The Amazing Spider-Man The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

[The Shape]

And SM3's score,CGI and action sequences are imo the best in any CB movie till date,those are the only 3 things which make the movie worthwhile

Alright, then that says a lot about your opinion and I will no longer continue to discuss this with you. LOL

I have never heard or read anything like that statement here before. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that anyone in their right mind could believe that...

 

[Spiderdevil]

Alright, then that says a lot about your opinion and I will no longer continue to discuss this with you. LOL

I have never heard or read anything like that statement here before. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that anyone in their right mind could believe that...

A lot of people here do

The way you are talking is escapist mentality
You give me points on why I am wrong and I will tell you why I think I am right

Score-Never loved the score in SM1 and SM2 except the main theme which was brilliant,in SM3 they did exceedingly well here,especially the sandman and symbiote theme,the track when he is sitting above the church in the rain for example-very powerful.
For the record I also love Zimmer's score in the dark knight trilogy,especially in TDK(the joker theme is imo one of the best villian themes)

CGI-Sandman's birth-simply epic,Actually every CGI dealing with sandman is really well done,the way he flies and that police fight and the one in the armoured van and all.The only time the CGI looked a wee bit choppy was a few instances in the final fight when the blue screen looked apparent.
And Venom,whatever little we saw of him was excellent CGI

Fight scenes-Though I do agree that the 2 dealing with sandman could have been longer but they were actually pretty well done creatively,especially the one in the sewer.The one with Harry in the night sky was excellent and provided an excelleny contrast to the mostly day action in the trilogy.The final fight was also great though I agree we should have seen more Venom

Though I think TA pretty close to SM3 in the action department and some even call it better but I still prefer SM3's action

 

[The Shape]

A lot of people here do

The way you are talking is escapist mentality
You give me points on why I am wrong and I will tell you why I think I am right

Score-Never loved the score in SM1 and SM2 except the main theme which was brilliant,in SM3 they did exceedingly well here,especially the sandman and symbiote theme,the track when he is sitting above the church in the rain for example-very powerful.
For the record I also love Zimmer's score in the dark knight trilogy,especially in TDK(the joker theme is imo one of the best villian themes)

CGI-Sandman's birth-simply epic,Actually every CGI dealing with sandman is really well done,the way he flies and that police fight and the one in the armoured van and all.The only time the CGI looked a wee bit choppy was a few instances in the final fight when the blue screen looked apparent.
And Venom,whatever little we saw of him was excellent CGI

Fight scenes-Though I do agree that the 2 dealing with sandman could have been longer but they were actually pretty well done creatively,especially the one in the sewer.The one with Harry in the night sky was excellent and provided an excelleny contrast to the mostly day action in the trilogy.The final fight was also great though I agree we should have seen more Venom

Though I think TA pretty close to SM3 in the action department and some even call it better but I still prefer SM3's action

You can't be "wrong" because you're stating your opinion, but it is an odd point of view that I'm not familiar with. You're suggesting that out of all the comic book movies that have come before and after SM3, that SM3 has the best musical score, CGI, and fight sequences. My mind is boggled.

I would argue that everything you mentioned was better in Spider-man 2, The Amazing Spider-man, most Marvel movies (especially The Avengers), TDK, TDKR, etc. I could go on and on here.

The symbiote theme was more annoying than anything else as well as completely repetitive. I mean, the SM3 score is essentially the identical score to SM3 only with the additions of the symbiote theme and Sandman theme, which were both underwhelming.

And yeah, some of the Sandman effects were good (mostly his first transformation), but that's really about it. Almost all of the black suit Spidey CGI was lousy, probably because it was difficult to render such a dark color. If we're being honest, the CGI looked more than choppy in plenty of places and the green screen work was quite apparent. The entire final fight was like a big video game sequence, nothing special.

I'll say that the special effects were solid for the time that SM3 was made and released, but not noteworthy or memorable in any way, especially not now.

You clearly have a love for SM3 that remains to this day and there's nothing wrong with that. You have every right to love it and praise it, but I don't think you'll find many people in this world that agree with you.

 

[C. Lee]

Alright, then that says a lot about your opinion and I will no longer continue to discuss this with you. LOL

I have never heard or read anything like that statement here before. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that anyone in their right mind could believe that...

That's the second post in that thread in a short time calling into question someone's state of mind because they don't share your opinion. Be civil when discussing things...and learn to accept the fact that people who do not share your opinion are not wrong or defective, they are simply people with another opinion.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The score and fight sequences were better in SM3 than the Avengers and the other MCU films IMO. The Avengers had better effects, but it was made 5 years later, and technology has improved over the years. Excited to see how movies will look even 5 years from now!

 

[The Shape]

That's the second post in that thread in a short time calling into question someone's state of mind because they don't share your opinion. Be civil when discussing things...and learn to accept the fact that people who do not share your opinion are not wrong or defective, they are simply people with another opinion.

"Flaming" infraction? Yeesh.

 

[The Joker]

The harry-peter fight was brutal,Com'on

Way better than the so called 'epic' bane fights when both are hitting thin air

The Harry/Peter fight was brutal. One of my favorite fight scenes in the trilogy, and definitely the best fight in Spider-Man 3. But I wouldn't call it way better than the first Bane fight. The second one maybe, but not the first one. They're even steven IMO.

Both great brutal battles.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You didny get my point

Other villians like Green Goblin,DocOck are plausible,even if the possibility is very faint,even the venom is more plausible than Sandman,parasites are very common in nature and could be easily present in space aswell

As far as Sandman is concerned,the clothes and the necklace are not living things and hence cannot mutate,only his living body will.So his clothes and the necklace would fall down as they are,but since nobody wants to see a naked sandman,he is showed with his clothes since he has been invented and Raimi showed him like that

And your point still makes no sense. Obviously his clothes did transform with Marko, then so should have the necklace. Taking out that little continuity just takes out any plausibility that Raimi was at least trying to make and just make the necklace seem like some plot device that doesn't make sense when it stayed the same but Marko's clothes didn't.

I think Sandman was a great choice for a movie. If the movie wasn't so cluttered, I think there would have been a greater appreciation for the villain.

Sandman was indeed a nice choice but it wasn't so much that he was cluttered into S-M 3. Even if the film wasn't cluttered, people would still bring up the retcon being one of the worst decisions ever.

The music in SM3 was great, probably the best in the trilogy IMO. The sewer subway fight with Sandman had potential to be just as good as the train fight in SM2. If it was a few minutes longer, it probably would have been.

The fight between Batman and Bane was the only intense moment in the whole movie for me. And it wasn't all that great to me.

Speaking on intensity, TDKR was intense from beginning to end, imo, but the first fight between Bane and Batman was just outstanding and while the second fight wasn't so great compared to the first, I feel that Nolan finally was able to get some really good fight scenes in his trilogy before it ended.

 

[Doc Ock]

Its unfortunate, The Lizard is my favorite Spidey villain in the comics but the version we saw in TASM pale's in comaprison to Molina's Doc Ock and Dafoe's Norman Osborn. I even liked Thomas Haden Church more as Sandman. Only Venom is the only villain not better than the Lizard in my eyes. Rhys Ifans was great as Curt Connors, but his story was missing the family dynamic. One of my favorite things about Connors in the comics (besides his relationship with Peter) is the relationship he has with his family.

I'm kinda disappointed we never got to see Dylan Baker's Connors develop into the the Lizard in Raimi's films. Something I was excited about ever since he appeared in Spider-Man 2. But I am glad we finally got a on-screen Lizard, I just prefer the design with the snout and labcoat(I loved the short moments when the Lizard had the labcoat in the film):

Spoiler

Its funny my second favorite Spidey villain(Doc Ock) is actually my favorite villain on the big screen over my favorite villain.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Sandman was indeed a nice choice but it wasn't so much that he was cluttered into S-M 3. Even if the film wasn't cluttered, people would still bring up the retcon being one of the worst decisions ever.

Only some hardcore fans would be complaining about it. I am a hardcore fan, but if the movie was good enough, I would have still enjoyed it. These are the movies, not the comic books.

Speaking on intensity, TDKR was intense from beginning to end, imo, but the first fight between Bane and Batman was just outstanding and while the second fight wasn't so great compared to the first, I feel that Nolan finally was able to get some really good fight scenes in his trilogy before it ended.

This is just how I feel, that's all. If you found the entire film intense, then I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just hope for the Batman reboot (whenever that happens) we get to see some real Batman action scenes.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Its unfortunate, The Lizard is my favorite Spidey villain in the comics but the version we saw in TASM pale's in comaprison to Molina's Doc Ock and Dafoe's Norman Osborn.

Agreed.

Only some hardcore fans would be complaining about it. I am a hardcore fan, but if the movie was good enough, I would have still enjoyed it. These are the movies, not the comic books.

Or people who just hate retcons to begin with, like myself.

This is just how I feel, that's all. If you found the entire film intense, then I'm glad you enjoyed it. I just hope for the Batman reboot (whenever that happens) we get to see some real Batman action scenes.

That's all I can hope for with a Batman reboot as they'll probably never be as complex as Nolan's trilogy, imo. Generic CBMs for Batman will be next, lol.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's all I can hope for with a Batman reboot as they'll probably never be as complex as Nolan's trilogy, imo. Generic CBMs for Batman will be next, lol.

The Nolan films are complex, but there is still so much more you could do with Batman movies. I think it would be unfair to say that anything else would be generic.

 

[Anno_Domini]

How would it be unfair? While Nolan changed the look of the genre, Whedon did bring the genre back to just making straight-forward CBMs and with Warner Brothers trying to copy Marvel Studios, all we will be seeing now is straight-forward CBMs from WB that will try to copy Marvel Studios.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How would it be unfair? While Nolan changed the look of the genre, Whedon did bring the genre back to just making straight-forward CBMs and with Warner Brothers trying to copy Marvel Studios, all we will be seeing now is straight-forward CBMs from WB that will try to copy Marvel Studios.

Movies are always copying other movies in some way, shape or form. We know absolutely nothing about what the future Batman movies will be like, therefore it is unfair to call them generic. Are you saying that MOS will be generic, too?

 

[Spiderdevil]

You can't be "wrong" because you're stating your opinion, but it is an odd point of view that I'm not familiar with. You're suggesting that out of all the comic book movies that have come before and after SM3, that SM3 has the best musical score, CGI, and fight sequences. My mind is boggled.

I guess the score's liking matters from person to person but can you tell me a CBM having better CGI and Action?

I would argue that everything you mentioned was better in Spider-man 2, The Amazing Spider-man, most Marvel movies (especially The Avengers), TDK, TDKR, etc. I could go on and on here.

Action better in TDK and TDKR?
LAWL
And marvel movies except the two Iron man and Avengers have puke worthy CGI and thats when there isnt a single challenging task like the sandman

SM2? In terms of 'wow' moments,the train fight is the best but its the only action scene comparable to SM3 action.Quantity wise it lacks

And yeah, some of the Sandman effects were good (mostly his first transformation), but that's really about it. Almost all of the black suit Spidey CGI was lousy, probably because it was difficult to render such a dark color. If we're being honest, the CGI looked more than choppy in plenty of places and the green screen work was quite apparent. The entire final fight was like a big video game sequence, nothing special.

Black suit Spidey was an actual black suit,nothing CGI about that
And the green screen felt choppy in only a few instances.Other than that nothing felt choppy
You are just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking,almost everybody agrees that SM3 did well in those areas

I'll say that the special effects were solid for the time that SM3 was made and released, but not noteworthy or memorable in any way, especially not now.

You clearly have a love for SM3 that remains to this day and there's nothing wrong with that. You have every right to love it and praise it, but I don't think you'll find many people in this world that agree with you.

Its like that with the movie
Just because the story as such sucked,people tend to disregard it for the few positive aspects it has
I have never said that SM3 is a great film or anything,imo it doesnt stand in comparison to the first 2 but I acknowledge its positive aspects

 

[Anno_Domini]

Movies are always copying other movies in some way, shape or form. We know absolutely nothing about what the future Batman movies will be like, therefore it is unfair to call them generic. Are you saying that MOS will be generic, too?

Snyder, both Nolans and Goyer working on the film says no, but alas, we have nothing to say Man of Steel will be apart of WB's proposed Justice League universe either.

 

[Spiderdevil]

And your point still makes no sense. Obviously his clothes did transform with Marko, then so should have the necklace. Taking out that little continuity just takes out any plausibility that Raimi was at least trying to make and just make the necklace seem like some plot device that doesn't make sense when it stayed the same but Marko's

non living things cannot mutate,the necklace behaved correctly,its the clothes thats the actual flaw

 

[Picard Sisko]

Snyder, both Nolans and Goyer working on the film says no, but alas, we have nothing to say Man of Steel will be apart of WB's proposed Justice League universe either.

We still don't know anything about the possible JLA universe, so let's wait and see what they can come up with.

 

[Anno_Domini]

non living things cannot mutate,the necklace behaved correctly,its the clothes thats the actual flaw

The clothes are that way in the comics so if anything is flawed, it's the necklace. At least there is some resemblance in the comics. The necklace not changing is the real flaw of S-M 3's usage of Sandman.

We still don't know anything about the possible JLA universe, so let's wait and see what they can come up with.

Or I can just say Warner Brothers will try to make the Batman reboot as cheapened as they can. They are very hit and miss, as seen with Green Lantern.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Just because the concept is from the comics doesnt mean it cannot be flawed

 

[Anno_Domini]

Not saying that. Only saying the idea makes it look like the necklace not becoming sand is the flaw in the film and that's just how everyone except you takes it.

 

[Grievous]

You can't be "wrong" because you're stating your opinion, but it is an odd point of view that I'm not familiar with. You're suggesting that out of all the comic book movies that have come before and after SM3, that SM3 has the best musical score, CGI, and fight sequences. My mind is boggled.

I would argue that everything you mentioned was better in Spider-man 2, The Amazing Spider-man, most Marvel movies (especially The Avengers), TDK, TDKR, etc. I could go on and on here.

The symbiote theme was more annoying than anything else as well as completely repetitive. I mean, the SM3 score is essentially the identical score to SM3 only with the additions of the symbiote theme and Sandman theme, which were both underwhelming.

And yeah, some of the Sandman effects were good (mostly his first transformation), but that's really about it. Almost all of the black suit Spidey CGI was lousy, probably because it was difficult to render such a dark color. If we're being honest, the CGI looked more than choppy in plenty of places and the green screen work was quite apparent. The entire final fight was like a big video game sequence, nothing special.

I'll say that the special effects were solid for the time that SM3 was made and released, but not noteworthy or memorable in any way, especially not now.

You clearly have a love for SM3 that remains to this day and there's nothing wrong with that. You have every right to love it and praise it, but I don't think you'll find many people in this world that agree with you.

I enjoyed the Venom theme, especially how it starts off creepy then picks up in volume.

Sandman should not of even been in SM3. Raimi didn't know how to pull off Black Spidey simply becoming more aggressive and rethinking what Uncle Ben taught him. So what Raimi did was put Sandman in and tie it to Uncle Ben's murder and that way the movie would be about revenge. What was stupid is how in the first movie Peter doesn't kill Uncle Ben's killer but in SM3 he suddenly wants to. Might as well throw out all the life lessons Peter got as Spider-Man out the window. Peter pretty much kills Sandman (in his mind he thinks he is dead) and goes on with life as normal. But he goes into a Jazz club and acts stupid and then all of a sudden the symbiote is evil. Raimi did the symbiote story arch horribly in SM3. Spider-Man should of wanted the symbiote off after almost killing someone. Not a week or so after believing he killed Sandman. Horribly job done on the symbiote story and I see this as more of common sense, not a opinion.

 

[Jexx]

TASM2 is probably gonna finish the revenge plot that the Raimi trilogy restarted in SM3.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think he will bump into Uncle Ben's killer accidentally, rather than continue seeking his revenge.

 

[Jexx]

Yea, that's what I'm thinking. But I still think it'll happen.

Electro is not really gonna wear a suit right? Just black clothes and stuff? What if Peter sees someone that reminds him of Electro and runs after him, and it turns out to be the killer?