The MCU's biggest mistakes

[Venom 1988]

The biggest mistake is that they didnt make Fanstatis Four with a other vilians then Dr Doom.
The Super Skrull ; Annihilus ; Grand Master would be perfect vilians together with a plotline for secret invasion with them in a main spot for a Avengers next coming.
Also a movie with Galactus should focus on Galactus invasion and his diffrent minions.
Silver surfer should have gotten own sepperate movie or short story in the movie.

Dr Doom would be a good vilian for Iron man, captain america, spiderman and fantastic four.
Also a cross over with the Hulk and thing could be hillarious.

How is this an MCU mistake? They don't even have the rights to use the Fantastic Four.

 

[InCali]

Whiplash didn't get his burt.
Jane Foster
Mandarin
Vision lifting Mjolnir (In the fight with Thanos, Cap lifts it and says "Avengers Assemble").

There are, of course, more, but not a bad record over a period of 10 years.

 

[TheVileOne]

As much as I liked Shaun of the Dead, it feels like a huge mistake to have sat on the characters of Hank and Janet because someone, someday, if he ever got around to it, wasn't going to make a movie about them anyway (and the script he turned over didn't have Janet in it at all, so it was a double waste that she didn't get to be in the Avengers movie, since he didn't have any plan on using her at all!).

Even if they'd been introduced in tiny sequences mid-battle-of-Manhattan, and Fury had responded to Iron Man asking about what he was seeing with 'You think you are the only remarkable people I know?' it would have set them up to appear for real in later films. (Hank could have appeared as a giant figure that sprang up next to one of the flying leviathans and wrestled it down to the ground, shrinking out of sight as fast as it happened, leading to Iron Man's outburst. Janet could have shown up when Hawkeye ran out of arrows, and said over comms he needed a fresh quiver, and a woman's voice replying that she's on it. Moments later, a tiny figure throws something at his feet which grows into a fresh quiver full of arrows, and she streaks off and takes out a Chitauri flying sled by zapping the pilot in the face. 30 seconds added to runtime, maybe, and they are ready to use in the next movie.)



Yeah. Whedon likes his bait-and-switch's, and he was telegraphing hard that Hawkeye was going to die. (Which is traditionally what happens when a character who hasn't had a past suddenly starts talking about home and family and a farm and 'wanted to see Montana' and thinking about retirement.)

Instead, Quicksilver, who I found a much more comics-accurate version than the Fox time-manipulator version (who can *listen to music at normal speed while bullets stand still around him*), is the one to kind of undramatically die (so undramatically that Hawkeye pretty much jokes about it while lounging near the corpse).

I didn't like Age of Ultron for many reasons, but the pointless death of Quicksilver was near top of the list.

Other quibbles;

Chris Evans has been an unexpected but excellent Captain America. Robert Downey Jr. has redefined Tony Stark so much that comic-book Stark has been written to be more like him. Scarlet Johanssen is a great Black Widow, and I like her more than the comic book version. Mark Ruffalo is a great Hulk, and, more importantly, the most engaging version of Banner I've seen.

And then there's Chris Hemsworth. Big goofy smiling charming Australian surf-jock rom-com gleepy boyfriend material. *NOT* a thousand year old super-intimidating god of war and thunder that even Captain America and Nick Fury find impressive and commanding and a tiny bit scary. I've got nothing against Hemsworth, I think he'd blow Zac Efron away in the sort of movies that Zac Efron gets cast in, but he's no Thor. At least Thor: Ragnarok gave up on trying to walk away from his strengths and went full comedy with him.

And Jeremy Renner. I don't blame him for Hawkeye getting crappy lines and some crappy plotting (that results in his character being most effective when mind-controlled by Loki, for instance). I do blame him for making me regret that Quicksilver saved his life, since Quicksilver, in a third the time, was way more fun a character. Also, the man is a gaffe machine. Multiple times during the Age of Ultron cast appearances, he had to be apologized for, for saying stupid misogynistic crap about the women's salaries, or that the Black Widow was a giant **** for being teased at shipping with Cap (who she never slept with), his character (who she never slept with) and Banner (who, third time's the charm, she *still* never slept with). That's a pretty wild definition of '****' Jer... Does she need to wear a burka and never be seen without a male relative escorting her to avoid that label in your mind?

The decision to kill off the Maya character in Iron Man 3, and make Killian the 'big bad' was annoying to me, even more so if it's true that the decision was made because they didn't think toys of a female villain would sell. She invented Extremis, it's kind of foolish to think that a bullet from someone who was essentially her PR guy, would kill her.

Pretty much anything Drax said in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Way, way over the top. Not funny to someone from my pre-Beavis and Butthead generation. Louder does not necessarily mean 'funnier.' Not a big fan of Mantis, either. Would have much rather seen a new 'daughter of Thanos,' Moondragon, with psychic talents awakened by exposure to the Mind Stone (which A) we knew Thanos had before he loaned it to Loki, and B) we know can give select people super-powers, as it did with Wanda and Pietro). And halfway through an epic fight, we find out that she's the long-thought-dead daughter of Drax, because, it turns out, we'd already established in the first movie that Thanos likes to kill families and steal their little girls away to raise as his deadly daughters! That could have been a pretty epic 'family' subplot.

I like the cut of your jib Set

 

[metaphysician]

The biggest mistake is that they didnt make Fanstatis Four with a other vilians then Dr Doom.
The Super Skrull ; Annihilus ; Grand Master would be perfect vilians together with a plotline for secret invasion with them in a main spot for a Avengers next coming.
Also a movie with Galactus should focus on Galactus invasion and his diffrent minions.
Silver surfer should have gotten own sepperate movie or short story in the movie.

Dr Doom would be a good vilian for Iron man, captain america, spiderman and fantastic four.
Also a cross over with the Hulk and thing could be hillarious.
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Mistake is that they fear to make something totally out of the box like a series of halloweeen themed movies with Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk, Spiderman and Ghost Rider that could fight against Fear Lords(Nightmare), Wendigo , Man wolf, Dormamu, Enchantress, Loki, and Mephisto.
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Mistake is the fear of setting up the Avengers vs Surtur or to show vs Galactus.
Both could get seperate movies like Avengers: Galactus Arrival , and
Avengers: Suturs Apocalypse(the use of Enchantress as his minion)

You realize that almost everything you mention here is completely irrelevant to this thread, right? Marvel does not control the usage of the FF and their characters, Fox does.

 

[Boom]

I forgot about Inhumans.

Letting that go over to the TV division still pisses me off. What a waste.

 

[Chris B]

- The Mandarin twist in IM3. I can appreciate what Black was trying to do with this, but it just felt like it was done too much at the expense of the character. They should've just gone with Maya Hansen as the villain all together like they had originally planned and avoided the Mandarin all together, or doubled down and firmly established Killian as the MCU version of the Mandarin.

- Michelle in Spider-Man: Homecoming. This one may change depending on where they take the character down the line, but at the moment I don't see what the point was of creating an original character and having her being kinda-sorta like Mary Jane but not really, especially since I think Zendaya could've nailed that character if she had been given the chance. I think they should've had her as either a rendition of Mary Jane modeled after her Ultimate incarnation or made her Debra Whitman if they were adamant on her being an oddball character of some sort.

- Killing off Quicksilver. I liked Aaron Taylor-Johnson's performance and I think he would've been a good character to have kept around. Especially since it looks like Marvel may be able to get the X-Men back if the Disney-Fox acquisition goes through, and they could've explored the angle of him and the Scarlet Witch being Magneto's kids.

- Inhumans being done as a TV show. I was always skeptical that the property could've been done justice on television, and they would've been good characters to have available on the movie side.

 

[TheVileOne]

Villain in Iron man 3 should've been Madame Masque IMO.

 

[SilverBatarangs]

Michelle as MJ in Homecoming.
I didn't see the point of that; it didn't work as a twist.
As far as I'm concerned, it's not the "MJ".

 

[Spiderine]

Im sure if they could do it all over again they would have rethink the Mandarin fiasco. Horrible decision to make.

 

[Dasher10]

Allegedly Iron Fist's reception hurt the viewership for The Defenders. People watched Iron Fist and that was actually more of a curse than a blessing since people binged the whole thing and hated it and that turned people off to the Marvel brand. That combined with different audiences for each show who heard bad word of mouth about Iron Fist avoiding the team-up sunk the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GrpGa8Uys

 

[Dasher10]

Im sure if they could do it all over again they would have rethink the Mandarin fiasco. Horrible decision to make.

I'm not sure. China's censorship laws make it impossible to cast a Chinese actor in a villainous role. Casting an Asian actor as Killian would have solved a lot of people's complains about whitewashing Mandarin but we live in an age where American films are subject to a foreign government's rules.

 

[Spiderine]

I'm not sure. China's censorship laws make it impossible to cast a Chinese actor in a villainous role. Casting an Asian actor as Killian would have solved a lot of people's complains about whitewashing Mandarin but we live in an age where American films are subject to a foreign government's rules.

There was nothing wrong with Ben Kingsley in the role. I was perfectly fine with it. He could have been a sinister evil classic MCU villain if they stuck with the narrative. Turning him into a cheap joke was the horrible decision.

 

[AdamantiumClaws]

I thought it would be interesting to look back at the MCU and talk about some of their biggest missteps, missed opportunities and mistakes in the blooming of this big, beautiful flower. Here are three that come to mind for me:

1) Alienating Jon Favreau during the production of Iron Man 2. After the amazing success of the first Iron Man, it boggles my mind that Marvel didn't give Favreau the proper time and space to make Iron Man 2. Their was also too much pressure to include the SHIELD subplot, which ended up being the weakest element in a film that was otherwise quite good. Given just a few more months of pre-production, Favreau could have come up with plot elements that would integrate the larger universe in a more natural way.

This, of course, led to him not returning to direct Iron Man 3, which for me is the worst film in the series.

2) Launching Agents of SHIELD too early. The Avengers was a magic moment for cinema, but certain aspects of Phase 2 were marked by a clear drop in quality indicative of an operation that was not sure what to do next, and therefore began stretching itself too thin. This eventually culminated in an exhausted Joss Whedon stepping away from Marvel entirely and even expressing disappointment with a lot of his work as Phaserunner (including regret at bringing Coulson back to life.)

A lot of pressure could have been alleviated by delaying Agents of Shield by at least one year, allowing Whedon to focus on creating a more cohesive Iron Man 3, Thor 2, and Avengers 2. I would go as far as to say he would have been the perfect choice for director for The Dark World, seeing as how it started right where The Avengers left off.

3) Creating the MCU without making changes to The Incredible Hulk.
As plans to create an interconnected cinematic universe became more clear, The Incredible Hulk should have been rewritten and delayed by at least one year, with the studio insisting on Ruffalo as their choice for Banner rather than giving into Universal's demands. The new context could have provided a clear direction for the film and, for example, allowed a far more natural introduction of SHIELD than what occurred in Iron Man 2.

More came to mind as I wrote this out, but I am getting sleepy and so I hand it over to you all!

I completely agree with Point #1. Jon Favreau was a huge loss, Iron Man 3 was terrible and although Whedon did okay with Avengers 1, it would have been much better with Favreau at the helm. They promised him he could do it but then screwed him over.

I think I'd agree with point #2 mostly.

With point #3, I was fine with the Incredible Hulk, just wish they had taken a bit more time with it and made the Hulk's design look as amazing as it did in Avengers 1. I loved the post credit scene, just wish it hadn't been ignored by IronMan2 and subsequent films.

 

[Temur]

I'm not sure. China's censorship laws make it impossible to cast a Chinese actor in a villainous role. Casting an Asian actor as Killian would have solved a lot of people's complains about whitewashing Mandarin but we live in an age where American films are subject to a foreign government's rules.

So cast a British/Mongolian actor instead. It's more central to the character that he be the descendant of Genghis Khan than it is that he's Chinese. And his mother was an English white woman. If the Chinese government is going to be a pain in the ass, there's a way around it built into the character. It's not like the British or Mongolian governments are going to pitch a fit the way the Chinese dictatorship does.