The Mentalist on CBS

[Dark Raven]

Ok, it might seem odd to start a thread on this series so late into its run, but I've never seen a thread on the Mentalist all these years. Surely there must be some people here who watch it?

Anyway, I wanted to discuss the latest happenings on the show since it's been building towards the showdown with Red John.

At the end of last season, Emmanuelle Chiqui's character revealed via a pre-recorded video that Red John was going to predict the shortlist of 7 possible suspects that Patrick Jane would narrow down who could be Red John weeks before Jane even came up with it. Did he read his mind or plant the suggestion in him?

These were: Bret Stiles, Gale Bertram, Ray Haffner, Reede Smith, Bob Kirkland, Sheriff Thomas McAllister and Brett Partridge.

In the season opener, the Forensic/ CSU Brett Partridge was seemingly killed at the end of the episode and Teresa Lisbon was captured by Red John as he smeared his signature red smiley face over her face.

I thought that Brett Partridge was a strong candidate for Red John. He even has a similar high-pitched voice. Unless perhaps he faked his death like that Agatha Christie novel "And then there were none" so that suspicion would be directed away from him and he would be free to kill.

As to other suspects, well Bret Stiles (played by Malcolm McDowell) doesn't sound anything like Red John unless he's disguising his voice.

What do people think (if there is anyone here to discuss this)? Who do you think is Red John?

 

[Rob Lobo]

CBI Ron if there's an 8th suspect.

 

[Morg]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=342335

 

[Dark Raven]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=342335

Well it has been inactive since 2010 so no wonder I'd never seen it before.

Has no-one really had nothing to say about it for 3 years?

Feel free to merge it if you want.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I've watched the show from the beginning and am very intrigued to find out who Red John is.

I too thought that Brett Partridge was a strong suspect. He tied back into the first episode of the series which would've been a cool full circle thing. Alas it was not to be.

Some seem to obvious, others I don't remember at all. I would love it to be Malcolm McDowell, but I just don't think it's him.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've seen some odd theories on the internet that Patrick Jane is really Red John and that he has a split personality, and we're just seeing things from his warped reality (which is why he can appear not to be in the same place as Red John etc or he could think he's hearing Red John on the other end of the phone).

I don't think he is though, as it would turn the series into something like Dexter. However, his voice could potentially sound like Red John's if he raised it a bit.

Apparently the synopsis for episode 4 of this season is that a "fake list" of Red John suspects is stolen. I don't know if that means a different list from the seven people RJ predicted, or whether it means that this list that RJ predicted is in fact fake. But I think it's more likely to be the former option as it doesn't make sense with the 2nd option.

If there is no body for Brett Partridge then maybe he's not really dead. We'll see in the next episode.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

I know Red John is not Jane for one reason. In one episode, these kids mimicked a Red John murder, made it look like it was him and not them. Jane got kidnapped and who rescued him? Red John. He spoke the poem "Tyger, Tyger" to him which set him up with a new clue as to who he was.

Not sure about this fake list, will just have to wait and see.

 

[Dark Raven]

Gale Bertram once spoke those words Tyger Tyger a few seasons ago which made me think he could be Red John.

Also how did Partridge know those words when he mentioned it to Lisbon as he was dying since Jane never told anyone what RJ said to him? Unless RJ said that to Partridge.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Actually he did tell the others cause he didn't know what they meant at the time. But who knows?

Bertram and the Homeland Security guy just seem to obvious. They could be a part of RJ's operation, his eyes and ears, but I don't think they're RJ.

 

[Anubis]

Clearly it's Cho.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

to quote yourself....quit being weird.

 

[Dark Raven]

Actually he did tell the others cause he didn't know what they meant at the time. But who knows?

Bertram and the Homeland Security guy just seem to obvious. They could be a part of RJ's operation, his eyes and ears, but I don't think they're RJ.

Kirkland did murder someone in cold blood to stop them talking so he's definitely capable. All 7 suspects are creepy in their own way.

 

[superhero]

are their going to get rid of the mentalist ? I saw preview it said final chapter . does any one know if their going to get rid of the mentalist ?

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't know. Maybe it means the final chapter in the Red John saga? I think Rigsby and Van Pelt are leaving the show soon though, and there will be some replacements who won't be part of the main cast but just guest stars, at least initially.

So RJ was a patient of the shrink that Jane saw? I'm guessing that's who J Roth refers to.

 

[cyclone]

Yes, that's correct. 'J Roth' was Red John. I'm assuming they're using him meeting the therapist and getting information on Patrick as the answer to 'how did Red John know about Patrick's memory', hence why he killed that person from Patrick's past? Makes sense.

I still say Partridge is not dead. That whole thing was staged, and Partridge is a key player, if not Red John himself.

 

[Dark Raven]

They took away Partridge's body though, although he could've used some kind of tetradetoxin on himself to simulate death, and then escaped later on. It could easily be like "And then there were none".

 

[cyclone]

They took a body in a bag, you never saw it.

We saw Partridge 'wounded' and say to Lisbon "Tyger, tyger" before 'dying', and someone grab Lisbon. Then we know they painted the face on Teresa. We only saw the ambulance guys wheel a body in a body bag in the back of the van, we never saw it was Partridge. Red John is a master of alias's and false evidence. I can easily see the body in the body bag being the guy who grabbed Lisbon, who afterwards is killed by Partridge. He could have either used his own blood, or was able to modify DNA records for 'Brett Partridge' to match that of the body of the guy who grabbed Teresa.

Teresa only believes Partridge is dead because of what she saw, and because Patrick told her in the hospital that he was, but it's unlikely Patrick went and saw the body, instead, merely relayed the information he received from the coroner to Lisbon.

That's my theory, anyway!

 

[Dark Raven]

So it seems that Sherriff McAlister probably isn't Red John, since RJ was meant to be afraid of heights, and the Sherriff went up on the roof to save Jane last episode. But then he did seem to have a problem with it earlier, or maybe he just was thinking of his safety.

And I'm guessing Rigsby and Van Pelt are leaving the show? Weren't some guest stars going to come in and replace them and become semi regulars but not actually be added to the main cast?

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Yeah it's most likely not him. But it also could be a feint. I don't think it's Bertram because of the conversation him, McAlister and the other guy had.

Here's hoping for RJ to be Malcolm McDowell.

 

[Matt]

Well it has been inactive since 2010 so no wonder I'd never seen it before.

Has no-one really had nothing to say about it for 3 years?

Feel free to merge it if you want.

I quit watching after Season 3. The writers blew me away with the season 3 finale. Making Red John into some random guy played by Bradley Whitford was brilliant. He wasn't a monster. He didn't have horns. He was just a psychotic human being. It was such a very nice touch as was the way that Jane killed him. It was a perfect ending to the Red John arc. Then the writers lost their balls and backed down. Instead of being creative and finding a new direction for the show, the writers fell into their safety net and within forty five minutes told the audience, "GOTCHYA!" then just started chasing their own tail again. It really turned me off from the show.

I may watch the Red John reveal episode. My guess is that the writers will do the safest thing possible and go for the cheap shock of Red John being Virgil Minelli.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

So it seems that Sherriff McAlister probably isn't Red John, since RJ was meant to be afraid of heights, and the Sherriff went up on the roof to save Jane last episode. But then he did seem to have a problem with it earlier, or maybe he just was thinking of his safety.

And I'm guessing Rigsby and Van Pelt are leaving the show? Weren't some guest stars going to come in and replace them and become semi regulars but not actually be added to the main cast?

I think the FBI was sending some members in to replace them or just rotate in some new CBI.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah it's most likely not him. But it also could be a feint. I don't think it's Bertram because of the conversation him, McAlister and the other guy had.

Here's hoping for RJ to be Malcolm McDowell.

The thing is that Malcolm McDowell sounds probably the least like Red John. I'm not sure even, with his accent and vocal timbre, he can even do that high-pitched Red John voice. He has a much deeper and gravelly voice.

And although I don't subscribe to the Patrick Jane is Red John theory, there is this video which does a voice comparison and when RJ's pitch is lowered it does sound exactly like Simon Baker's:

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[BlackMagicWolf]

Interesting....but yeah I don't buy it. Mainly cause I "think" I know the "voice" behind Red John. I can't remember the actors name but he played Simon in Burn Notice and is on that show Raising Hope. I'm pretty sure that's him.

And as for why Simon is the "voice" its simple, it's a misdirect. Like in Elementary where we find out Moriarty is a girl when before we thought it was a guy. RJ could be playing a REALLY big shadow game and making Patrick think he's one of the six when he's actually someone else entirely.

But I guess we won't know until later, won't we?

As for Malcolm McDowell I know it seems like a stretch but think about it. He's got the power, he's got the reach, and he's gotten "close" to Patrick. It was because of him that Laurelli got freed....the only caveat to my hope is when one of RJ's "assassins" killed that other CBI team, he was IN the CBI and personally killed the woman. He wore a cop outfit to not be discovered which makes me think it wasn't him. Which leads me to my No.2 suspect, that former CBI guy who was in Visualize.

Those are my top two.

 

[the gael]

I was pretty sure also that Brett Stiles was RJ, because he was the great Malcolm McDowell, but also because, except the age, he was exactly what RJ is supposed to be. He is charismatic, as clever as Patrick Jane is, has tremendous relations due to being a cult leader and is linked to the "visualize" cult.

But now, I'm pretty sure that RJ is

Spoiler

Ray Haffner

Do you remember when Bruno Heller said that in the last scene of the season six opener, RJ did a mistake that will allow Patrick Jane to catch him ? I have seen it a lot of time without catching anything.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4mhDdZPD-o[/YT]

I even thought that it was due to the fact that he used Lisbon phone.... Until I saw the Lisbon dream in the next episode, and I realised something :

RJ said to PJ :

Spoiler

"Sorry Patrick, Teresa can't come to the phone right now. Can I take a message ? No ? Well, I'll tell her you called" RJ called Lisbon "Teresa". 99 % of the characters and every other suspects call her "Lisbon". Look at the dream sequence : [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSajjNswcNo[/YT] The only one that call her "Teresa" is Haffner. And there is so muche similarity between him and RJ. He is a member of the police / CBI ("Tyger, Tyger..."), he is a visualize member, Ray look a lot like "Roy" (Tagliaferro)

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm wondering now if RJ is more than one person after Sunday's episode. There seems to be an organization within the police that uses the password Tiger Tiger.

Also it can't be Kirkland now that he's dead.