The Last Airbender

[Ghostvirus]

The funny thing is that Avatar was the watched more by older demographics than kids on Nick. It was that popular a show that kids were actually in the minority when it came to watching this show.

No offense Ghostvirus that a BS copout excuse and you know it. Just because its aimed for kids doesn't mean you should get lazy when it comes to writing, directing, and editing this film. No director should ever film a movie with the mindset "Its for the children so I don't have to work as hard."

There are plenty of films that are aimed for kids with Universal appeal, such as (what Ipodman said) Pixar films, Dreamworks animation films, earlier Harry Potter films, and it goes on.

And who cares if its a Children's cartoon? If many demographics were entertained watching the tv show there would be no reason to dumb it down or make it accessible to only kids for the film. They weren't only marketing it for kids though anyway to begin with.

Its not like its Alvin and the Chipmunks, which aims for only kids. MKS wanted universal appeal and he failed on that front.

The fact that Adults watched this more than children is just pathetic, & says a lot about our society.

The difference between Pixar & various other movies is they intended for both Adults & children to enjoy them. They made those films knowing that the parents were going to have to tag along. So they wanted them to enjoy it as well.

You don't have to tag along on a television show. You just make sure it is appropriate for your child to watch & then let them enjoy it.

I have not watched Nick in like, Jesus I don't even know how long. I have no interest in watching it. They do not (or shouldn't rather) have shows that appeal to me.

Look I am not saying that enjoying a cartoon that is geared towards children is wrong. I am saying that taking just as seriously as a child would is a little weird. Everybody should take their inner child out for a romp. But they shouldn't let their inner child run sh**.

 

[Nathan]

Since this was supposed to be for the kids, then why did Shy suck all the fun out of it that, you know, a cartoon aimed at kids had?

 

[Sam Fisher]

The fact that Adults watched this more than children is just pathetic, & says a lot about our society.

The difference between Pixar & various other movies is they intended for both Adults & children to enjoy them. They made those films knowing that the parents were going to have to tag along. So they wanted them to enjoy it as well.

You don't have to tag along on a television show. You just make sure it is appropriate for your child to watch & then let them enjoy it.

I have not watched Nick in like, Jesus I don't even know how long. I have no interest in watching it. They do not (or shouldn't rather) have shows that appeal to me.

Look I am not saying that enjoying a cartoon that is geared towards children is wrong. I am saying that taking just as seriously as a child would is a little weird. Everybody should take their inner child out for a romp. But they shouldn't let their inner child run sh**.

Pixar is not the only one that can make quality animated movies/shows for both kids and adults you know. Avatar IS one of those shows. And the fact that you haven't even bothered to watch it because it's "on a stupid kids network not aimed at you" makes your arguement even less valid.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I am a little taken back by the fact that some of you "adults" are taking a CHILDRENS cartoon so serioiusly.

This wasn't meant for you. You keep saying the fans. The children are supposed to be the fans. This isn't meant for grown ass men. Most children seemed to like it. The actual demographic that this was intended for. I gotta say I think some of you need to either realise that at the end of the day this is for children & just enjoy watching it for what it is. Or not watch it, enjoy the cartoon, & ignore the movies.

Either way I really think some of you need stop worrying about the fate of a childrens cartoon, & maybe consider growing up a little bit. I know that seems harsh. I am just speaking my mind.

think you need to read this:

Not to mention that all of us are posting on a superhero message board

yea, sort of makes your post invalid there "Ghostvirus"

just saying

 

[Ghostvirus]

I never said that Nick was a stupid kids network. I am saying that network is not made for adults.

Much like I don't go into the childrens section in the library. Why would I watch a channel that isn't made for me? Do you watch the lifetime channel? Rarely I would assume.

I am going to watch Lifetime for Jennifer Love Hewitt on tuesday. But after that probably not going to be turning it on again for a while.

& the reason why the movie was more serious is because they realise that Adults are going to watch. So Shams made a wrong move on that I guess.

Do you wonder why the first season of Avatar is considered the weakest? It is probably because they made it striclty for kids. Then after seeing the a load of Adults watch it. They changed it up after that to appeal to the older. I don't really know because I didn't make it to season 2.

 

[Ghostvirus]

think you need to read this:





yea, sort of makes your post invalid there "Ghostvirus"

just saying

Really? So Sandman, Preacher, Spawn, & various forms of Batman, Wolverine, 30 Days of Night, Y The Last Man, these are all comics geared for kids?

There are multiple discussions going on, on this site. But there are many, many, many threads I don't go to because I have no interest in them. So why would I go there?

Is there an interview anywhere that has the creators comments on how they feel about the movie. I am curious about what their opinions are.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I never said that Nick was a stupid kids network. I am saying that network is not made for adults.

Much like I don't go into the childrens section in the library. Why would I watch a channel that isn't made for me? Do you watch the lifetime channel? Rarely I would assume.

So because it's on a kids network, that means it's not a well writtin show that adults can enjoy too? That's some faulty logic right there. By your logic, Pixar's movies are inferior because they're kids movies.

Do you wonder why the first season of Avatar is considered the weakest? It is probably because they made it striclty for kids. Then after seeing the a load of Adults watch it. They changed it up after that to appeal to the older. I don't really know because I didn't make it to season 2.

Can you say the same thing about the original Star Wars Trilogy? LOTR? Trilogies that have first movies lighter in tone compared to their two sequels.

 

[Ipodman]

I am not trying to offend anyone, or the movie, or anything.

I'm just curious to find out why GhostVirus is so frustrated that people hate this movie?

Every movie has people that hate it.

 

[Jager X]

I am not trying to offend anyone, or the movie, or anything.

I'm just curious to find out why GhostVirus is so frustrated that people hate this movie?

Every movie has people that hate it.

Because his frustration serves as the necessary gateway to the pure idiocy of his reasoning in this thread.

 

[Ipodman]

He actually has some good points... like

I never said that Nick was a stupid kids network. I am saying that network is not made for adults.

Much like I don't go into the childrens section in the library. Why would I watch a channel that isn't made for me? Do you watch the lifetime channel? Rarely I would assume.

I am going to watch Lifetime for Jennifer Love Hewitt on tuesday. But after that probably not going to be turning it on again for a while.

& the reason why the movie was more serious is because they realise that Adults are going to watch. So Shams made a wrong move on that I guess.

Do you wonder why the first season of Avatar is considered the weakest? It is probably because they made it striclty for kids. Then after seeing the a load of Adults watch it. They changed it up after that to appeal to the older. I don't really know because I didn't make it to season 2.

So what he is saying is Kids will love it but adults will hate it?

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

So what he is saying is Kids will love it but adults will hate it?

Ghostvirus' logic is absolutely flawless. It is pathetic and says a lot about society when a heap of adults feel passionately about a cartoon, as opposed to being something recognised as a piece of children's fiction that transcends audience age limitations. And if its made for children and some like it and someone who is not a child hates it, then obviously that person is a "grown ass man" (seriously, wth does that mean?) and there is no such thing as a quality child's program, EVERY children' program is to be judged by how cool some kids think it is, rather than actual good features.

And its okay for any adult to let their kid out once in a while, but don't you dare, I mean DARE get that kid within you serious about something he enjoys, because you'll be shipped off to Opposite Land before you can say "But Ghostvirus, your argument is so full of holes it must have been in the crossfire of a John Woo film!"

 

[Jager X]

It is only a point suited for him. Why should I stop visiting the children's section of the library because I am no longer a child? I have yet to see an individual looked down upon just because he or she wanted to read "Green Eggs & Ham." As we get older, we grow out of things by nature of our personality, not because we are no longer age appropriate. There are genres that are not primarily aimed towards our respective likes, but that does not mean that we cannot find enjoyment in those very things.

Yes, Avatar is a kid's show. It lets you know that every time they show the Y-7 rating. But the show transcends its target audience and becomes something much more. This is why Avatar is such a success, much like Toy Story 3. We as the audience are not subjected to shallow, recycled plots like Pokemon. Beneath the childish antics we are given a rich and divine story that is, I dare say, Shakespearian. If I am so lucky to be 70 years of age, I will still watch this show with great joy.

 

[Jager X]

Ghostvirus' logic is absolutely flawless. It is pathetic and says a lot about society when a heap of adults feel passionately about a cartoon, as opposed to being something recognised as a piece of children's fiction that transcends audience age limitations. And if its made for children and some like it and someone who is not a child hates it, then obviously that person is a "grown ass man" (seriously, wth does that mean?) and there is no such thing as a quality child's program, EVERY children' program is to be judged by how cool some kids think it is, rather than actual good features.

And its okay for any adult to let their kid out once in a while, but don't you dare, I mean DARE get that kid within you serious about something he enjoys, because you'll be shipped off to Opposite Land before you can say "But Ghostvirus, your argument is so full of holes it must have been in the crossfire of a John Woo film!"

I approve of this post.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is no such thing as a kid's film. It is a cop-out phrase used to excuse terrible, unimaginative writing. The best entertainment can be seen by the whole family and appreciated for all that it is.

I watch Avatar because it is good. Same reason I watch Doctor Who, Community and anything else I watch.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I approve of this post.

Thanks! And I approve of yours, for going the "non-patronising" route.

That said, I do feel bad for what I said, after all, I must be one damn grown ass man (Seriously, I do NOT get what that term means) to be posting so angrily on a thread about an adaptation of a children's show, I'm obviously letting my inner child "run *****" (This I also do not get, does my inner kid trip over a lot? Does he think human waste is a viable currency format? Does he just like playing with excrement? Cause I swear if it's that last one I'm putting my inner b*stard kid up for adoption cause that's just filthy)

 

[Downhere]

Much like I don't go into the childrens section in the library.

You know, honestly, your missing out. I took a children's literature course a couple of years back and most children's books are pretty complex in structure and offer stories that reach all age groups even though they are "aimed" at a certain demographic. There are many children's or young adult books that are a great deal better than something aimed at adult's.

Also, when you think about it, most of the topics on these boards deal with superhero's which are largely considered by the general public to be geared toward children and young adults and many people get passionate over these superhero's, so how is that any different than being passionate about Avatar?

 

[Ipodman]

If theres no such thing as a kid's film, then there are no such things as adult films too I guess.

I should let my son watch adult sex flicks? NO!

 

[Stikmann]

If theres no such thing as a kid's film, then there are no such things as adult films too I guess.

I should let my son watch adult sex flicks? NO!

I’m sorry but that makes no sense. Adult films are inappropriate to a young person’s developing mind. Adult films could be detrimental to them. There’s nothing inappropriate or detrimental to an adult in a “kid’s film”. I don’t see the correlation there.

 

[gregtestagent]

The fact that Adults watched this more than children is just pathetic, & says a lot about our society.

I just find that ironic since ur posting in Superhero forums.

 

[gregtestagent]

There’s nothing inappropriate or detrimental to an adult in a “kid’s film”. I don’t see the correlation there.

did u ever take ur kids to go see a Pokemon movie?

 

[gregtestagent]

The fact that Adults watched this more than children is just pathetic, & says a lot about our society.

The difference between Pixar & various other movies is they intended for both Adults & children to enjoy them. They made those films knowing that the parents were going to have to tag along. So they wanted them to enjoy it as well.

You don't have to tag along on a television show. You just make sure it is appropriate for your child to watch & then let them enjoy it.

I have not watched Nick in like, Jesus I don't even know how long. I have no interest in watching it. They do not (or shouldn't rather) have shows that appeal to me.

Look I am not saying that enjoying a cartoon that is geared towards children is wrong. I am saying that taking just as seriously as a child would is a little weird. Everybody should take their inner child out for a romp. But they shouldn't let their inner child run sh**.

It actually says more about T.V. programming. As of late, television shows have, on a whole been going downhill since 1992 with The Real World and reality tv. The rest of adult programming includes sex, extreme violence, more sex, love triangles, and more violence. Sex and violence have become key plot features, whole shows are based around one or both. With Avatar, it was nice to actually get a story with interesting characters, instead of watching the Kardashians whine and sulk at each other for episodes on end. On a whole, it doesn't sound like u watched the show like most of us have, so I can see why u wouldn't have a stake in the movie's success, or lack thereof. And taking things too seriously? these are are just texts on a message board, were not throwing bricks through Shyamalan's windows. Although now that I think about it

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The fact that Adults watched this more than children is just pathetic, & says a lot about our society.

The difference between Pixar & various other movies is they intended for both Adults & children to enjoy them. They made those films knowing that the parents were going to have to tag along. So they wanted them to enjoy it as well.

You don't have to tag along on a television show. You just make sure it is appropriate for your child to watch & then let them enjoy it.

I have not watched Nick in like, Jesus I don't even know how long. I have no interest in watching it. They do not (or shouldn't rather) have shows that appeal to me.

Look I am not saying that enjoying a cartoon that is geared towards children is wrong. I am saying that taking just as seriously as a child would is a little weird. Everybody should take their inner child out for a romp. But they shouldn't let their inner child run sh**.

Did you not read the read of my post?

This film, like the tv show, was intended for children and adults. There is no reason to switch to just focusing on children and MKS didn't intend to do that. You refuse to believe that many of the elements that made the show a great show were stripped, toned down, or removed. Like I said, he wanted universal appeal.

But since you liked The Village and LAdy in the Water you won't listen since you're obviously in love MKS and all his works so you're used to mediocracy.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Thanks! And I approve of yours, for going the "non-patronising" route.

That said, I do feel bad for what I said, after all, I must be one damn grown ass man (Seriously, I do NOT get what that term means) to be posting so angrily on a thread about an adaptation of a children's show, I'm obviously letting my inner child "run *****" (This I also do not get, does my inner kid trip over a lot? Does he think human waste is a viable currency format? Does he just like playing with excrement? Cause I swear if it's that last one I'm putting my inner b*stard kid up for adoption cause that's just filthy)

I sincerely apologose for using grown up words like ass & Sh**. I should have known it would throw off people of your intelligence.

Grown Ass Man = A Grown Up. I just decided to use that term to lesson the brashn...oops another big word sorry. I chose the term to not come off as a big meany head (how is that? I can dumb it down more if you like).

Running Sh** = Controlling your personality. Basically you have the mentality of a child if you let your inner child have to much control.

I have voiced my opinion on this. I am through. It is very apparent that I have in the ultimate irony ventured into the kindercare section. I enjoyed the film for what it was. I could really care less about what other people think about the film. I was defending Shyamalan more than anything. But it has become apparent that people won't be happy until he no longer has a career.

I hope you get all you deserve with this film series.

 

[Ghostvirus]

Did you not read the read of my post?

This film, like the tv show, was intended for children and adults. There is no reason to switch to just focusing on children and MKS didn't intend to do that. You refuse to believe that many of the elements that made the show a great show were stripped, toned down, or removed. Like I said, he wanted universal appeal.

But since you liked The Village and LAdy in the Water you won't listen since you're obviously in love MKS and all his works so you're used to mediocracy.

Who the hell is MKS? Wait do you mean M. NIGHT Shyamalan?

I suppose the question I am struck with now is do I stick with mediocrity, or do I let the illiterate person change my mind. Hmmm....

 

[Jager X]

At Ghostvirus:

Though I do this all the time, I must say that vulgarity does not make you any more of an adult or intelligent. If you were trying not to come off as insulting in your post then you fail, just saying.

Now with that out of the way, the dislike towards MNS seems justified by those who saw the movie. Of course there were people who were doubting him from the start, but the tide started changing when we all saw the trailers and the sets. Apparently, all the beautiful scenery and effects were for naught since the director failed to deliver to the audience a mindful adaptation that embodies the very essence of the series. With hyperboles aside, I saw no negative reviews in this thread that did not have merit to them. Again, I have not seen the movie but I read reviews that echo the same problems in a legitamate manner. So there is really no reason for you to get pissy.