The Lone Ranger

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The first shoot out was great, the sound was so crisp. Take out all the forced comedy and this would have been a good movie.



**Spoiler-ish**

There's never really a transition from the uptight John Reid to the tougher Lone Ranger. It's pretty much just uptight John with a mask on.

There was a row over in the middle from me, 5 of them laughed at every little comedy bit not a little haha but grabbing their stomach head leaned back laughter. Some of the comedy in this was just so dumb and ridiculous. :dry:
 
"Never do that again!" is legitimately the hardest I have laughed at a movie since... Anchorman. I don't even know why, but it killed me.

The first shoot out was great, the sound was so crisp. Take out all the forced comedy and this would have been a good movie.



**Spoiler-ish**

There's never really a transition from the uptight John Reid to the tougher Lone Ranger. It's pretty much just uptight John with a mask on.

There was a row over in the middle from me, 5 of them laughed at every little comedy bit not a little haha but grabbing their stomach head leaned back laughter. Some of the comedy in this was just so dumb and ridiculous. :dry:
Like? I found the vast majority to either be straight up funny, or so weird (the ivory leg) that I couldn't help but chuckle.
 
Some of y'all need to understand that some of the things that don't make you laugh and make you go "Why the **** are these people laughing", will make somebody else laugh. I'm frequently baffled when I see people chuckling at something in a movie, but it just means that they think it's funny and I don't.
 
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This was not Adam Sandler changing his voice type humor. This was legit, and at times strange, stuff.
 
The humor was much more deadpan like I said. There was slapstick, but not like cartoonish ****. More like Buster Keaton stuff.
 
I disagree. I can't see a $250 million+ Lone Ranger film ever being allowed to enter production without an A-list star in one of the main roles (yet John Carter does exist). This was a deliberate attempt by Depp to confront some of the poor Indian iconography in Hollywood films, however ill-executed, so making complaints about Depp's dubious ancestry as if this is some kind of minstrel show is unfair. But then again, I'm not automatically against actors playing people of other races. Gary Oldman could almost certainly do a good anyone. Elements of hyperbolic parody, condescension, and mockery need to be there for censure to be justifiably potent, in my opinion, not just the appropriation of jobs from actors of the underrepresented race/background.

I've seen this argument to varying degrees made before. And it begs the question, why does a Lone Ranger film have to be 250+ million dollars?

Of course that price tag would make any movie company very skittish and conservative in their casting choices, which unfortunately in the case of this Lone Ranger film pushed aside any concerns the executives and filmmakers might have had regarding redface or whitewashed casting.

A smaller budgeted film wouldn't have had all that pressure on it, nor likely would the filmmakers felt the need to stuff it with all kinds of stuff in an attempt perhaps to appeal to every audience they could (I haven't seen the film, but that's a general sense that I get from all many of the reviews I've read).

This movie still could've had Depp in it, without him playing Tonto. He could've been the Lone Ranger, Cavendish, or Cole easy.

From what I've read of Depp's reasons for wanting to play Tonto, for helping to correct past stereotypical portrayals, of setting the record straight (my paraphrasing, not his actual words), I can see how that is coming from a noble place.

But the idea of a white man (albeit one with alleged and murky Native American ancestry) to take it upon himself to make this correction by playing Tonto reinforces how much Tonto was a white man's creation, a white person's idea of what a Native American was and perhaps to some, still is. White people can't tell everyone's story, and even if they could, they shouldn't. Some things are not for them to tell.

Perhaps Depp couldn't see that if he wanted to redeem the character of Tonto, to make him a more accurate representative of the 19th century Native American or Native American experience that the character should've been played by a Native American actor for starters, if possible one that was specific to the group the film's Tonto now derived from. Second, Depp could've worked hard to make sure the film depicted Tonto and other Native American characters in the film and whites reactions to them as historically accurate as possible.

I like the idea of subverting stereotypes but I think Depp choosing to be Tonto undercut the ideas he probably had in mind.
 
Apparently over the years, Clayton Moore rescued several people who got lost in the woods near his home... in full costume. That's kind of amazing.
 
So, Cinemascore gives The Lone Ranger a B+. Is that good or bad?
 
Good. Means audiences are overall enjoying it, while I disagree with that score I say Cinemascore is the best way to judge a movie
 
If you want to see this movie, watch the Mask of Zorro. Its the same exact plot and 100x better.
So who plays the older Lone Ranger who trains Hammer?
You did say the same exact plot and there were two Zorros in that film.
 
Some of y'all need to understand that some of the things that don't make you laugh and make you go "Why the **** are these people laughing", will make somebody else laugh. I'm frequently baffled when I see people chuckling at something in a movie, but it just means that they think it's funny and I don't.

Well for me it wasn't that the stuff wasn't funny it's that it doesn't belong in a Lone Ranger movie. Like did they really have to make a joke out of
Tonto burying the Rangers after a brutal ambush
then literally
having the Lone Ranger drug through crap for no reason other than to get a laugh
the you have the scene where
Silver is standing in a tree with the Lone Rangers hat on
Was there really a need for this scene?
And the one where
the Lone Ranger kills two guys not meaning two and it becomes a joke because he was just firing a warning shot while the rest of the movie he is a pacifist
If this was a buddy western that was a comedy then I would have been laughing at this stuff my self.

I honestly think I would have been less disapointed if the movie would have just been out and out bad. But the fact that it had moments of greatness just left me shaking my head. I actually liked Tonto's back story and how they tired his and the Lone Rangers stories together but Depp's over the top zaniness just makes me lose any intrest in the character. I give the movie a 6/10 only because of what I consider the good points and I say if your on the fence about TLR stay at home and save your money or go see something else.
 
I agree lespaul. Those moments were ridiculous.
 
Did you people not see the trailers? I'm baffled by some of these responses. No one cares about The Lone Ranger. They only made this movie to duplicate the success of Pirates of the Caribbean.
 
Did you people not see the trailers? I'm baffled by some of these responses. No one cares about The Lone Ranger. They only made this movie to duplicate the success of Pirates of the Caribbean.

People care about the Lone Ranger just not anyone born in the last 30 years.
 
People care about the Lone Ranger just not anyone born in the last 30 years.


Apparently. I enjoyed the film , but knew what I was getting myself into. I doubt a joyless gritty reboot would of fared much better.
 
Apparently. I enjoyed the film , but knew what I was getting myself into. I doubt a joyless gritty reboot would of fared much better.

It didn't have to be that either. I don't think people were clammoring for a Zorro or Pirates film either, but those turned out to be sensibly made and fun. This swings between brutality and unfunny jokes.
 
It didn't have to be that either. I don't think people were clamoring for a Zorro or Pirates film either, but those turned out to be sensibly made and fun. This swings between brutality and unfunny jokes.


I do agree that it could of been better, but I enjoyed most of the humor. It probably seems peculiar to jump between comic beats and violent death , but it was done so they could get away with more. I could just imagine Armie's character dropping to knees after accidentally killing those two henchmen and screaming like Superman while Tonto tried to comfort him. It just wouldn't have worked.
 
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One man's unfunny, is another man's hilarious.
 
Will Fitchner's convinced he can do an antagonist well, bring on The Shredder or Eric.
 
THE LONE RANGER

As you probably know, both the Lone Ranger and the Green Hornet were created by George W. Trendle. Trendle not only created them but also made them relatives: John Reid (Lone Ranger) is Britt Reid's (Hornet) great-uncle. Tragedy here comes when both characters are treated by Hollywood as a mere excuse for a poor and bland comedy. Again the clunky hero and the cunning sidekick.

This film is almost an insult to the characters (Lone Ranger, sure, but also Tonto) and one of the biggest collection of flawed jokes and slapstick humor I've had the displeasure of witnessing. Coup de grace being Johnny Depp in a pallid and lazy variation of Jack Sparrow.

At points, the mixture of this screwball comedy attempt and the violence makes this movie even harder to digest. Not to mention it never ends.

Except maybe for the usual exciting final confrontation (accompanied by the classic William tell overture trying to recover some of the old tradition and dignity of the main character), this is a movie to forget.

1/5


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Go see this. Seriously. I honestly have no idea what people complaining about this film are talking about. This is probably better then the first Pirates. I am shocked, absolutely shocked that anyone can call this a bad movie.

Better than the first Pirates? I'm not sure it's better than the third Pirates. And I HATED the third Pirates!
 
I usually wouldn't say this. Usually I respect critics. But they are dead wrong about this film. I understand a lot of you and the critics don't like Depp now. I don't get it, but I understand that is how some of you feel. If this movie came out in 2003 the majority would have lost their minds. This was the first Pirates film, with a male lead that can actually act.

Depp was great here. Hammer was great. The whole cast is great. The film is swift, hilarious and insanely fun.

The film is the Lone Ranger by the way of Leone, mainly Once Upon a Time in the West. The reference to great Westerns are integrated seamlessly, and Zimmer's ode to Morricone, specifically Harmonica, is brilliant.

And what is this bull about this film noting being viewable for kids? 5 years old, yeah, I get that. I wouldn't show a 5 year old the first Pirates either. But This film doesn't even approach Temple of Doom craziness. This is Raiders in terms of content.

I don't hate Depp. ****, I even disliked Dark Shadows vehemently, but praised his performance. He is a great actor, even in boring films (cough-Alice in Wonderland-cough). However, his performance this time was just blah. It wasn't what killed the movie though. What killed it is how lifeless and joyless it was constructed around it. The first Pirates had a wink and charm to it. This is more like the bloated sequels. All CGI and overbudgeted stunts with no plot that does a disservice to its characters.

P.S. If it was referencing older westerns, I'd look more to John Ford. Besides being shot in Monument Valley (like nearly every Ford western), they co-op the plot of Armie Hammer coming to town after being gone a near-decade and finding his brother has married his childhood sweetheart who he is in love with. There is even some suspicion if the child is his. Very Searchers.

Also, I heard Bruckheimer say that Armie Hammer brings a "Jimmy Stewart" quality, which tells me they were thinking of their Lone Ranger as a version of Jimmy Stewart's character from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence...a city boy with high ideals roughed up by the reality of the West, with Tonto in place of John Wayne.

Still does not make it a good movie, however.
 
this is not better than the first pirates please!this is a 250mill turd john carter was better than this.
 
Just found this:

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This is the painting by Kirby Sattler called "I am Crow". It is the painting that inspired Tonto's look. Depp said, "I’d actually seen a painting by an artist named Kirby Sattler, and looked at the face of this warrior and thought: That’s it. The stripes down the face and across the eyes... It seemed to me like you could almost see the separate sections of the individual, if you know what I mean."
 
I think the first Pirates is a borderline adventure classic. I'd be shocked if Lone Ranger was better than it.
 
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