The Lone Ranger

[MR Black]

Looks like TLR recovered a bit. Looking at a 12M Wednesday and about 60-65 for the holiday. Not great, but much better than I expected from a weak preview showing on Tuesday.

I hope it does recover because if you look at Depp and Verbinski and their track record. ( excluding Rango ) From the first Pirates to this latest effort
their spending more and more money but getting worse reviews and
and making less money for the studio.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The last action sequence was worth the price of admission

Absolutely. I shot the bull with people that were at my screening and they were all very impressed by it. The thing that works best about a finale that delivers is it makes you forget some of the minor things you didn't like leading up to it.

Mike Ryan from HuffPo gave it a negative review but said this:

"It's actually a shame that one of the most well-constructed recent examples of action is in a movie that a lot of people might not see. For all of the valid complaints about the ending of a movie like Man of Steel -- involving what has to be thousands of people on a massive scale resulting in widespread destruction -- here comes an ending that involves just a few characters, two trains and a horse. And most importantly, the sequence is so well filmed that there's never any confusion as to what any character is doing at any time. It's a grand game of musical chairs orchestrated by Verbinski, one of the best in the business at this sort of thing. If The Lone Ranger tanks, I hope Disney just tacks on the ending to Thor: The Dark World, just to prevent that ending from going to waste."

 

[Poni_Boy]

Wouldn't say they make less as they go along. On Stranger Tides made $1 bil worldwide and is the twelfth highest grossing movie of all time

 

[warhorse78]

Oh definitely. Butch to me is the best villain of any big budget movie out this year by a mile (so far at least).

Went back today to see it. Loved it even more. It's just so damn fun, and after MOS and Star Trek I needed a fun summer movie.

If they had lost the narrative stuff and cut about 10 minutes out of the second act it would have clocked in a about 110 minutes which is perfect.



From what i recall disney had the slot first. Could be mistaken though.

I think several things could have been cut.

Spoiler

The narrative like you said. The showing of the bank robbery in the beginning, don't know why we couldn't just start from where Reid and Tonto meet the first time. Also, the following of the horse just so it could die and be kicked by Tonto I didn't care for. Don't see why, if Silver is a spirit horse, he could have lead them to the tracks. And the whole thing with the monster rabbits was ridiculous. Take that crap out, and this movie would have been great.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I think several things could have been cut.

Spoiler

The narrative like you said. The showing of the bank robbery in the beginning, don't know why we couldn't just start from where Reid and Tonto meet the first time. Also, the following of the horse just so it could die and be kicked by Tonto I didn't care for. Don't see why, if Silver is a spirit horse, he could have lead them to the tracks. And the whole thing with the monster rabbits was ridiculous. Take that crap out, and this movie would have been great.

Agree with all of this. I loved the [BLACKOUT]bank robbery because it made me laugh watching them make fun of a 'money shot' so early on, but if they cut the narrative framing that would be cut out too and I wouldn't complain.[/BLACKOUT]

Almost everything you've said positively/negatively I commented on in my review

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not sure if any of you are into collecting art but I'm trying to pressure my buddy Paul into making a Lone Ranger poster. He's been listening to Zimmer's score and wants to throw one together. His work is phenomenal I already have three pieces up in my place. If you're interested let him know @PaulShipper

http://paulshipperstudio.com/

 

[Tony Stark]

I really hope this does well enough to green light a sequel. I would love to see what they can do with the characters, now that they got the origin story out of the way.

I also loved how they made this like a "buddy cop" film, I think it helped explain why Tonto and Reid would work together, which was really glossed over in other incarnations.

A few purists may be mad about the change in John and Tonto not knowing each other as children, and the change to what "Kemsabe" means,but I think it makes the story stronger.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well it's one of those things that all makes sense in the context of the story. What Kemosabe means, why he doesn't kill, the silver bullets, why he rides a white horse, the catchphrase, why we wears the mask, etc, etc. It all had to be updated to not induce consistent eye rolling. And I'm really glad they left out all of Clayton Moore's Lone Ranger "principles." I love the guy to death and he'll always be The Lone Ranger to be, but you I'm so happy they chose to offer morality without pushing a religious agenda.

 

[MR Black]

Wouldn't say they make less as they go along. On Stranger Tides made $1 bil worldwide and is the twelfth highest grossing movie of all time

I'm not be technical but I believe Rob Marshall directed On Stranger Tides not sure if Verbinski was a producer or not. That point being that is I feel this style of movie is getting stale.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Stale? Maybe I'm alone in this opinion on here but there's a serious lack of fun adventure movies coming out in the summer months. There's no more Zorro a Pirates movie once every two/three years isn't enough to balance out all the dark/tormented/serious summer movies. Love Marvel to death but I don't want to have to wait for the next Marvel movie everytime I need lighter blockbuster fare.

 

[Raiden]

If The Lone Ranger tanks, maybe Disney would try to fast-track Avengers 2 to recoup their losses.

 

[warhorse78]

I really hope this does well enough to green light a sequel. I would love to see what they can do with the characters, now that they got the origin story out of the way.

I also loved how they made this like a "buddy cop" film, I think it helped explain why Tonto and Reid would work together, which was really glossed over in other incarnations.

A few purists may be mad about the change in John and Tonto not knowing each other as children, and the change to what "Kemsabe" means,but I think it makes the story stronger.

I too also hope it does well enough to get a sequel. Granted, the box office isn't the only place where it could do or die, it will be interesting to see how well it does on home dvd, and this is Disney. The are probably the most wealthiest movie studio right now, perhaps they can afford a bomb and go lower scale next time out.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Oz and Tony Stark say hello. Disney has very little to lose this year

 

[MR Black]

I really hope this does well enough to green light a sequel. I would love to see what they can do with the characters, now that they got the origin story out of the way.

I also loved how they made this like a "buddy cop" film, I think it helped explain why Tonto and Reid would work together, which was really glossed over in other incarnations.

A few purists may be mad about the change in John and Tonto not knowing each other as children, and the change to what "Kemsabe" means,but I think it makes the story stronger.

I just to don't think its going to make enough money for Disney to warrant a sequel. I'm sure all the actors involved have sequel options in their contracts.

 

[MR Black]

Stale? Maybe I'm alone in this opinion on here but there's a serious lack of fun adventure movies coming out in the summer months. There's no more Zorro a Pirates movie once every two/three years isn't enough to balance out all the dark/tormented/serious summer movies. Love Marvel to death but I don't want to have to wait for the next Marvel movie everytime I need lighter blockbuster fare.

For me it might be just be a Depp problem. I also think he needs to branch away from Burton and vice versa. Also the laughs not as strong this time around.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Deadline has 10mil, I'd say it's already tanked unless it has Pirates 1 style legs.

 

[Symbiotic]

I don't care how much money this movie never makes. I'm owning it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't care how much money this movie never makes. I'm owning it.

They didn't do a cash grab 3D release. That gets another from me

 

[warhorse78]

I don't care how much money this movie never makes. I'm owning it.

Ditto. Kickass wasn't exactly a critic darling, and did dismal at the BO, but damn, it has to be one of my most favorite movies of all time. At least in the top 5 for me. (The Man From Snowy River, Independence Day, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1990, Kick Ass, The Black Stallion, Django Unchained, Avengers, Adventures in Babysitting, Posse, Bad Boys 2, Star Trek are in my tops right now.)

 

[Bruce Malone]

Despicable Me 2 is being pegged for $100m over the 5 day holiday vs 55 as a high end estimate for TLR.

I'm sure it opening in the same time frame as DM 2 wasn't going to help things, i assume there is a good deal of cross-over demo between the two?

 

[warhorse78]

Despicable Me 2 is being pegged for $100m over the 5 day holiday vs 55 as a high end estimate for TLR.

I'm sure it opening in the same time frame as DM 2 wasn't going to help things, i assume there is a good deal of cross-over demo between the two?

Alot of parents did bring in their young kids to TLR.

 

[Tony Stark]

They didn't do a cash grab 3D release. That gets another from me

Make that 3x

 

[TheVileOne]

Well it's one of those things that all makes sense in the context of the story. What Kemosabe means, why he doesn't kill, the silver bullets, why he rides a white horse, the catchphrase, why we wears the mask, etc, etc. It all had to be updated to not induce consistent eye rolling. And I'm really glad they left out all of Clayton Moore's Lone Ranger "principles." I love the guy to death and he'll always be The Lone Ranger to be, but you I'm so happy they chose to offer morality without pushing a religious agenda.

Kemosabe does not mean what is said in the movie. It actually means "trusted friend."

Honestly, I'm Jewish and I wouldn't have minded some spiritualism. I can still enjoy things like Ben-Hur and be inspired by the symbolism and imagery. To me it's not a bad thing. It was done with subtlety I think it would've been ok.

 

[Tony Stark]

Alot of parents did bring in their young kids to TLR.

I took my kids. The Clayton Moore TV show was a huge part of my childhood, and I wanted my kids to have that experience.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I doubt it's going to hit 55mil but I've been wrong before and will be again. I'm going to wait for it's full Holiday weekend to see how it fairs but Disney has to be in full panic mode right now. The release date was always iffy but in Disney's defense box office is unpredictable...still the same weekend as an Animated movie most were predicting to make at least 250mil domestically? Okay.