The New Diamond List for June 30th, 2010

How often lately has a shipping error or general incompetence bungled the flow of a story and resulted in advance spoilers making a climax meaningless?

- Civil War
- Captain America Reborn
- Siege

Wait, so Marvel can't even get it right for a big line wide event? I doubt they'll care about the X-Men. Expect it to be spoiled a few weeks early, and if asked about it on Newsarama or Comic Book Resources, an editor or Joe Q will throw out more excuses then a 12 year old girl home past curfew, and will then expect some cheese with his whine about how busy they all are and how rough it is.

Truth be told, they can't even keep their advanced solicitations free of spoilers. I already know a certain new characters will make it out of Second Coming because of those stupid "We Are the X-Men" covers.

Thing is, I expected better from the X-offices. They managed to pull off 13 weekly chapters of Messiah Complex without a delay. They had a buffer week for Second Coming, and there's still a delay.
 
I mean, Wonder Girl can't even ever appear in a Teen Titans or Young Justice cartoon. While "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" 's charm is that no A-List hero besides Batman shows up in every episode, is Wonder Woman really an A-Lister anymore? Her sales are terrible. Her multi-media presence is almost non-existent, for really no reason. Out of any DC franchise, hers is the only one who doesn't get a spin off, even though many that DO have spin-off's cannot support them (Teen Titans, Superman, looking right at you). I think it is time for DC to realize that through inaction and apathy, WW is at best a B-List franchise now, if not C-List...and that needs to be acted upon accordingly. If they want her to be A-List, then they have to make big moves. If they want her to be a C-Lister with cult appeal, that's okay too, so long as they admit it.

For a sales and position perspective WW is pretty much a B-List series really. They weren't even going to renumber her series originally, but the idea came up and then Didio said he would approve it 600 people spent in postcards to do it. So, really, she couldn't even get that much without some stupid marketing gimmick.
 
Wait, they aren't using Wonder Girl in the upcoming Young Justice cartoon? What the F? I can understand the lack of Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl cameos, because the rights to the WW franchise are wacky in a way that prevents DC from doing that. However, they can still use the characters in starring roles.
 
Yeah, she's not in it. They're using Artemis in her place I believe.

There's some rights issues that Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl can't make cameo appearances, but can be in a starring role? That's kind of weird
 
I'll see if I can find the interview online somewhere, but someone involved in the Justice League animated series (probably Bruce Timm) talked about how they wanted to give Wonder Woman a cameo episode on the Superman series, but couldn't because DC's rights to the character wouldn't allow them. They could use her in JL because she had a starring role.

I remember hearing something similar about why Donna Troy never cameoed on Teen Titans.

--EDIT--
Found it! It's from Toonzone's Watchtower page. There's a bunch of quotes from people involved on the show, as well as comic book writers about her character.

The quote I was thinking of was Paul Dini's, by the way.

Paul Dini on Wonder Woman (circa 2000): “There’s kind of a licensing problem: if we wanted to do Wonder Woman as a series, we could do that, [but] if it was a guest-shot, it was a little more problematic. I don’t really understand it—it just turned out to be easier all the way around [to use Big Barda in the Batman Beyond episode 'The Call'...] we love Wonder Woman—Bruce [Timm] did that great design of her, which is now a maquette at the Warner Bros. store. At some point, we’ll do Wonder Woman…we just need to fight that battle when we get to it (courtesy of [website name removed]).”
 
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I was. And now I've dropped almost every major title DC publishes. The series I actually look forward to most now from them is REBELS, which I fully expect to be canceled within another year. :)

The heroic(ish) Baron Zemo was good, but that's not why I hate his return to villainy. Like I said before, it's the casual way Brubaker just ignored everything about the character and flipped his morality switch all the way to 100% evil again. Forget what you think about Zemo as a character, that's just plain bad storytelling.

I have acknowledged a few times that even though it doesn't bother me as much as I was never a T-Bolts fan, that Brubaker could have handled it a bit better. Zemo was acting a little too "AND NOW I DESTROY HIM!" than he could have so far.

Truth be told, they can't even keep their advanced solicitations free of spoilers. I already know a certain new characters will make it out of Second Coming because of those stupid "We Are the X-Men" covers.

Thing is, I expected better from the X-offices. They managed to pull off 13 weekly chapters of Messiah Complex without a delay. They had a buffer week for Second Coming, and there's still a delay.

That's Marvel for you. Eventually they will screw up a shipping schedule, or have a bizarre one. Marvel is often in favor of "feast or famine" schedules.

When WEB OF SPIDER-MAN was announced, despite there being one week of the month (or 2 for 5 week months) in which ASM would not ship, the idea of having WEB fill that one ASM-less week was never attempted. The X-Books often would work in clusters. Shipping YOUNG ALLIES in the same week as the more well known AVENGERS ACADEMY likely did it no favors; nor were readers directed to AGE OF HEROES #2, which has a fairly critical YOUNG ALLIES prelude.

It's just a shame Nightcrawler had to die for an event that I am not convinced will undo M-Day.

For a sales and position perspective WW is pretty much a B-List series really. They weren't even going to renumber her series originally, but the idea came up and then Didio said he would approve it 600 people spent in postcards to do it. So, really, she couldn't even get that much without some stupid marketing gimmick.

That's lame. I mean I'm no big fan of WW by any means, but I do think DC and WB could have done more with it, and it is a missed opportunity.

Yeah, she's not in it. They're using Artemis in her place I believe.

There's some rights issues that Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl can't make cameo appearances, but can be in a starring role? That's kind of weird

Artemis, to be fair, is Arrowette with a new name, and Arrowette was part of the YOUNG JUSTICE comic.

I'll see if I can find the interview online somewhere, but someone involved in the Justice League animated series (probably Bruce Timm) talked about how they wanted to give Wonder Woman a cameo episode on the Superman series, but couldn't because DC's rights to the character wouldn't allow them. They could use her in JL because she had a starring role.

I remember hearing something similar about why Donna Troy never cameoed on Teen Titans.

--EDIT--
Found it! It's from Toonzone's Watchtower page. There's a bunch of quotes from people involved on the show, as well as comic book writers about her character.

The quote I was thinking of was Paul Dini's, by the way.

Paul Dini on Wonder Woman (circa 2000): “There’s kind of a licensing problem: if we wanted to do Wonder Woman as a series, we could do that, [but] if it was a guest-shot, it was a little more problematic. I don’t really understand it—it just turned out to be easier all the way around [to use Big Barda in the Batman Beyond episode 'The Call'...] we love Wonder Woman—Bruce [Timm] did that great design of her, which is now a maquette at the Warner Bros. store. At some point, we’ll do Wonder Woman…we just need to fight that battle when we get to it (courtesy of [website name removed]).”

That was ten years ago already; surely whatever licensing snafu that prevents Wonder Woman from guest starring in anything should have expired by now. No other company outside of WB has done anything with her for a while. Besides, the terminology is fairly vague. Wonder Woman can "star" in a team show, even though she doesn't always appear in every episode, but not be a guest character? Why can't Wonder Girl be a "star" in YOUNG JUSTICE, then? She would have been more accurate to the comic than Miss Martian (aside for the "aliens count as minorities who aren't Caucasian" politically correct casting theory). Of course, Wonder Girl could have been tinkered a bit, maybe with more of a "Greek" design, unless "Greek" still counts as "white" to the P.C. Police (who would probably be angered if, say, a Haitian and an African were simply lumped together as "black").

Besides, Warner Brothers have these things called "lawyers" who could do things like "settle" or "sue" to ensure WB had full control of this franchise if WB really, really wanted to. I mean, lawyers got O.J. off for murder, but they can't get WW to show up more on TV? C'mon. This is America; lawyers can do anything. :o

Part of me thinks Miss Martian is in YOUNG JUSTICE not because of a licensing ordeal, but because DC wants to push Miss Martian on people as a new character, much like they are pushing Jaime Reyes.
 
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gears of war #12 (mr) $3.99
green lantern #55 (brightest day) $2.99
teen titans #84 $3.99

captain america #607 ha $3.99
invincible iron man annual #1 $4.99
secret avengers #2 ha $3.99
thor #611 ha $3.99
 
USAGI YOJIMBO #129 $3.50
WONDER WOMAN #600 (NOTE PRICE) $4.99
ASTONISHING X-MEN #34 $2.99
CAPTAIN AMERICA #607 HA $3.99
INVINCIBLE IRON MAN ANNUAL #1 $4.99
SECRET AVENGERS #2 HA $3.99
SPIDER-HAM 25TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL #1 $3.99 - maybe
 
dark horse comics

predators #4 (of 4)
star wars dark times #17 blue harvest pt 5 (of 5)
star wars invasion rescues #2 (of 6)
star wars legacy #49 extremes part 2 (of 3)

dc comics

gears of war #12 (mr)

idw publishing

bram stokers death ship #2

image comics

angelus #4 (of 6)
darkness #85 (mr)

marvel comics

astonishing x-men #34
marvel zombies 5 #4 (of 5)
 
That was ten years ago already; surely whatever licensing snafu that prevents Wonder Woman from guest starring in anything should have expired by now. No other company outside of WB has done anything with her for a while. Besides, the terminology is fairly vague. Wonder Woman can "star" in a team show, even though she doesn't always appear in every episode, but not be a guest character? Why can't Wonder Girl be a "star" in YOUNG JUSTICE, then? She would have been more accurate to the comic than Miss Martian (aside for the "aliens count as minorities who aren't Caucasian" politically correct casting theory). Of course, Wonder Girl could have been tinkered a bit, maybe with more of a "Greek" design, unless "Greek" still counts as "white" to the P.C. Police (who would probably be angered if, say, a Haitian and an African were simply lumped together as "black").

Besides, Warner Brothers have these things called "lawyers" who could do things like "settle" or "sue" to ensure WB had full control of this franchise if WB really, really wanted to. I mean, lawyers got O.J. off for murder, but they can't get WW to show up more on TV? C'mon. This is America; lawyers can do anything. :o

I think it has something to do with the fact that DC only has partial ownership of Wonder Woman. Marston had a wacky contract with DC before he died with conditions like, DC has to publish a Wonder Woman comic regularly or the rights to the character go back to Marston's estate. I wouldn't be surprised if the conditions included limited use of Wonder Woman in other media.

God knows Wonder Woman isn't the only character DC has partial rights to. Black Vulcan on the Superfriends cartoon was supposed to be Black Lightning, but the character's creator wouldn't let Hanna-Barbera use him.
 
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CAPTAIN AMERICA #607 HA $3.99
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DEATH OF DRACULA #1 $3.99
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MARVEL ZOMBIES 5 #4 (OF 5) $3.99
SECRET AVENGERS #2 HA $3.99
THOR #611 HA $3.99


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