son of Asgard and the recent JIM.

In a way I WISH Sif would join the Fearless Defenders, at LEAST she'd be in a book AND with Brunhilde/Valkyrie/Annabelle. Out of ALL Marvel Characters I can see Sif helping Val to deal with her "problems"

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

In a way I WISH Sif would join the Fearless Defenders, at LEAST she'd be in a book AND with Brunhilde/Valkyrie/Annabelle. Out of ALL Marvel Characters I can see Sif helping Val to deal with her "problems"

1. I always thought Sif should have spent some time as a Defender back in the day.

2. What is going on with Valkyrie these days exactly?

 

[Vartha]

1. I always thought Sif should have spent some time as a Defender back in the day.

2. What is going on with Valkyrie these days exactly?

Well Fearless Defenders starts out with Val deciding which female Superheroes would make a Valkyrie to replace the old ones.
After a few events it's revealed she's the Valkyrie of Rage (each Valkyrie has a specialty power so to speak).
This new character without any powers and is an Archeologist, Annabelle, become one of the Defenders and..

Spoiler

Val see's what she mistakenly thinks is a Valkyrie spirit in Annabelle. Well long story short, Val has a berserker rage attack fights a bunch of heroines snaps out of it after killing Annabelle.
Annabelle ends up in Valhalla and doesn't want to be there, Val comes to her with Cela basically saying she didn't deserve to die and has Cela merge the two. which is where they left off in issue 7.

By the way the last Fearless Defenders is issue 8

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well Fearless Defenders starts out with Val deciding which female Superheroes would make a Valkyrie to replace the old ones.
After a few events it's revealed she's the Valkyrie of Rage (each Valkyrie has a specialty power so to speak).
This new character without any powers and is an Archeologist, Annabelle, become one of the Defenders and..

Spoiler

Val see's what she mistakenly thinks is a Valkyrie spirit in Annabelle. Well long story short, Val has a berserker rage attack fights a bunch of heroines snaps out of it after killing Annabelle.
Annabelle ends up in Valhalla and doesn't want to be there, Val comes to her with Cela basically saying she didn't deserve to die and has Cela merge the two. which is where they left off in issue 7.

By the way the last Fearless Defenders is issue 8

Oh Marvel Comics.... Never change.

 

[Vartha]

Oh Marvel Comics.... Never change.

I loved the concept tho. Female superheroes being chosen to be the new Valkyries of Asgard chosen by Brunhilde herself!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I loved the concept tho. Female superheroes being chosen to be the new Valkyries of Asgard chosen by Brunhilde herself!

Valkyrie would be a great addition to the THOR films. If nothing else it would be a cool way to introduce The Enchantress, considering the comic book history of the 2. An MCU version of Val would have to have a less convoluted backstory but it could work. Then Sif would have an equally badass partner in crime! I still can't believe that they did not give us an Enchantress in DARK WORLD. I so thought we'd see her before the Dark Elf. Who'd a thunk that?!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In a way I WISH Sif would join the Fearless Defenders, at LEAST she'd be in a book AND with Brunhilde/Valkyrie/Annabelle. Out of ALL Marvel Characters I can see Sif helping Val to deal with her "problems"

I am definitely enjoying the Fearless Defenders, and Sif joining would be great, but it just feels like the books days are already numbered.

 

[Vartha]

I am definitely enjoying the Fearless Defenders, and Sif joining would be great, but it just feels like the books days are already numbered.

Yes, regrettably the last issue is #8

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, regrettably the last issue is #8

Are you sure? Issue #8 is the start of a new arc, and they have solicitations for issues #9 and #10. Issue #10 is tied into Infinity.

 

[Vartha]

HMMM then maybe my source misunderstood and didn't know the first arc ends at 8.
I'll still be getting it either way, I just wish SIF was involved in the book

 

[Loki882]

Cullen Bunn has given no indication that FD is ending. Also, Balder and Valkyrie are the two characters that I want to see the most, Sif can't be the only female warrior in Asgard.

 

[Vartha]

That's what I don't understand about Val's search among Earth women and not creating new ones for Asgard

 

[Farren]

Thor and Sif would be more interesting to me than the Jane storyline anyway.

Thor and a piece of wood would be more interesting than Thor and Jane.

 

[Loki882]

How do we know that Thor/Sif would be more interesting? I've seen no evidence of that thus far, I love Sif, just not as a love interest.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thor and a piece of wood would be more interesting than Thor and Jane.

Well to be fair, a piece of wood doesn't look quite as pretty as Natalie.

How do we know that Thor/Sif would be more interesting? I've seen no evidence of that thus far, I love Sif, just not as a love interest.

50+ years of comics.

 

[Hypestyle]

Sif needs to have an Earth adventure of her own. Bruce Banner would be a good escort. Sparks could fly...

 

[Vartha]

Well to be fair, a piece of wood doesn't look quite as pretty as Natalie.


50+ years of comics.

not to mention in the myths Sif and Thor are MARRIED. Sif also had a son from a warrior BEFORE Thor too.

 

[Angel]

Yeah also in norse mythology Loki and Sif had an affair. The evidence is the Lokesanna quote, Poetic Edda, stanza 54. In this, Loki basically accuses Sif of having an affair with him. Loki to Sif -

"I alone know, as I think I do know, your love besides Thor, and that was the wicked Loki".

In the poem, Sif makes no comment on this at all, not even to deny it. Also, earlier in the poem Odin (in disguise) tells Thor that Sif (Thor's wife in the myths) has a lover at home. Also, the whole Loki cutting Sif's hair has a few hints in it too, in norse myth, cutting off one's hair was seen as a sign of adultery then and that it's questioned just how Loki was able to get so close to Sif that he cut off all her hair.

So, basically, I think there is some quite strong hints in the myths themselves that Loki and Sif had a relationship and going off the Lokesanna quotes, that it was more than just a one night stand.


Finally, Sif has a son called Ullr who is the stepson of Thor. The father is unknown, but he is most likely not an Aesir (the race of Asgard). According to Myths of the Norsemen, by Helene A. Guerber (orig. published in 1909), Ullr loved the cold and his father is a Frost Giant. Also, Ullr's latinised name, Ollerus, "is described as a cunning wizard with magical means of transportation". So a few hints here of who the daddy could be... It could be Loki or it could not be.
​

 

[Vartha]

Yeah also in norse mythology Loki and Sif had an affair. The evidence is the Lokesanna quote, Poetic Edda, stanza 54. In this, Loki basically accuses Sif of having an affair with him. Loki to Sif -

"I alone know, as I think I do know, your love besides Thor, and that was the wicked Loki".




In the poem, Sif makes no comment on this at all, not even to deny it. Also, earlier in the poem Odin (in disguise) tells Thor that Sif (Thor's wife in the myths) has a lover at home. Also, the whole Loki cutting Sif's hair has a few hints in it too, in norse myth, cutting off one's hair was seen as a sign of adultery then and that it's questioned just how Loki was able to get so close to Sif that he cut off all her hair.

So, basically, I think there is some quite strong hints in the myths themselves that Loki and Sif had a relationship and going off the Lokesanna quotes, that it was more than just a one night stand.​

Finally, Sif has a son called Ullr who is the stepson of Thor. The father is unknown, but he is most likely not an Aesir (the race of Asgard). According to Myths of the Norsemen, by Helene A. Guerber (orig. published in 1909), Ullr loved the cold and his father is a Frost Giant. Also, Ullr's latinised name, Ollerus, "is described as a cunning wizard with magical means of transportation". So a few hints here of who the daddy could be... It could be Loki or it could not be.​

What book is that info in? I have hardly ANYTHING that goes that far into detail with Sif other than she was a fertility Goddess with a son Called Ullr I should say book still in PRINT a lot aren't any more
EDIT: I did find the Helene Guerber book at Barnes and Nobel online. I can order that at the store

 

[Moonwing]

Yeah also in norse mythology Loki and Sif had an affair. The evidence is the Lokesanna quote, Poetic Edda, stanza 54. In this, Loki basically accuses Sif of having an affair with him. Loki to Sif -

"I alone know, as I think I do know, your love besides Thor, and that was the wicked Loki".

In the poem, Sif makes no comment on this at all, not even to deny it. Also, earlier in the poem Odin (in disguise) tells Thor that Sif (Thor's wife in the myths) has a lover at home. Also, the whole Loki cutting Sif's hair has a few hints in it too, in norse myth, cutting off one's hair was seen as a sign of adultery then and that it's questioned just how Loki was able to get so close to Sif that he cut off all her hair.

So, basically, I think there is some quite strong hints in the myths themselves that Loki and Sif had a relationship and going off the Lokesanna quotes, that it was more than just a one night stand.


Finally, Sif has a son called Ullr who is the stepson of Thor. The father is unknown, but he is most likely not an Aesir (the race of Asgard). According to Myths of the Norsemen, by Helene A. Guerber (orig. published in 1909), Ullr loved the cold and his father is a Frost Giant. Also, Ullr's latinised name, Ollerus, "is described as a cunning wizard with magical means of transportation". So a few hints here of who the daddy could be... It could be Loki or it could not be.
​

In mythology all of the Sif related thing is strange as her name is not even a name at all just a title.

And nothing really suggest that their marriage with Thor was of love, so it`s more than o.k. for them to have lovers on a side as it seems more like a mandatory thing.

 

[Angel]

i agree with you there but it's interesting that it's Loki who she had an affair with so it does become complicated. And even more interesting of the fact that Thor cared more that Sif's gold hair was gone than him finding out that she had a lover.

 

[Moonwing]

i agree with you there but it's interesting that it's Loki who she had an affair with so it does become complicated. And even more interesting of the fact that Thor cared more that Sif's gold hair was gone than him finding out that she had a lover.

If we think in the range of theory that Sif=Jörð we do not know if he was the only one who she have an affair with, its probably just the most scandalous one considering sides involved. Earth incarnation in loveless, mandatory marriage neglected by her husband/son (it is a miracle that they had Þrúðr together) it is easy to see why she fall in affair with Loki, and probably many others.

As for why Thor cared more that Sif's gold hair was gone than him finding out that she had a lover, well it`s not his business with whom his mother will chose to sleep. But hair-its her pride and beauty and she was devastated so it was his duty to avenge it=).

By the way, I am stile interested in why marvel do not use Járnsaxa at all. It can be so interesting cross culture pairing without need of human part. And it will free Sif as even in comic her relationship with Thor is strange on-off thing.