Diamond List for December 23rd, 2009

[venom892]

Gotham city sirens #7 $2.99
green lantern #49 (blackest night) $2.99

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Green lantern #49 (blackest night) $2.99
justice society of america #34 $2.99
teen titans #78 (blackest night) $3.99

guardians of galaxy #21 $2.99
avengers initiative #31 siege $2.99
incredible hercules #139 $3.99
new avengers #60 $3.99
new mutants #8 xn $2.99
thor #605 $2.99
uncanny x-men #519 $2.99
x-men legacy #231 xn $2.99

 

[runawayboulder]

That's all for Marvel huh?

Beasts of Burden #4 it is then. God, I hope they bring it back.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Alright, folks, just to let you know Diamond has updated Marvel's list and, oh, what an update it is. The first post has been edited to reflect the update and here it is for this page:

MARVEL COMICS

AGENTS OF ATLAS TP DARK REIGN $19.99
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #611 2ND PTG YOUNG VAR (PP #896) $2.99
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #612 2ND PTG AZACETA VAR GNTLT $3.99
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #616 GNTLT $2.99
ANITA BLAKE PREM HC BOOK 02 LC NECROMANCER $19.99
ANITA BLAKE PREM HC BOOK 02 LC NECROMANCER DM VAR ED $19.99
AVENGERS INITIATIVE #31 SIEGE $2.99
BLACK WIDOW AND MARVEL GIRLS #2 (OF 4) $2.99
BLACK WIDOW DEADLY ORIGIN #1 (OF 4) 2ND PTG VAR (PP #895) $3.99
BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS 10 YEARS AT MARVEL TP $34.99
CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD $3.99
CRIMINAL SINNERS #3 (MR) $3.50
DAREDEVIL OMNIBUS HC VOL 02 BY BENDIS & MALEEV $99.99
DARK AVENGERS ARES #3 (OF 3) $3.99
DARK REIGN HOOD TP $19.99
DARK REIGN SINISTER SPIDER-MAN TP $16.99
DARK REIGN SKRULL KILL KREW TP $19.99
DARK REIGN YOUNG AVENGERS TP $16.99
DARK TOWER BATTLE OF JERICHO HILL #2 (OF 5) $3.99
DEADPOOL #17 2ND PTG MEDINA VAR $2.99
DEADPOOL TEAM-UP #899 2ND PTG TALAJIC VAR (PP #895) $2.99
DOCTOR VOODOO ORIGIN OF JERICHO DRUMM $4.99
ENDERS GAME COMMAND SCHOOL #4 (OF 5) $3.99
ENDERS SHADOW COMMAND SCHOOL #4 (OF 5) $3.99
FALL OF HULKS GAMMA FOH $3.99
FALL OF THE HULKS BY MARKO DJURDJEVIC POSTER $8.99
FANTASTIC FOUR #574 $2.99
FANTASTIC FOUR TP MASTERS OF DOOM $19.99
GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #21 $2.99
GUARDIANS OF GALAXY PREM HC VOL 03 WAR OF KINGS BK 02 $24.99
HALO BLOOD LINE #1 (OF 5) (MR) $3.99
INCREDIBLE HERCULES #139 $3.99
INCREDIBLE HERCULES PREM HC MIGHTY THORCULES $19.99
INCREDIBLE HERCULES TP DARK REIGN $14.99
IRON MAN VS WHIPLASH #2 (OF 4) $3.99
MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN #58 $2.99
MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN HC $24.99
MARVELS TP NEW PTG $24.99
MINI MARVELS TP ULTIMATE COLLECTION GN $19.99
MMW NICK FURY AGENT OF SHIELD HC VOL 02 $54.99
MMW NICK FURY AGENT OF SHIELD HC VOL 02 DM VAR 129 $54.99
MMW UNCANNY X-MEN TP VOL 02 $24.99
MMW UNCANNY X-MEN TP VOL 02 DM VAR ED 12 $24.99
MS MARVEL PREM HC VOL 08 WAR OF MARVELS $19.99
NEW AVENGERS #60 $3.99
NEW MUTANTS #8 XN $2.99
POWERS #2 (MR) $3.95
PSYLOCKE #1 (OF 4) 2ND PTG TOLIBAO VAR (PP #895) $3.99
PUNISHER #11 2ND PTG MOORE VAR (PP #896) $2.99
PUNISHER #12 $2.99
PUNISHERMAX #1 2ND PTG DILLON SKETCH VAR (MR) (PP #896) $3.99
RUNAWAYS TRUE BELIEVERS PREM HC $19.99
SCOURGE OF GODS PREM HC FALL (MR) $24.99
SECRET WARRIORS #11 $2.99
SPIDER-WOMAN #4 $2.99
STAND SOUL SURVIVORS #3 (OF 5) $3.99
SUB-MARINER TP DEPTHS $19.99
THOR #605 $2.99
UNCANNY X-MEN #519 $2.99
VENGEANCE OF MOON KNIGHT #3 2ND PTG OPENA SKETCH VAR $2.99
WHAT IF ASTONISHING X-MEN $3.99
WHAT IF SPIDER-MAN HOUSE OF M $3.99
WOLVERINE ORIGINS #43 $2.99
WOLVERINE WEAPON X #8 $3.99
X-FORCE #21 2ND PTG CRAIN VAR XN $2.99
X-FORCE CABLE MESSIAH WAR TP $34.99
X-FORCE PREM HC VOL 03 NOT FORGOTTEN $19.99
X-MEN FOREVER #14 $3.99
X-MEN LEGACY #231 XN $2.99
X-MEN MUTANT MASSACRE HC $39.99
X-MEN VS AVENGERS PREM HC $19.99
X-MEN VS AVENGERS PREM HC DM VAR ED 35 $19.99
X-MEN VS FANTASTIC FOUR PREM HC $19.99
X-MEN VS FANTASTIC FOUR PREM HC DM VAR ED 36 $19.99

 

[CConn]

Detective Comics #860
Gotham Sirens #7
Green Lantern #49
Justice Society of America #34
Superman #695
Fantastic Four #674
New Avengers #60

 

[Phaedrus45]

Thanks, Teardrop! You're a dearheart....or a bud.

MARVEL COMICS

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #616 GNTLT $2.99
AVENGERS INITIATIVE #31 SIEGE $2.99
BLACK WIDOW AND MARVEL GIRLS #2 (OF 4) $2.99
CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD $3.99
CRIMINAL SINNERS #3 (MR) $3.50
DARK AVENGERS ARES #3 (OF 3) $3.99
DARK TOWER BATTLE OF JERICHO HILL #2 (OF 5) $3.99
DOCTOR VOODOO ORIGIN OF JERICHO DRUMM $4.99
ENDERS GAME COMMAND SCHOOL #4 (OF 5) $3.99
ENDERS SHADOW COMMAND SCHOOL #4 (OF 5) $3.99
FALL OF HULKS GAMMA FOH $3.99
FANTASTIC FOUR #574 $2.99
GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #21 $2.99
HALO BLOOD LINE #1 (OF 5) (MR) $3.99
INCREDIBLE HERCULES #139 $3.99
IRON MAN VS WHIPLASH #2 (OF 4) $3.99
MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN #58 $2.99
NEW AVENGERS #60 $3.99
NEW MUTANTS #8 XN $2.99
POWERS #2 (MR) $3.95
PUNISHER #12 $2.99
SECRET WARRIORS #11 $2.99
SPIDER-WOMAN #4 $2.99
STAND SOUL SURVIVORS #3 (OF 5) $3.99
THOR #605 $2.99
UNCANNY X-MEN #519 $2.99
WHAT IF ASTONISHING X-MEN $3.99
WHAT IF SPIDER-MAN HOUSE OF M $3.99
WOLVERINE ORIGINS #43 $2.99
WOLVERINE WEAPON X #8 $3.99
X-MEN FOREVER #14 $3.99
X-MEN LEGACY #231 XN $2.99

List isn't as scary once you remove the trades and 2nd printings.

 

[Yodaman]

^
Oh damn, forgot FF and Thor were coming out. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Spider-Jay420]

Is anybody reading Image United?

The variant covers are a joke, sure, but it it any good?

I haven't read an Image Comic since, like, Spawn #115 so I have no clue whats happening. But reading about how each creator is drawing their character individually in each comic sounds kinda cool. And Al Simmons (who isn't Spawn anymore?!) is the villian? Interesting...

Just curious any of you checked it out?

 

[Tron Bonne]

And, out of my own curiosity, if you there are any reading it...are any of you dedicated to getting all the covers?

 

[JewishHobbit]

GREEN LANTERN #49 (BLACKEST NIGHT) $2.99
AVENGERS INITIATIVE #31 SIEGE $2.99
GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #21 $2.99
NEW AVENGERS #60 $3.99
NEW MUTANTS #8 XN $2.99
SECRET WARRIORS #11 $2.99
UNCANNY X-MEN #519 $2.99
X-MEN LEGACY #231 XN $2.99

Maybe
CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD $3.99


Well that jumped dramatically. Anyhow, I don't know if I'll get Cap: WWWTS. I don't read the Cap monthly and I'm only getting Reborn for the implications it has on the Avengers line. But if this is just some debate without any implications that isn't already obvious elsewhere, then I won't bother. Save myself $4.

Otherwise, decent week. Out of these I'm the most excited for Green Lantern and Secret Warriors. Guardians of the Galaxy and The Initiative should be good as well.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Wait a minute... are they releasing Who Will Wield the Shield prior to the final issue of Reborn?! Morons!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, should be interesting to see how that works JH

 

[Dread]

This is the last comic week for 2009. The week after, Diamond takes off and there won't be new comics until Jan. 6th. If your shop ordered on time, that is.

Anyway, looks like a solid week for me.

INVINCIBLE #69
INVINCIBLE PRESENTS: ATOM EVE & REX SPLODE #3
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #21
INCREDIBLE HERCULES #139

Adding:

AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #31
EDITORIAL CLUSTER**** THAT ANY GERBIL WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD HAVE AVOIDED #1 (sold in the states as CAPTAIN AMERICA: WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD #1)
FANTASTIC FOUR #574
THOR #605

Wow, so a small week becomes a wallet buster.

If CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN proves anything, it proves that Marvel cares more about sales then it does story or narrative quality. There is no way that Brubaker would have been asked to write another issue of REBORN if BLACKEST NIGHT wasn't outselling it drastically for the last 3 issues. Period. And the result is now REBORN is running behind the line while the rest of the line needed REBORN to be current. Fanboys on a message board working for pride (and nothing else) would have not have messed this up.

They've tasked Brubaker with the biggest book of the winter and then are knee-capping his story at every possible turn. What, Marvel editorial didn't figure adding an extra issue to REBORN on zero notice wouldn't clash with the continuity of the rest of the line!? How ****ing inept are they!?

RECAP: Captain America Reborn was supposed to be 5 months. Bryan Hitch was yanked from FANTASTIC FOUR and given perhaps a whopping month of lead in time to come up with a 5 issue mini, and to be fair he's producing them in six, which isn't bad for him. But then Marvel decided around issue two or three to add an issue and make it a 6 issue mini. The problem is that they, because of either greed or incompetence, now have the rest of the line out of synch with this mini, and this mini is the LYNCHPIN mini.

The problem is of Marvel's own design. They knew 100% this would happen and if they didn't, if they are such blithering incompetents that they don't know the cause and effect, as well as reality, of their own day to day business, then Disney had better sack them with people who can. They're out there. The new blood might even be healthy.

They've ruined their hot story of 2009. Ruined it. It's all about cash now.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I really don't see the big deal with Captain America Reborn being late, or that Steve's made a few appearances in other books already. We ALL know Steve is coming back, and the only thing we're missing is how it finally ends up. If it was a question of ruining the ending of the book, things might have been handled differently. In this case, no big deal. I'm much happier that Marvel is keeping the ball going. It's much better than when we had the big delays with Civil War.

Also, a reveal does not ruin a story. We all saw that Spidey got his new black costume before it was ever revealed how...and, it didn't spoil Secret Wars one bit, and in fact made people more interested in how it was done. (And, yeah, it was planned that way, unlike this scenario...but, to me, not much different in the grand scheme of things, especially since issue #1 let us know Steve was coming back...hence, the Reborn title.) Now, Steve is back, and maybe people will be more interested in seeing how.

Also, I don't think there is a soul on this board who wouldn't have expected Blackest Night to outsell Cap Reborn. Blackest Night had been hyped for over a year. What we didn't expect is that it would be somewhat of a disappointment, like World War Hulk.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Is anybody reading Image United?

The variant covers are a joke, sure, but it it any good?

I haven't read an Image Comic since, like, Spawn #115 so I have no clue whats happening. But reading about how each creator is drawing their character individually in each comic sounds kinda cool. And Al Simmons (who isn't Spawn anymore?!) is the villian? Interesting...

Just curious any of you checked it out?

I haven't seen a copy of issue #1 at my store.

 

[Dread]

I really don't see the big deal with Captain America Reborn being late, or that Steve's made a few appearances in other books already. We ALL know Steve is coming back, and the only thing we're missing is how it finally ends up. If it was a question of ruining the ending of the book, things might have been handled differently. In this case, no big deal. I'm much happier that Marvel is keeping the ball going. It's much better than when we had the big delays with Civil War.

Also, a reveal does not ruin a story. We all saw that Spidey got his new black costume before it was ever revealed how...and, it didn't spoil Secret Wars one bit, and in fact made people more interested in how it was done. (And, yeah, it was planned that way, unlike this scenario...but, to me, not much different in the grand scheme of things, especially since issue #1 let us know Steve was coming back...hence, the Reborn title.) Now, Steve is back, and maybe people will be more interested in seeing how.

Also, I don't think there is a soul on this board who wouldn't have expected Blackest Night to outsell Cap Reborn. Blackest Night had been hyped for over a year. What we didn't expect is that it would be somewhat of a disappointment, like World War Hulk.

Marvel didn't expect BLACKEST NIGHT to outsell CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN. Clearly. When was the last time anything of DC's outsold anything from Marvel at the Top spot for, what, 4 out of 5 months in the same year? 2006? MAYBE? The fact that BN has outsold CA:R for about 75% of it's run, and actually GAINED readers (or orders) per issue, while CA:R has not, had to come as a bit of a shock after a couple of years of relative inactivity from DC. After winning 33 out of 36 rounds with relative ease, DC suddenly came close to winning 4 in a row with some massive haymakers. You bet they were surprised. Any answer to the contrary to fans mocks their intelligence.

And their first reaction was to get desperate and expand on CA:R, and to hell with the schedule.

To be blunt, the return of Steve Rogers to life after over two full years warrants more than the change of a costume. Beside the point, the entire point of REBORN was to provide that, "oh, yeah!" moment of Steve Rogers being 100% back, body, mind and soul, after being slain by Red Skull's plot. Some could argue that is the entire point of reading the series, is to get to that moment, especially since we already know the ludicrous reason of how (Steve was somehow lost in time, reliving his life, only his body was still here, or it wasn't, or whatever, I defy even Brubaker to explain it in 15 words or less). The how isn't really important; it could have been a bunch of American flags coming together via magic like Brian Braddock in CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13 #2-3 (only we couldn't have gotten four issues of drag out of that, could we?). In fact, that "oh, yeah!" moment is arguably, to argue further, the only point, besides commercial, of book-ending the "Barnes as Cap" story.

That moment is gone, now. We've seen Rogers in other books before he's really returned. We not only know for a fact he returns, we know he's 100% free of the Skull; for all we knew, he could have lurked inside his mind like he did with Lukin. There is literally no point to finish CA:R now because of the botched schedule. We already know how Rogers survived; time travel. And despite the cliffhanger of issue #4, any illusion that his resurrection will have a negative angle is gone. There's literally no point to continue. I feel like a tool and a sucker for buying CA:R #5 and #6 and I haven't even handed the clerk the $4 for them yet. That is not an ideal reaction for a comic company, especially when it is their own doing.

Imagine I told you, weeks before the release of IRON MAN 2, the complete third act, shot for shot and almost line for line. Would your excitement to see it increase or decrease, knowing what to expect? Because I have to say, in 1999-2000 I must have peeked at every X-MEN movie spoiler site in the universe, and that was before they knew to keep a lot tight lipped. I went into the film knowing nearly every sequence in advance, and I have to tell you, it didn't help my experience one iota.

Resurrecting Rogers was a no-brainer type of story. Anyone could have written it and it would have sold like crazy, and gotten buzz. Whenever a superhero dies, everyone automatically assumes they will be back; NEWSARAMA headlined every CA article with "Cap is still dead" for A FULL BLOODY YEAR. Therefore, there is no way Brubaker is going to surprise anyone with CA:R. All that separates that from anything else is how he handles the execution. And to be fair, despite a very predictable popcorn event that everyone knows the conclusion of ahead of time, Brubaker's kept REBORN readable on execution alone. But no feat of execution can capture that "oh, yeah" moment of Steve REALLY being back, now that that has been botched by editorial. And that isn't right for Bru or for the fans.

We'll get WIELD THE SHIELD, an EPILOGUE to REBORN, before REBORN #6. That is completely and utterly ridiculous. Imagine getting TWO TOWERS before RETURN OF THE KING. Imagine watching episodes of an originally aired TV serial show out of order; say "24 EPISODE 24" a good month before episodes 23 or 22 of "24". But, oh, wait, TV shows never screw that up, never intentionally botch that **** in mad dash gambles for more greenbacks. Only comics mess that stuff up.

 

[runawayboulder]

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #616
AVENGERS INITIATIVE #31 SIEGE
FALL OF HULKS GAMMA FOH
NEW AVENGERS #60
NEW MUTANTS #8
PUNISHER #12
THOR #605
UNCANNY X-MEN #519


CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN WHO WILL WIELD THE SHIELD $3.99

So I guess this is coming out between Cap Reborn #5 and #6.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Marvel didn't expect BLACKEST NIGHT to outsell CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN. Clearly. When was the last time anything of DC's outsold anything from Marvel at the Top spot for, what, 4 out of 5 months in the same year? 2006? MAYBE? The fact that BN has outsold CA:R for about 75% of it's run, and actually GAINED readers (or orders) per issue, while CA:R has not, had to come as a bit of a shock after a couple of years of relative inactivity from DC. After winning 33 out of 36 rounds with relative ease, DC suddenly came close to winning 4 in a row with some massive haymakers. You bet they were surprised. Any answer to the contrary to fans mocks their intelligence.

And their first reaction was to get desperate and expand on CA:R, and to hell with the schedule.

To be blunt, the return of Steve Rogers to life after over two full years warrants more than the change of a costume. Beside the point, the entire point of REBORN was to provide that, "oh, yeah!" moment of Steve Rogers being 100% back, body, mind and soul, after being slain by Red Skull's plot. Some could argue that is the entire point of reading the series, is to get to that moment, especially since we already know the ludicrous reason of how (Steve was somehow lost in time, reliving his life, only his body was still here, or it wasn't, or whatever, I defy even Brubaker to explain it in 15 words or less). The how isn't really important; it could have been a bunch of American flags coming together via magic like Brian Braddock in CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13 #2-3 (only we couldn't have gotten four issues of drag out of that, could we?). In fact, that "oh, yeah!" moment is arguably, to argue further, the only point, besides commercial, of book-ending the "Barnes as Cap" story.

That moment is gone, now. We've seen Rogers in other books before he's really returned. We not only know for a fact he returns, we know he's 100% free of the Skull; for all we knew, he could have lurked inside his mind like he did with Lukin. There is literally no point to finish CA:R now because of the botched schedule. We already know how Rogers survived; time travel. And despite the cliffhanger of issue #4, any illusion that his resurrection will have a negative angle is gone. There's literally no point to continue. I feel like a tool and a sucker for buying CA:R #5 and #6 and I haven't even handed the clerk the $4 for them yet. That is not an ideal reaction for a comic company, especially when it is their own doing.

Imagine I told you, weeks before the release of IRON MAN 2, the complete third act, shot for shot and almost line for line. Would your excitement to see it increase or decrease, knowing what to expect? Because I have to say, in 1999-2000 I must have peeked at every X-MEN movie spoiler site in the universe, and that was before they knew to keep a lot tight lipped. I went into the film knowing nearly every sequence in advance, and I have to tell you, it didn't help my experience one iota.

Resurrecting Rogers was a no-brainer type of story. Anyone could have written it and it would have sold like crazy, and gotten buzz. Whenever a superhero dies, everyone automatically assumes they will be back; NEWSARAMA headlined every CA article with "Cap is still dead" for A FULL BLOODY YEAR. Therefore, there is no way Brubaker is going to surprise anyone with CA:R. All that separates that from anything else is how he handles the execution. And to be fair, despite a very predictable popcorn event that everyone knows the conclusion of ahead of time, Brubaker's kept REBORN readable on execution alone. But no feat of execution can capture that "oh, yeah" moment of Steve REALLY being back, now that that has been botched by editorial. And that isn't right for Bru or for the fans.

We'll get WIELD THE SHIELD, an EPILOGUE to REBORN, before REBORN #6. That is completely and utterly ridiculous. Imagine getting TWO TOWERS before RETURN OF THE KING. Imagine watching episodes of an originally aired TV serial show out of order; say "24 EPISODE 24" a good month before episodes 23 or 22 of "24". But, oh, wait, TV shows never screw that up, never intentionally botch that **** in mad dash gambles for more greenbacks. Only comics mess that stuff up.

I still beg to differ.

While you might believe that Marvel seriously believed Captain America Reborn would sell more than the event DC has been building over a year, I don't. If you look at normal Captain America sales, Cap Reborn has doubled what Brubaker's title normally does. Plus, Cap Reborn is not an actual event, like when Secret Invasion outsold Final Crisis. Blackest Night is a true event, going throughout many DC comics. It would be more fair to compare Captain America Reborn sales to Flash Rebirth. (Which, btw, for the month of November is Cap at #3 and Flash at #9. Also, not shown in saying Cap is at #3 is that Cap Rebirth has been at #2, just behind Blackest Night...and, when Cap went to #3 in November, it's sales actually rose that month.)

Even comparing Final Crisis to Blackest Night shows what the public likes. Blackest Night is actually tying into the other books. Final Night really didn't do that. I think for these events to be significant, you have to see the reprecutions appearing in other books. Cap doesn't do that. It's really just an off-shoot of Brubaker's current Captain America run; and, for that, doubling your normal sales is pretty good.

 

[Dread]

I still beg to differ.

While you might believe that Marvel seriously believed Captain America Reborn would sell more than the event DC has been building over a year, I don't. If you look at normal Captain America sales, Cap Reborn has doubled what Brubaker's title normally does. Plus, Cap Reborn is not an actual event, like when Secret Invasion outsold Final Crisis. Blackest Night is a true event, going throughout many DC comics. It would be more fair to compare Captain America Reborn sales to Flash Rebirth. (Which, btw, for the month of November is Cap at #3 and Flash at #9. Also, not shown in saying Cap is at #3 is that Cap Rebirth has been at #2, just behind Blackest Night...and, when Cap went to #3 in November, it's sales actually rose that month.)

Even comparing Final Crisis to Blackest Night shows what the public likes. Blackest Night is actually tying into the other books. Final Night really didn't do that. I think for these events to be significant, you have to see the reprecutions appearing in other books. Cap doesn't do that. It's really just an off-shoot of Brubaker's current Captain America run; and, for that, doubling your normal sales is pretty good.

But some books are part of REBORN. INVINCIBLE IRON MAN had Steve show up, and made a big deal of it. We'll have the epilogue one-shot next week. So it does seem to matter more than FLASH REBIRTH.

Your point that the expansion of CA:R an extra issue having absolutely nothing to do with sales also has a problem. If Marvel, according to their statements, genuinely felt that Brubaker's story was so awesome that he (and Hitch) deserved an extra issue to tell it, then why have they done nothing about the rest of the line? Nothing to curb or edit the titles that now are AHEAD of REBORN and are pooching the climax's impact? If the story was so awesome that it couldn't be shortened, then why has Marvel chosen to punish the fan who reads several titles per week, every week (and let's be honest, that is 99% of Marvel, DC, and comics fans in general) by ruining REBORN for them with sloppy editing? Are they saying Mark Millar was worth it, but Brubaker isn't?

So, it's not about sales/money, and Marvel pooched the artistic narrative integrity angle. From what angle does this move work? The "shut up and buy the comic, whiner fanboy" angle that Joe Q (or at times Tom B.) use in interviews when someone asks something unscripted?

CA was selling twice what it was in 2003-2004 even two years after Rogers' death. REBORN will likely help keep that book in the Top 10 longer when it returns with #602 in a month or so (where IT may be ahead of REBORN too). But if you think Marvel's editors weren't at least trying to figure how REBORN would stack up against BLACKEST NIGHT, well, that's just unrealistic. These are the same people who thought Bendis using him as a guest star would make a DOCTOR VOODOO #1 at $4 a Top 50 seller.

The problem, I am discovering, is I am a critical fan with a long memory, exactly the type they hate, because we see the flaws in the wall.

 

[runawayboulder]

It's LAZYNESS and having ZERO PRIDE in your work plain and simple. Did Reborn #5 even come out today? I have no idea when I'll make it to the shop this week.

 

[Dread]

It's LAZYNESS and having ZERO PRIDE in your work plain and simple. Did Reborn #5 even come out today? I have no idea when I'll make it to the shop this week.

Yes, REBORN #5 was out this week.

 

[MX25]

Keep up great work, Dread. I agree with you 100%. We need more people like you. You're my favorite poster on here.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yes, and I had to choose between comics due to my lack in funds... Rebirth went back on the shelf. I didnt even ask the owner to hold it in my file. I just don't care anymore.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Really not a big deal to me. Anyone who had any illusions that Steve wouldn't be back to his normal self and wearing his normal costume at the end of Reborn must be living in some kind of fantasy land. Returning Steve to that status quo is the entire reason Reborn exists. The fact that they confirmed his status before Reborn's final two issues shipped means absolutely nothing to me.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Any good story should have the potential for an unexpected ending. Cap returning perfectly fine and in the Red White & Blue was the obvious ending, but there was always that possibility of an unexpected twist. Now that we know the obvious ending is what they went with, and that there is no twist, I don't really care what else happens in the mini. Maybe it would be bigger if I was actually a fan of Bru's cap run, but I don't read it, so I don't care. In the bigger Marvel/Avengers picture, it's just not appealing anymore.