The List of Things That Batman 89 Got Right/Wrong

[Batman_5]

Ok this has been bugging me for a looong time & don't get me wrong I still love this movie I have since I first saw it when I was 3 years old but as I've gotten older of course I noticed there are a TON of things Burton & co. got wrong with the movie but of course there were some things that were awesome. So if anyone wants to add to the list feel free, these are the main ones I know of.....

The Negatives:
1. Harvey Dent - Even though he was played by a great actor, Harvey has always been caucasian in the comics.

2. Jim Gordon - Horrible casting on they're part, in the movie he didn't really serve a purpose as Gordon should & of course he was about 200 pounds overweight to play him (sorry I had to say it)

3. Joker doesn't have a name (Jack Napier) & never will at least thats how it should be I think.

4. The murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents (obviously)

5. After the Joker Goon Chase with Batman/Vicki, the Batmobile is driving automatically without Batman & in a close up you can see a hand steering it inside the front window.

6. The scene where Batman takes Vicki to the Batcave they enter into the secret tunnel & you see Vicki look back to see the entrance door close but how could she see whats behind her?? (This is a minor one but still it bugs me)

7. During the Joker Parade scene you see Vicki try to drive away from the gas clouding the city but you can clearly see in the back her right side window is rolled down. (Another picky one)

8. Joker shooting Bruce in Vicki's apartment showing only a tin metal dish stopping the bullet, its not really wrong but I doubt a pan would stop a bullet & I thought Bruce always wore a bullet proof vest? In one scene anyway...

9. Letting Vicki into the Batcave! I mean come on, thats probably the dumbest part of the movie.

10. In the final battle scene with Batman & Joker, Batman says "You killed my parents" as Joker replies "I was young when I killed your parents" How would he know he killed his parents in the first place when he doesn't even know who Batman really is Bruce Wayne.

11. Killing off The Joker, this might be the one that really ticked me off. They should of kept him alive for future use & bring a little mystery to it...

Thats all I could think of for now, there were a few I couldn't remember like the editing they screwed up on in the Joker/Goons trashing the art pieces but I'm sure everyone knows that one by now.

The Positives:

1. The character of Alfred, great acting....all around awesome performance

2. The Joker, I'm sure several people will deny Jack was an awesome Joker but in my opinion he captured the character all around, the only thing I didn't like was he was a little overweight to play him but he made up for it.

3. Vicki Vale, Kim really was great if you ask me & her look was close to the comics if I remember correctly.

4. The Batmobile - I think everyone agrees the car rules

5. The Batcave, even though they didn't show much of it, it was just designed well from the equipment he had & the darkness of it.

6. The character of Batman - Keaton did very well in the suit although there were restrictions. His voice was pretty good, his eyes/face told the story. I didn't really love his Bruce Wayne but it was pretty good all around (Fans are still half & half I think).

Well thats about it, I'm sure there are a ton of things you guys can think of & comment on, remember these are just my opinions. I'll always love the movie no matter what, it never really gets old to me but I feel BB & The Dark Knight have & will blow this away...

 

[Mr. Socko]

Completely agree on 9, 10, & 11. I've even brought up #10 before myself.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Ok this has been bugging me for a looong time & don't get me wrong I still love this movie I have since I first saw it when I was 3 years old but as I've gotten older of course I noticed there are a TON of things Burton & co. got wrong with the movie but of course there were some things that were awesome. So if anyone wants to add to the list feel free, these are the main ones I know of.....

Not making accusations here, but with you being a new poster and all, this reeks of somebody trying to cover up that they have an axe to grind against Burton. Just wanted to let you know you could easily come off as that. Don't worry about offending people. Just don't be offending in your complaints about the film as we'll get it.

The Negatives:
2. Jim Gordon - Horrible casting on they're part, in the movie he didn't really serve a purpose as Gordon should & of course he was about 200 pounds overweight to play him (sorry I had to say it)

Based on the Kane/Finger books. Gordon was perfect.

5. After the Joker Goon Chase with Batman/Vicki, the Batmobile is driving automatically without Batman & in a close up you can see a hand steering it inside the front window.

That's a movie flub. You can't count that as a "negative aspect" of the film. That's immature and stupid. BB makes flubs too, y'know.

6. The scene where Batman takes Vicki to the Batcave they enter into the secret tunnel & you see Vicki look back to see the entrance door close but how could she see whats behind her?? (This is a minor one but still it bugs me)

Again, you can't count a technical flub against a film like it's some kind of accuracy problem. If so, then BB can be held just as accountable.

7. During the Joker Parade scene you see Vicki try to drive away from the gas clouding the city but you can clearly see in the back her right side window is rolled down. (Another picky one)

See above.

9. Letting Vicki into the Batcave! I mean come on, thats probably the dumbest part of the movie.

Not at all. Not only do they hint that she figured it out on her own, but Alfred was doing it (as Alfred WOULD) to try and save Bruce from possible death at the hands of the Joker.

10. In the final battle scene with Batman & Joker, Batman says "You killed my parents" as Joker replies "I was young when I killed your parents" How would he know he killed his parents in the first place when he doesn't even know who Batman really is Bruce Wayne.

It is left for us to decide. Does he really know? Is he backpeddling to placate Batman? Does he remember the murder but not know who the kid actually was? Burton's smart in leaving it up to the viewer to decide.

11. Killing off The Joker, this might be the one that really ticked me off. They should of kept him alive for future use & bring a little mystery to it...

It's sensible in a film. This ain't the comic books. People aren't going to be too keen on a villain coming back on film. The general populace will treat it like "been there, done that." Only fans would be unfazed by a retreaded villain.

Thats all I could think of for now, there were a few I couldn't remember like the editing they screwed up on in the Joker/Goons trashing the art pieces but I'm sure everyone knows that one by now.

Counting tech flubs against a film is invalid and poor arguing. Accidents happen, and they can't be fairly counted against a film.

The Positives:

3. Vicki Vale, Kim really was great if you ask me & her look was close to the comics if I remember correctly.

Vicki is a redhead with short hair in the comics. Visually, Kim is really Silver St. Cloud.

Well thats about it, I'm sure there are a ton of things you guys can think of & comment on, remember these are just my opinions. I'll always love the movie no matter what, it never really gets old to me but I feel BB & The Dark Knight have & will blow this away...

Such backpeddling...

 

[Mr. Socko]

I didn't even read his last line LOL

 

[Batman_5]

Is it wrong to be nice?? I mean jeez, they are just are my opinions thats all I was saying, I have nothing against the man I've loved the movie all my life basically but you can't tell me there are no mistakes in it. If I hated the guy I'd admit it not cover it up believe me. Some were minor yes but 3, 4, 9, 10, & 11 were the BIG things that brought it down for me. It seems maybe you have an axe to grind with BB or Nolan? I didn't make this thread to argue over the movie, I just wanted all of your opinions & create a discussion. Also it was a comic book movie & your supposed to stay as true to them as possible and Burton did his own thing in some aspects which I think should of been changed to the true facts of Batman history. If you even watch the SE dvd the producers etc. even admit the mistakes saying they didn't want Vicki in the cave, not making Joker his parents murderer. So anyways I might be a new poster but I've been on these boards a long while & I'm first and foremost a Batman fan.

 

[Mr. Socko]

From a fan's POV, killing off the Joker was a bad move. But really, from a general POV, it honestly didn't matter. If Jack had survived, what would have happened? Burton would have still made Returns, Schumacher would have made his two films. What difference would leaving the Joker in prison as opposed to death have mattered if he was never brought back into another film?

The only thing I can think of is that the fanboys would have been secure knowing Jack was locked up in Arkham Aslyum during the events of Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin even though it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

 

[Batman_5]

To non fans of course it wouldn't matter but I think its just stupid to kill off his biggest villian in the first movie. He has never died in the comics that I know of so why would he die in the first Batman movie. We don't know what would have happened if they kept him around, I'm sure Burton could of tied him in somehow even if it was just a cameo. My point is you don't kill off one of the best villians in comics history just because you can...thats like killing Lex Luthor in the first Superman Movie it wouldn't of made sense.

 

[Gianakin_]

The Negatives:
1. Harvey Dent - Even though he was played by a great actor, Harvey has always been caucasian in the comics.

It's the exact opposite for me. I don't like he choice of actor for the role, but I couldn't care less if he was an Indian Dent. Billy Dee ws wrong for the part IMO.

2. Jim Gordon - Horrible casting on they're part, in the movie he didn't really serve a purpose as Gordon should & of course he was about 200 pounds overweight to play him (sorry I had to say it)

Keeping in mind that I don't really care about comic accuracy (or else I'd hate the Penguin and Catwoman), I agree. Not because of the actor himself, but of the role and his lines in general. Not yet a buffoon (until BF and B&R) but useless to me.

3. Joker doesn't have a name (Jack Napier) & never will at least thats how it should be I think.

Doesn't really bother me.

4. The murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents (obviously)

I agree. But not just for this film. I hate this kind of coincidences in movies generally.

5. After the Joker Goon Chase with Batman/Vicki, the Batmobile is driving automatically without Batman & in a close up you can see a hand steering it inside the front window.

6. The scene where Batman takes Vicki to the Batcave they enter into the secret tunnel & you see Vicki look back to see the entrance door close but how could she see whats behind her?? (This is a minor one but still it bugs me)

7. During the Joker Parade scene you see Vicki try to drive away from the gas clouding the city but you can clearly see in the back her right side window is rolled down. (Another picky one)

8. Joker shooting Bruce in Vicki's apartment showing only a tin metal dish stopping the bullet, its not really wrong but I doubt a pan would stop a bullet & I thought Bruce always wore a bullet proof vest? In one scene anyway...

Don't really matter.

9. Letting Vicki into the Batcave! I mean come on, thats probably the dumbest part of the movie.

But why?

10. In the final battle scene with Batman & Joker, Batman says "You killed my parents" as Joker replies "I was young when I killed your parents" How would he know he killed his parents in the first place when he doesn't even know who Batman really is Bruce Wayne.

I gues the explanation DocLathropBrown gave i a good one, and oneI had never thought of, but it never anyway really bugged me. When I get past that hes the Waynes' killer, of course.

11. Killing off The Joker, this might be the one that really ticked me off. They should of kept him alive for future use & bring a little mystery to it...

I agree. People didn't really get bored with Magneto returning, did they? Keep him alive if you don't use him, just let it open for the next director after you.

Thats all I could think of for now, there were a few I couldn't remember like the editing they screwed up on in the Joker/Goons trashing the art pieces but I'm sure everyone knows that one by now.

I didn't like the museum scene one bit, up to the point where Joker presents Alicia.

1. The character of Alfred, great acting....all around awesome performance

Yes.

2. The Joker, I'm sure several people will deny Jack was an awesome Joker but in my opinion he captured the character all around, the only thing I didn't like was he was a little overweight to play him but he made up for it.

A good Joker, but I'm not overly fond of him. Not the trash others try to make him to be, though.

3. Vicki Vale, Kim really was great if you ask me & her look was close to the comics if I remember correctly.

Not comic accurate, and I didn't like her generally. I didn't hate her, though. But I always cringe at the scene in the Batcave where she says she loves him (after on night?) and assumes that Bruce does too. And Bruce agrees?!?!?!

4. The Batmobile - I think everyone agrees the car rules

Yes, the car is the king.

5. The Batcave, even though they didn't show much of it, it was just designed well from the equipment he had & the darkness of it.

Agreed.

6. The character of Batman - Keaton did very well in the suit although there were restrictions. His voice was pretty good, his eyes/face told the story. I didn't really love his Bruce Wayne but it was pretty good all around (Fans are still half & half I think).

Agreed. In everything.

That's pretty much it from me, as well. The only new comment was the Vicky in the Batcave and her love rant, which I really despise. Other than that, I'm pretty covered.

 

[The Empire Ape]

To non fans of course it wouldn't matter but I think its just stupid to kill off his biggest villian in the first movie. He has never died in the comics that I know of so why would he die in the first Batman movie. We don't know what would have happened if they kept him around, I'm sure Burton could of tied him in somehow even if it was just a cameo. My point is you don't kill off one of the best villians in comics history just because you can...thats like killing Lex Luthor in the first Superman Movie it wouldn't of made sense.

Detective COmics #64, "The Joker walks the last mile". He is executed.

 

[Buttman]

The Negatives:
1. Harvey Dent - Even though he was played by a great actor, Harvey has always been caucasian in the comics.

It did bother me at one point, but I really couldn't care anymore. Billy Dee was great as the "Leader Dent." He wasn't exactly comic accurate, but with the ammount going on in the film I wouldn't expect them to take the time to do it. (Especially when you consider they had no plans for sequels.)

2. Jim Gordon - Horrible casting on they're part, in the movie he didn't really serve a purpose as Gordon should & of course he was about 200 pounds overweight to play him (sorry I had to say it)

This does get to me. Gordon, imo, is probably the weakest aspect in the Burton franchise. Just.. useless, really.

3. Joker doesn't have a name (Jack Napier) & never will at least thats how it should be I think.

It's never bothered me.

4. The murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents (obviously)

Although it's a little coincidential, I consider it fitting for the film. You need to look at this from the perspective that no sequels were planned. Batman had to come full circle in the length of one film, and the simpliest way to do this was to make Joker his parent's killer. It adds so much to those last few scenes, makes them more intense, more operatic, even Shakespearen in how coincidental and "one in a million" the chances of it happening are. The film would've been far more disjointed if some unknown thug was the killer of his parents. The average film-goer would've been saying "Why's he going after the Joker? Shouldn't he be after his parents killer?" All of the themes and metaphors of the "crime with a face" the comic explains would fly over the head of an audience member who only watches the film once. (The majority.)

8. Joker shooting Bruce in Vicki's apartment showing only a tin metal dish stopping the bullet, its not really wrong but I doubt a pan would stop a bullet & I thought Bruce always wore a bullet proof vest? In one scene anyway...

Well.. it didn't..? Is that your point that you disagree a sheet of metal couldn't stop a bullet while your cool with Batman and Vicki falling thousands of feet and then firing a Batline without ripping themselves in half? The thing with the bulletproof vest, I always thought that was stupid anyway. You can't hide something like a bulletproof vest under your shirt, they're huge SWAT things. Made more sense.

9. Letting Vicki into the Batcave! I mean come on, thats probably the dumbest part of the movie.

I didn't have a problem with it. Alfred sensed that Vicki was "the one" and knew that Bruce would never have the balls to tell her, even though he clearly wanted too/kept trying too. (Her apartment?) Hell, he did Bruce a favour in that regard.

10. In the final battle scene with Batman & Joker, Batman says "You killed my parents" as Joker replies "I was young when I killed your parents" How would he know he killed his parents in the first place when he doesn't even know who Batman really is Bruce Wayne.

As said earlier, it's always been my opinion that Joker had absolutely no idea that Batman was Bruce Wayne, and that he's probably left countless children orphans but you don't argue with the guy holding a gun (or really armour bound fist and high rooftop, I guess.) He was lying, stalling for time, saying what he assumed Batman wanted to hear, anything he could to prevent his own death. Or maybe he's only orphaned one kid and so remembers it quite well, but doesn't know the child's name. Either way, I'm almost certain Joker had no idea Batman was Bruce Wayne.

11. Killing off The Joker, this might be the one that really ticked me off. They should of kept him alive for future use & bring a little mystery to it...

Like I said earlier, it brought the whole revenge film aspect full circle, and completed the themes began. No sequels were attended, so what point would keeping Joker alive have? To show Batman's grew as a person, and while he did kill in the past coming face to face with his parent's killer has drove him to redemption and he forgives Jack? Is that really Burton's Batman? I don't think so. Jack brought about his own demise when he tried to shoot Batman on the catwalk, and the bullet deflected and hit him in the face. He tumbled over the ledge and "died." The rest of the film, he was on borrowed time metaphorically.

 

[Mr. Socko]

To non fans of course it wouldn't matter but I think its just stupid to kill off his biggest villian in the first movie. He has never died in the comics that I know of so why would he die in the first Batman movie. We don't know what would have happened if they kept him around, I'm sure Burton could of tied him in somehow even if it was just a cameo. My point is you don't kill off one of the best villians in comics history just because you can...thats like killing Lex Luthor in the first Superman Movie it wouldn't of made sense.

Joker was never even planned for use in any of the other Batman films.

Lex was used in every Superman movie.

Batman also never wore all black rubber in the comics. What's your point?

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I dont know why i bother typing on here,Socko says pretty much everything i think and better than i would.

 

[Batman_5]

As a huge Joker fan I just hated when they killed him off its dissapointing, yes Lex was used in more movies which was smart. I can't believe you think its just ok to kill Batman's nemesis, I don't think I'm the only one that was a little dissapointed?

 

[El Payaso]

The Negatives:
1. Harvey Dent - Even though he was played by a great actor, Harvey has always been caucasian in the comics.

I don't think they were planning to make him Two-Face. But yes, the world's not perfect. Kingpin was made a black man too and Luthor had hair in every scene but one in STM because Hackman refuse to shave his head.

Nothing too serious.

2. Jim Gordon - Horrible casting on they're part, in the movie he didn't really serve a purpose as Gordon should & of course he was about 200 pounds overweight to play him (sorry I had to say it)

The cast was good. Com. Gordon hasn't been a young skinny man always. There was Batman before Frank Miller. For being based on Bob Kane comics, Pat Hingle did a very good Gordon.

3. Joker doesn't have a name (Jack Napier) & never will at least thats how it should be I think.

I'm pretty sure his parents gave him a name.

This is merely one of those many changes comics suffer when adapted to big screen.

4. The murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents (obviously)

A character merging, obviously. It happens in every superhero movie or book adaptation.

5. After the Joker Goon Chase with Batman/Vicki, the Batmobile is driving automatically without Batman & in a close up you can see a hand steering it inside the front window.

Yeah, www.nitpickers.com, I love that site. You'll find there that every movie ever made has that kind of mistakes.

6. The scene where Batman takes Vicki to the Batcave they enter into the secret tunnel & you see Vicki look back to see the entrance door close but how could she see whats behind her?? (This is a minor one but still it bugs me)

You'll love www.nitpickers.com.

7. During the Joker Parade scene you see Vicki try to drive away from the gas clouding the city but you can clearly see in the back her right side window is rolled down. (Another picky one)

I think no one has ever posted this one at www.nitpickers.com. You could be the first one.

8. Joker shooting Bruce in Vicki's apartment showing only a tin metal dish stopping the bullet, its not really wrong but I doubt a pan would stop a bullet & I thought Bruce always wore a bullet proof vest? In one scene anyway...

I have seen movies where a medal or a Bible stops a bullet. The scene worked nevertheless.

9. Letting Vicki into the Batcave! I mean come on, thats probably the dumbest part of the movie.

In fact it was very much justified. Alfred spent bigh part of the movie trying to make Bruce an honest man to the girl he loves and he simply refused to do it or didn't do it in the end. Alfred forced his hand for Bruce's own good.

10. In the final battle scene with Batman & Joker, Batman says "You killed my parents" as Joker replies "I was young when I killed your parents" How would he know he killed his parents in the first place when he doesn't even know who Batman really is Bruce Wayne.

That's called guilt. Joker was saying anything to distract Batman while thinking how to get rid of him.

11. Killing off The Joker, this might be the one that really ticked me off. They should of kept him alive for future use & bring a little mystery to it...

Meh, everyone does it. I was glad B89 dared to be definitive about certain things.

And it seems to have become a tradition since Ra's died too.

Thats all I could think of for now, there were a few I couldn't remember like the editing they screwed up on in the Joker/Goons trashing the art pieces but I'm sure everyone knows that one by now.

Yes, we do. thanks to www.nitpickers.com

I feel BB & The Dark Knight have & will blow this away...

As long as they don't do something about the corny dialogue, cheesey one-liners and lousy action, it'll keep being a nice different vision at least as flawed as B89.

As a huge Joker fan I just hated when they killed him off its dissapointing, yes Lex was used in more movies which was smart. I can't believe you think its just ok to kill Batman's nemesis, I don't think I'm the only one that was a little dissapointed?

Why? Would you feel better if you're not the only one?

 

[Batman_5]

I know for a fact that I'm not the only one that didn't want the Joker to be killed off but I guess it wouldn't matter either way it's already over & done with. As for Ras in Begins he was killed or seemed to be but who knows, I'm sure he could've survived somehow, he is one of the most mysterious villians being immortal and all but I'm sure most of you will say I'm crazy. Also you think BB & TDK has & will have corny dialogue/action?? Maybe I read it wrong or maybe you watched a different movie then I did...

 

[teseract]

I know for a fact that I'm not the only one that didn't want the Joker to be killed off but I guess it wouldn't matter either way it's already over & done with. As for Ras in Begins he was killed or seemed to be but who knows, I'm sure he could've survived somehow, he is one of the most mysterious villians being immortal and all but I'm sure most of you will say I'm crazy. Also you think BB & TDK has & will have corny dialogue/action?? Maybe I read it wrong or maybe you watched a different movie then I did...

Corny? No it's worse than that. BB's dialogue is pretentious and cliche. (cringes everytime at that "It's not who I am..." diatribe)

 

[Samurai Pasta]

Please note that I haven't read the comics, but I have watched my Lord and Savior, BTAS.

1. Killing off Joker. Batman's arch nemesis should never die after being introduced for only a few weeks.
2. Allowing the citizens of Gotham to become comfortable enough around Joker.
3. Pat Hingle was a boring Gordon. I can't wait to see Oldman's Gordon in action again, and BTAS had a badass Gordon.
4. I hate the scene where Joker just appears at Vicky's apartment. The scene was done without tension at all. He just shows up.

Really, Jack's Joker was just not intense. I never felt uncomfortable around him and I never felt that he accomplished anything. Nor did I feel that Batman had to work that hard to take him down.

But I'm glad that this thread has turned into yet another stick up the ass Burton vs. Nolan thread.

 

[Batman_5]

It was intended to be a discussion just on 89 but I guess its turned into another Nolan vs. Burton. I love both movies but I can't say that 89 tops Begins or I'd be lying, there was nothing corny about the movie to me. I have to agree Oldman was perfect for Gordan & BTAS is really cool. I wish they could bring it back somehow or even create a new serious series like it.

 

[Samurai Pasta]

It was intended to be a discussion just on 89 but I guess its turned into another Nolan vs. Burton. I love both movies but I can't say that 89 tops Begins or I'd be lying, there was nothing corny about the movie to me. I have to agree Oldman was perfect for Gordan & BTAS is really cool. I wish they could bring it back somehow or even create a new serious series like it.

A perfectly fine post, to be torn apart in a few minutes.

 

[Bat Attack]

I don't even bother with the things it got right and wrong anymore, I'm just plain sick of it because it's such a repetitive argument that goes nowhere.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

same arguments, different thread title

 

[The Empire Ape]

Please note that I haven't read the comics, but I have watched my Lord and Savior, BTAS.

Then you are probably not the Number One... Guy to judge comic book movies after accuracy. (Don't want to bash you, it's not a bad thing). I think there are A LOT of people on this board who actually do not know the comics, especially the ones from before 90s, because there are not many tpbs.

1. Killing off Joker. Batman's arch nemesis should never die after being introduced for only a few weeks.

This is no problem. The Joker seemed to have died in every comic in the beginning. Stabbed by a knife, burned, fallen into an abyss... He could have been easily brought back. And yes, he could have even survived a fall from the cathedral.

2. Allowing the citizens of Gotham to become comfortable enough around Joker.

Again, where is the problem? The wolf who can look like a sheep. Makes him even MORE dangerous. Oh wait, yes, I know, the Joker is supposed to look teh scarrrry.

3. Pat Hingle was a boring Gordon. I can't wait to see Oldman's Gordon in action again, and BTAS had a badass Gordon.

Personal taste. He was not big in the movie, but since this was kind of start, an alliance between Gordon and Batman was not forged. This is more a fault of "Batman Returns". And BTW, i hate this word "badass" ("Bale was a badass", "The Joker will be a badass"). Uh.

4. I hate the scene where Joker just appears at Vicky's apartment. The scene was done without tension at all. He just shows up.

What kind of argument is this? There is a thing called "phonebook". This is just for bashing. In every movie is a scene where someone just appears. It was a great scene BTW, that mirrored Batman and the Joker.

Really, Jack's Joker was just not intense. I never felt uncomfortable around him and I never felt that he accomplished anything. Nor did I feel that Batman had to work that hard to take him down.

Well, Batman was almost killed And for the Joker not being intense... well, in some cases I've heard the argument, that Nicholson's Joker is just JNicholson playing himself and another argument is that his Joker was just an evil and violent 60s Romero Joker. I can understand both, but to say he was not intense... no. He was the Joker: funny and bad. Ledger's RonaldMcDonald-meets-the-razor-Joker will perhaps be more intense, but he will be less Joker. And BTW, in his best stories the Joker was not an insane serial killer, but more of an eccentric, sociopathic mastermind. He didn't kill for killing's sake but for a plan.

 

[Samurai Pasta]

I don't know what to tell ya. I didn't like Jack's Joker that much. Compared to the hyper, off the wall, and just plain fun HamillJoker, Jack just wasn't that great to me.

 

[The Empire Ape]

I don't know what to tell ya. I didn't like Jack's Joker that much. Compared to the hyper, off the wall, and just plain fun HamillJoker, Jack just wasn't that great to me.

that's okay.

 

[CFE]

Then you are probably not the Number One... Guy to judge comic book movies after accuracy. (Don't want to bash you, it's not a bad thing). I think there are A LOT of people on this board who actually do not know the comics, especially the ones from before 90s, because there are not many tpbs.

That would be me t: haha

But seriously, I'm very knowledgeable about the comics, and I know enough to state the obvious truth...

That judging comic book movies for accuracy is pointless and in the end will do nothing more than give you a headache.

BC we're dealing with characters with 70 year histories (or 40 years for the bulk of Marvel's characters) and the thing to keep in mind is that 70 years is a lot of material to draw inspiration from.

Batman is a character who's been around long enough that he is afforded multiple interpretations. And I think that's a very good thing.

It's better to have these varying concepts of the character (60s show, Burton, Schumacher, Nolan, TAS, etc.) BC that way it doesn't get boring. And also that way there's something for every kind of Batman fan.

If you're a fan of the bold, bright comic book world with colorful villains and sidekicks and gadgets you've got the Schumacher films. Or if you're a fan of the modern day Batman we're getting in the books now under the pens of Jeph Loeb or Greg Rucka we've got Nolan's films.

It's a win win situation for Batman fans.

CFE

P.S: I agree with Batattack. When it comes down to it, keeping this continuous debate over the pros and cons of the past films gets laboreous and tiresome most of the time. It's kind of fun once in awhile, but overall...