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Since "Spider-Man: Far From Home" it's not uncommon to see people on the internet referring to the main MCU universe as "Earth 616".

Wasn't this just part of Mysterio's lie and never mentioned by anyone else?

Earth 616 is the main Marvel comic book universe.

The MCU is Earth 199999.
 
It seems that online the MCU Earth is considered Earth-199999, but I can't find a source where that is canon.
So idk.
 
What if the MCU is -- wait for it -- completely unrelated to the comics multiverse continuity, because it's a movie adaptation?
 
Since Multiverse of Madness this has more than ever become a contentious topic among fans, and I'm interested in peoples' thoughts on the MCU's designation.

Personally I will still be referring to the MCU as 199999, because I'm used to saying "616" when referring to the mainstream comics universe and have in the past used this designation specifically to differentiate from the MCU (saying things like "In the MCU this character is like this, but that's different from the 616 version where it's like this"). I think it's just way more practical to have different designations regardless of whether they're in different mediums. I'm probably gonna use "616" to differentiate from the MCU at one point and it's going to be confusing.

That said, I am aware that there's some kind of barrier between the comics multiverse and the movie multiverse. For example (Multiverse of Madness spoilers):
By the end of MoM there should be 1 America Chavez and 0 Darkholds in the multiverse as presented by the MCU. That's of course not the case in the comics and won't be affecting the comics.
The multiverse as presented in both mediums is not entirely the same, but I prefer to see that as the multiverse being clustered in some way with the gap between clusters being extra hard to bridge, rather than them being impossible to be connected at all.

What do you think?

I'm happy to at least have one other fan on my side :cwink:
 
The simple fact is that the MCU as it exists in movies and TV is more important than the Marvel universe that exists in the comics. More people watch it, know it, and care about it than probably every comic that has been written in the past 30 years combined.
 
It doesn't matter much to me.
But I did hear about it. I think it's silly that they tried to make the MCU 616. I get the movies are more popular and bring in more money than the comics. BUt it kinda feels like they're pushing the comics aside.

But as I said it doesn't matter much to me. It doesn't sway me either way when it comes to the MCU
 
MadVillainy said:
It doesn't matter much to me.
But I did hear about it. I think it's silly that they tried to make the MCU 616. I get the movies are more popular and bring in more money than the comics. BUt it kinda feels like they're pushing the comics aside.

But as I said it doesn't matter much to me. It doesn't sway me either way when it comes to the MCU
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I also don’t care but I don’t see it as silly, at least not anymore silly than ITSV having the universe that Peter B. Parker is from also being called ‘616’ despite it being clear that universe isn’t the same comics 616 universe.

I see 616 as just a general designation to refer to the prime reality of a continuity’s multiverse. Either way, it’s no big deal.
 
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Detective Conan said:
I also don’t care but I don’t see it as silly, at least not anymore silly than ITSV having the universe that Peter B. Parker also being called ‘616’ despite it being clear that universe isn’t the same comics 616 universe.

I see 616 as just a general designation to refer to the prime reality of a continuity’s multiverse. Either way, it’s no big deal.
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Oh see I didn't even realize or remember they said that the one universe in Spider-Verse was 616. And I still love Spider-Verse. So yeah we're in agreement it's not a big deal.
Just something for us nerds to talk about.
 
The idea that movies make more money so they're more important and central is very offputting to me, the comics are what came first and what got longtime fans to love them and have lasted long and what new fans can also come to and enjoy.

Maybe real petty but I also didn't like that MCU took the Earth-199999 designation, that should have been used for the X-Men films or Spider-Man films universes as they started active production in the late '90s.
 
Good ol' Wiki:

The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z, Vol. 5, published in 2008, designated the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Earth-199999 within the continuity of Marvel's comic multiverse, a collection of fictional alternate universes.

In Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, the main universe of MCU events was designated as Earth-616 (a designation first referenced in Spider-Man: Far From Home), sharing the name of the main Marvel Comics universe, while another universe was designated as Earth-838.

It doesn't really matter to me either way. But if the MCU is Earth-199999 and the comics are Earth-616, I can live with that...
 
Herofan said:
The idea that movies make more money so they're more important and central is very offputting to me, the comics are what came first and what got longtime fans to love them and have lasted long and what new fans can also come to and enjoy.
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In terms of history comics will always be more important as they set the initial foundation - without them the movies literally don’t exist, but at the same time if we’re talking purely in terms of current relevance or the thing that most of the population is familiar with then the movies clearly win over the comics. The fact of the matter is few people read comics compared to the vast number who watch the movies.

The movies are the ones that define and influence the mainstream perception of these characters, and set the standard for other media portrayals. For example, fee people care about Iron Man from the comics and other media outside movies. The most popular version of the character will always be the RDJ movie version. RDJ’s version is so influential that it basically changed the character forever. Notice that comics and cartoons after the very first Iron Man are pretty much modeled offer the RDJ portrayal.
 
If the movies call themselves 616 and the comics call themselves 616....I don't care. Different mediums. I don't care
 
I feel like Feige reacted to this one of two ways:

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or:

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What's weird for me is the numbering of these alternative universes are so big, like they just randomly picked a number from 1 to 1 trillion. Like what is Earth 615 and Earth 617 then?

I wish the comics were organized, and started with the prime universe as Earth 1.
 
psylockolussus said:
What's weird for me is the numbering of these alternative universes are so big, like they just randomly picked a number from 1 to 1 trillion. Like what is Earth 615 and Earth 617 then?

I wish the comics were organized, and started with the prime universe as Earth 1.
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I actually like the idea that the numbering scheme doesn't entirely revolve around "our" Earth. Its like it was invented by someone else with a different or larger sphere of concern, and that while "our" Earth may be special in that its the one we are familiar with, its not necessarily privileged in a cosmic sense. For all that Marvel is an upbeat heroic setting, it also traditionally has an undertone of cosmicism or even outright cosmic horror hanging in the background. "Your Earth is one of hundreds known, and while it might be special its not *that* special" fits this well.
 
We all need to watch Ms. Marvel, if only to support Iman!

She seems awesome :yay:
 
Batgirl0202 said:
We all need to watch Ms. Marvel, if only to support Iman!

She seems awesome :yay:
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Looks like she knows her stuff. I think I will wait for Ms Marvel to finish and then binge the show. I wish they would air new episodes of Obi-Wan and Ms Marvel on different days.
 
SirStrangefolk said:
That said, I am aware that there's some kind of barrier between the comics multiverse and the movie multiverse. For example (Multiverse of Madness spoilers):
By the end of MoM there should be 1 America Chavez and 0 Darkholds in the multiverse as presented by the MCU. That's of course not the case in the comics and won't be affecting the comics.
The multiverse as presented in both mediums is not entirely the same,
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This is how I see it, they're different multiverses but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I'm not loosing sleep over it.
 
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