The Official Jaimie Alexander/Sif Thread

^ Exactly, so if they're going to end Thor & Jane without really showing it, they need to just leave the whole love angle alone until this gets resolved. Otherwise it'll feel completely out of place & messy.
 
However, I think in Thor's case it's different. In TDW we had both Odin and Loki warn Thor that, because of Jane's mortality, he's going to have to say goodbye to Jane sooner or later. The last time we saw Jane, she and Thor were embracing. There was no hint in AoU that Thor and Jane were having problems before Thor had to depart back to Asgard. You'd think Thor would at least be a bit downcast if he and Jane broke up since he risked a lot for her. His lack of emotion about a potential break up in AoU suggests to me that things are ok between Jane and Thor.

You're thinking about this from an in-universe perspective. In real life, circumstances change. We don't know why Jane isn't coming back. It could be because Natalie Portman didn't want to do it. It could be because she was fired. It could be because her schedule was tied up. It could be anything.

The point is, saying it can't happen because AOU indicated things were okay between them doesn't really matter. If need be you could even retcon the events of the movie and say Thor was lying about Jane not showing up because she was busy.

Yes, but Thor suddenly dropping Jane and falling for this previously unheard of character just reeks of a Mary Sue.

Eh. It's not like he'd be dumping Jane for any new love interest, if indeed Thompson's character is a love interest at all.
 
You're thinking about this from an in-universe perspective. In real life, circumstances change. We don't know why Jane isn't coming back. It could be because Natalie Portman didn't want to do it. It could be because she was fired. It could be because her schedule was tied up. It could be anything.

The point is, saying it can't happen because AOU indicated things were okay between them doesn't really matter. If need be you could even retcon the events of the movie and say Thor was lying about Jane not showing up because she was busy.

Whilst obviously real life factors dictate the plot, there has to be an in-universe reason for why something has happened. For example, Gwyneth Paltrow is not in Civil War and the in-universe reason is that she and Tony have broken up. Iron Man 3 had her and Tony arguing about him being Iron Man and showed him destroying the suits. The fact he went back to being Iron Man would obviously be a source of contention so it makes sense that she'd leaving especially if she'd delivered an "it's me or the suits" ultimatum.

With Jane and Thor, on the other hand, there has been no evidence that there is a problem. When we last saw them together, Thor had returned to Earth to be with Jane after inadvertently leaving Loki on Asgard's throne, and they were embracing each other. In AoU, Thor made no reference that he and Jane had been having problems. Whilst he may not have said anything to the other avengers, he shared a scene with Selvig, and since Selvig is Jane's friend and father figure, you would think that Selvig may have mentioned something if Thor and Jane were having problems.


Eh. It's not like he'd be dumping Jane for any new love interest, if indeed Thompson's character is a love interest at all.

It would still seem Mary-Sue ish for Thor to suddenly and conveniently be available in order to be paired with this new character that there has been no mention about before this movie.
 
Whilst obviously real life factors dictate the plot, there has to be an in-universe reason for why something has happened. For example, Gwyneth Paltrow is not in Civil War and the in-universe reason is that she and Tony have broken up. Iron Man 3 had her and Tony arguing about him being Iron Man and showed him destroying the suits. The fact he went back to being Iron Man would obviously be a source of contention so it makes sense that she'd leaving especially if she'd delivered an "it's me or the suits" ultimatum.

With Jane and Thor, on the other hand, there has been no evidence that there is a problem. When we last saw them together, Thor had returned to Earth to be with Jane after inadvertently leaving Loki on Asgard's throne, and they were embracing each other. In AoU, Thor made no reference that he and Jane had been having problems. Whilst he may not have said anything to the other avengers, he shared a scene with Selvig, and since Selvig is Jane's friend and father figure, you would think that Selvig may have mentioned something if Thor and Jane were having problems.

There's plenty of scenarios you could come up with, tbh. For one, she was very angry when he returned after all that time without contacting her. She even hit him twice. Thor's been gone since the events of Age of Ultron, and Civil War seems to indicate he hasn't been in contact with Earth in that time.

By 2017, it'll have been two years. Who is to say she wouldn't get sick of this and feel like he'd made a fool of her again?


It would still seem Mary-Sue ish for Thor to suddenly and conveniently be available in order to be paired with this new character that there has been no mention about before this movie.

Not really. I mean, for one, there's a already a lot of people who don't like Jane. So I don't think they'd really be that broken up over a new love interest.

Like I said before, replacement love interests happen literally all the time in TV shows and franchise movies.
 
There's plenty of scenarios you could come up with, tbh. For one, she was very angry when he returned after all that time without contacting her. She even hit him twice. Thor's been gone since the events of Age of Ultron, and Civil War seems to indicate he hasn't been in contact with Earth in that time.

By 2017, it'll have been two years. Who is to say she wouldn't get sick of this and feel like he'd made a fool of her again?

Thor gave Jane his reasons for being gone so long (The bifrost was broken then the nine realms decended into chaos) and Jane admitted that they weren't bad reasons.

Considering Thor risked a great deal during TDW to save Jane, it would be pretty selfish of her to take issue with the fact that there are things going on that Thor needs to deal with. Stopping an evil robot from causing another dinosaur-vanquishing asteroid collision with Earth is more important than choosing curtains with her. Then, during Ultron's rampage, Thor get visions of his homeworld and friends being wiped out because of what will be Ragnarok so he goes to Asgard to check things out. Again, that kind of thing takes precedence over date night.


Not really. I mean, for one, there's a already a lot of people who don't like Jane. So I don't think they'd really be that broken up over a new love interest.

Like I said before, replacement love interests happen literally all the time in TV shows and franchise movies.

I think there is two things at play here:

1. The way the Jane/Thor relationship has been set up in the movies tries to portray it as this love story that is doomed to end tragically. Both Odin and Loki made a point of it, Jane will grow old and die whilst Thor will barely age at all.

2. Yeah people don't give a crap about Jane and wouldn't be bothered if Jane was out of the picture, but that doesn't mean that they would just want one love interest swapped for another.

If the Thor/Jane relationship breaks apart, that's something that needs to be show on-screen given how it has been portrayed so far. If the break up happened off-screen because of Portman's lack of availability or refusal to return, then Thor needs to be given time to adjust to the fact that the woman he risked everything for who was supposedly the love of his life has left him. To just throw him into another relationship so quickly kind of undermines the romantic set up of the first two Thor movies.
 
Well first of all, we don't know how much time has passed. And second, we don't know what the story is or this new character's role in the plot. So saying that it'd be "unconvincing" is highly premature, as is calling a Mary Sue (BTW I hate that term so much, people need to stop throwing it out if they don't know what it actually is supposed to mean).
 
Might as well break up Thor and Jane and put Sif with Thor
 
That's the obvious way to go since it's already been hinted at anyway, but I don't really care if Thor has a love interest or not.

I'd like to see a great love story play out in these films, but as of now none of the ongoing MCU love stories intrigue me.

Bruce/Natasha: forced and corny, who knows if it will even go anywhere
Wanda/Vision: fine so far, but barely counts right now and definitely comic fan service
Steve/Sharon: painfully underdeveloped, one of the only bad parts of the Russo films
Thor/Jane: distracting and dull
Hawkeye/his wife: who cares
Tony/Pepper: the only relationship to get a decent amount of development, but it never seemed realistic and it may be over

Romance clearly isn't their strength! If they put Thor and Sif together it'd just be another side plot they don't care to develop.
 
Plus Thor and Sif are a much better fit as a love story especially since she can be a Frigga-like character to Thor's Odin if that even makes sense
 
Well first of all, we don't know how much time has passed. And second, we don't know what the story is or this new character's role in the plot. So saying that it'd be "unconvincing" is highly premature, as is calling a Mary Sue (BTW I hate that term so much, people need to stop throwing it out if they don't know what it actually is supposed to mean).

Traditionally, a Mary-Sue is a female character in fanfiction that is basically an author insert. Generally, she is treated as the greatest thing since sliced bread by the other actual canon characters. The Mary-sue will normally either end up dying in which case everybody will mourn her because of how special she was or she'll romantically end up with one of the prominent (normally male) characters depending on who the author likes the most.

In tv/film terms, basically a Mary-Sue is used to reference a female character that suddenly appears despite having no grounding in previously established canon (in this case Thor 1, TDW, and both avengers) and is suddenly treated as a very important person that is so great and everyone fawns over her and her amazing skill(s). She also tends to end up with the male lead after they've been on a dangerous quest together and one of them nearly died which made the other realise just how special this person was to them.

You're right in that we:
a) Don't know how much time has passed
b) what the story is
c) what this new characters role in the plot is

So all of this could be completely moot.

However, what I'm saying is that, considering when we last saw Thor and Jane together they were all loved up, there needs to be a bridge between the events of TDW and Thor hooking up with a new love interest. There was no mention of Thor and Jane having difficulties in AOU which was Thor's last appearance so as far as the GA are concerned Thor and Jane are still together romantically. To suddenly have Thor hook up with this new female character that we've never heard of before and just say "by the way Jane and I broke up" is basically a plot device.

I'd rather Thor not have a love interest in Ragnarok because to put it bluntly there is more important things at stake than a woman. If we are forced to have a love interest for Thor, at the very least let it be a previously established one so we don't have to waste time on Thor getting to know this new love interest.

Might as well break up Thor and Jane and put Sif with Thor

Whilst Sif would be preferable to a brand new female character, there still needs to be a bridge between TDW and this movie to make it believable, especially as in TDW Thor either was oblivious to Sif's feeling for him or he was wilfully ignoring them so there would need to be an explanation for why Thor has had a sudden change of heart about Sif.

Plus Thor and Sif are a much better fit as a love story especially since she can be a Frigga-like character to Thor's Odin if that even makes sense

I can see what you're going for with that comparison, however I think Sif and Thor are quite different characters from Frigga and Odin respectively in terms of temperament and values. For example, Thor thinks with his heart whereas Odin generally doesn't let his emotions cloud his judgement. Sif was completely done with Loki after the events of Thor and the Avengers whereas Frigga was still willing to give him a chance.
 
That's the obvious way to go since it's already been hinted at anyway, but I don't really care if Thor has a love interest or not.

I'd like to see a great love story play out in these films, but as of now none of the ongoing MCU love stories intrigue me.

Bruce/Natasha: forced and corny, who knows if it will even go anywhere
Wanda/Vision: fine so far, but barely counts right now and definitely comic fan service
Steve/Sharon: painfully underdeveloped, one of the only bad parts of the Russo films
Thor/Jane: distracting and dull
Hawkeye/his wife: who cares
Tony/Pepper: the only relationship to get a decent amount of development, but it never seemed realistic and it may be over

Romance clearly isn't their strength! If they put Thor and Sif together it'd just be another side plot they don't care to develop.
How is Steve/Sharon underdeveloped? It's not like they're going out. They're not in love. They've been flirting for two films now and ended their last scene together with a kiss. There's nothing underdeveloped about that. That's how relationships in real life happen. It was a natural progression.
 
That's true, but the character of Sharon is so painfully underdeveloped the relationship doesn't make any impression. It takes two to tango!

I'm sure there were bigger plans for her before they adopted the Civil War storyline for the third Captain America film, but what we got didn't really do anything for me (I loved the film overall though).
 
YEEEEESSS THANK GOD. Alexander won't be in Thor 3. She is literally the worst actress in the MCU. I ****ing cringe during her scenes. So horrible. Well written character but Jesus she is bad.

It's that ****ing awful fake accent she uses. So unconvincing. She is alright in other stuff but get her the **** out of the MCU. Damn.
 
I not sure how you can consider Sif well-written when she's barely been included in the MCU. Same goes for the Warriors Three. They've all been badly underused and developed.
 
Okay, so that's pretty much confirmation that Sif is back. What about the Warriors Three?
 
I not sure how you can consider Sif well-written when she's barely been included in the MCU. Same goes for the Warriors Three. They've all been badly underused and developed.

Underused and underdeveloped are understatements, to say the least. Hopefully this issue is one Marvel plans to finally rectify fully.
 
It's a good thing she's back. Now give her something interesting to do and a chance to show some personailty.
 
Yes, but Thor suddenly dropping Jane and falling for this previously unheard of character just reeks of a Mary Sue.


The actress and writers will have to knock this out of the park for it to work for me.
 
So, what's the status on Jaimie's involvement with TR? Anybody got any info on that?
 
For the people that really wanna see Sif. Here's an interview from late 2015 where she admits being in Thor 3.

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If Sif is going to be in Thor Ragnarok I wonder if she will be fighting alongside Loki and all the other Asgardians especially if Hela and her forces invade Asgard
 

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