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The NEW Wonder Woman Thread - How to Make a Tentpole Franchise

Thanks for commenting guys... I found one in particular that I wanted to respond to.

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So what version of Wonder Woman do you want? The William Molton Martsen version? The Ross Andru/Mike Esposito verson? The Mike Sekowski (I Ching) version? The George Perez verson? . How can you mandate that a screenwriter stay true to the comics when The comics has not even stayed true to itself?

While it can be argued that WW's versions vary greater than some other comics characters, the fact is that every major character has several different versions. IMHO, sticking to the comics involves the broad strokes, not the minute details that some fans express over. Bascially, the things that are consistent in all or most of the versions. Ie Wonder Woman is a woman, appears caucasian, wears a tiara and some red and blue and gold stuff. She's from Themiscira, she has XYZ powers, etc.

When I say sticking to the comics, I don't mean Steve Trevor should be X years old because, obviously, that's the kind of thing that's changed.
 
Still, GL1, posting this here doesn't really acomplish anything. If you find some way to spread your ideas to a wider audience, maybe. But as of right now, the only people who've read this are a handful of nerds with too much spare time.
 
So? TV has standards and practices, just like movies have ratings. Did S&P say that she couldn't be too strong or whatever?

Not saying that, it's just that TV has a different standard from movies and to compare the two is unequal.
She's a girl who was incredibly strong and always saved the day. Whatever else you might think of the show, she was an ass-kicking chick.

Yes, not denying that part but, like above, to compare Buffy and WW....
 
I've always liked Connelly for the role of WW. In fact, wasn't her name bantied about for a short while as being attached to this movie?
 
In a way,i think it would be very hard for DC to make a good WW film franchise.I dont think the masses have seen WW since the 1970`s..and that generation is going out.It would be a huge effert to make her appeal to a new generation..
 
Marvel has sold plenty of superheroes with less exposure than Diana has had; heck, Ghost Rider made a profit (I'm still amazed at that). Everyone knows who Wonder Woman is (at least, visually), so they're better positioned than many superhero films.

The only issue is the poor track record of female superhero films; but, then, the bigger problem there is that they've all sucked.
 
Marvel has sold plenty of superheroes with less exposure than Diana has had; heck, Ghost Rider made a profit (I'm still amazed at that). Everyone knows who Wonder Woman is (at least, visually), so they're better positioned than many superhero films.

The only issue is the poor track record of female superhero films; but, then, the bigger problem there is that they've all sucked.
Yeah, the fact that so many sucked definitely is a problem. Kind of makes me long for the days when James Cameron made "Aliens"...
 
Still, GL1, posting this here doesn't really acomplish anything. If you find some way to spread your ideas to a wider audience, maybe. But as of right now, the only people who've read this are a handful of nerds with too much spare time.

I agree, and perhaps I'm thinking about it too hard, but, making the perfect Wonder Woman film doesn't really accomplish anything either... That's the best I can explain while I feel satisfied posting these thoughts here for now, as opposed to making the effort to have a WB exec see them.
 
I agree, and perhaps I'm thinking about it too hard, but, making the perfect Wonder Woman film doesn't really accomplish anything either...

It does when what you want to acomplish is making the perfect Wonder Woman movie.
 
So, I'm guessing some of us have read the story in USA Today about female superheroes by now....I don't think we'll get much help from THAT paper.
 
The Question - Touche.

Drayven'sCrow - I actually don't get that paper... could you share the general idea?
 
I think the article is pretty dumb. Firstly, Jessica Alba in FF was terrible, so holding her up as an example of a strong female character in a comic film is dumb. They ignore the X-Men movies.

And, overall, they totally mischaracterize comics fans. Do we like our heroines to be unrealistically sexy? Of course. But, here:
Women as superheroes are a tougher sell — like Catwoman ($40 million) or Elektra ($24 million).
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"That may be because fanboys are, well, boys," Butler says. "They like women in distress or supporting roles — or in a bondage outfit with open-toed stilettos like Catwoman."
First, that statement is contradictory; if fanboys prefer women dressed like Catwoman, why was Catwoman a flop? Fans love strong female superheroes; and they complain plenty about "women in distress" characters like Mary Jane in the Spider-Man films (although I don't have a big problem with that).

The big issue, as I've said, is that no one has yet made a good superhero movie with a woman headlining.
 
I think the article is pretty dumb. Firstly, Jessica Alba in FF was terrible, so holding her up as an example of a strong female character in a comic film is dumb. They ignore the X-Men movies.

I think they're just making the point that she's the biggest star in a successful superhero franchise, without being Nancy from Sin City.

The big issue, as I've said, is that no one has yet made a good superhero movie with a woman headlining.

Agreed. When I look at a list of including "Catwoman" and "Elektra" I don't think "female superhero movies" first, I think "movies that suck" first.
 
I've always liked Connelly for the role of WW. In fact, wasn't her name bantied about for a short while as being attached to this movie?

Connelly has always been a fan fave, but as far as we know she was never considered for the WW project.
 
I think they're just making the point that she's the biggest star in a successful superhero franchise, without being Nancy from Sin City.



FF being a successful superhero franchise is still VERY debatable.....
 
think cloaked jet, like the Klingon Bird of Prey. not the see-through version. that doesnt make any sense.

and the comics caught up since Marston's version. Mark Waid's Trinity shows a cloaked jet (hence invisible) as well as Paul Dini and Alex Ross Spirit of Truth.



I agree.....IF they do show an "invisible jet" per se then it should shown as a Jet with a cloaking device.
 
wondering if ne one read the LatinoReview script review for the script that Joel Silver took off the market right before letting Whedon go...? Here it is just in case... i like the sound of it a lot.

Rating:A-

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Reviewed by: El Mayimbe - 02.03.07


WONDER WOMAN
Screenplay by Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland
Story by Matthew Jennison, Brent Strickland and Kevin Shawley
Based on the DC Comics characters created by William Moulton Marston
130 pages


OYE MIRA!

EL MAGNIFICO MOFACKIN’ MAYIMBE HERE!

Welcome to our Super Bowl Edition Superhero Spec Spotlight! The last time we did one of these was on Batman Begins.

But first about that J.J. Star Trek thing…

After all, I said it is just a rumor, but folks, as Public Enemy sang famously back in the days – DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE! That rumor is picking up steam in the business community here in Hollywood – hence why I reported it to Ronnie Adams. There is something really fishy going on over there on Melrose.

The trades say one thing, then the next day something else happens.

Case in point – WONDER WOMAN!

Warner Bros. buys this excellent spec script (which we will preview for you shortly) and says something along the lines of committing to Whedon’s contemporary version, then the very next day Whedon is off the project!

Just like I suspected. Why would you take a spec off the market when you own the rights already? I never bought this protection from liability jibberish that the trades were spoon-feeding us.

See why you can never trust the trades! See la comemierderia!

My goodness it is Black Superhero Friday or what? First Whedon is off Wonder Woman, and now David Goyer is off The Flash!

Que carajo is going on over there in Burbank?

Anyway, in regards to Wonder Woman – the spec that Silver picked up ROCKS!
A fun filled adventure packed girl power action movie in the 1940s!

1943 to be exact. Just where this character belongs.

Now I know ya’ll are not here to hear my rants in colloquial Spanglish so let’s get to it and preview the first act.

We open with QUEEN HIPPOLYTE and her THREE THOUSAND AMAZON WARRIORS all clad in battle armor and bracelets.

We pull back even further and FIFTY THOUSAND MEN, all armed for war, advance on the Amazon.

In VOICEOVER HIPPOLYTE tells us that they were created to guard against the evils of the world. Strong, wise, and compassionate, Hera gave breath to the AMAZON. In the ancient days, they lived among Mankind…but Man fears what it cannot control. Man sought to take the power of the Amazon but doing so would have destroyed Man’s World.

Hippolyte erupts in a battle cry and the Amazon charge forward, meeting the army of man head on.

The action is fierce. The Amazon are superior warriors, but the numbers of Man’s army are too great and the Amazon take heavy casualties.

Hippolyte further tell us that to protect the world from such devastation they would do anything. Even flee.

We next see Hippolyte leading twenty Amazon ships into the open ocean. An Armada is in hot pursuit. She further tells us that they sailed forth without a destination, guided only by their faith.

Hera heard her prayers.

Hippolyte steers her ships toward a Heavenly star and the Amazon make it past the storm, which engulfs man’s ships towards – THEMYSCIRA. Hippolyte finishes her voiceover by telling us that Themyscira has been The Amazon’s home for three thousand years, a place where they could live in peace, hidden from the world of man.

After the credit sequence over a montage of military imagery showing the history of mankind’s warfare growing even deadlier, we open in 1943 Germany and meet

STEVE TREVOR (30)

A tall, handsome son of a senator but made it on his own American in a Nazi SS disguise, snaps photos of Nazi Jet blueprints that look incredibly advanced for the 1940s.
The words “AMERIKA BOMBER” and FLEISCHER GESELLSCHAFT” appear on the bottom of each design. Steve discovers that the Nazis are going to bomb Washington D.C. and New York.

Steve’s cover is blown and gets chased by the Nazis. He makes it to the Nazi hangar and steals a Nazi jet, which looks more like a stealth bomber than a WWII era plane. It’s the Amerika Bomber from the blueprints.

He navigates it out of there as the Nazis open fire on the jet. He flies over the Ocean and is leaking fuel. He makes it through the clouds and head towards a tropical island.

THEMYSCIRA.

A majestic city hugs the coastline and stretches up into the mountains. Its architecture is a mix of Greek Temples and Elaborate Towers standing watch over the gleaming streets.

A huge coliseum stands in the center of the city, its rim decorated with statues of the Grecian gods.

We descend into a long street-level tunnel that empties into the arena floor. At the end of the tunnel we see the silhouette of a young woman – DIANA.

She takes a deep breath and places a helmet overhead obscuring her face before we see it. She enters the coliseum and wears a black skirt of leather strips and a GOLDEN BREASTPLATE with the form of an eagle, wings spread. Her bodice and leather boots are both DARK RED.

Thousands of Amazons in colorful robes fill the stands. A cheer rises as the red Amazon warrior moves to the center of the ring, where another masked Amazon waits, and this one in dark green – she is PHILLIPUS.

Four challengers remain to determine the strongest and best suited to find their sister, GALINA. Hera’s choice will soon be revealed.

We then get some super cool girl on girl gladiator action – DIANA VS PHILLIPUS.

It is no secret who wins. Then we get WHITE (ARTEMIS) vs BLUE (ODIA).

Artemis wins, then gets disqualified from the final round and doesn’t fight Diana.

Diana, her face still covered, kneels before Hippolyte on the coliseum floor and has proven herself the greatest warrior of the Amazon. Now it is her duty to return to Man’s world and find Galina.

She removes her helmet and for the first time we see her. She is barely twenty; she’s beautiful, with long black hair and just like her mother – HIPPOLYTE.
Hippolyte has a fit. She forbade Diana from partaking in the contest. Hippolyte orders her to go to the palace.

Steve meanwhile crashes into a forested park in Themyscira. Diana runs into Steve and they meet. Diana saves Steve’s life and frees him the wreckage. Steve then gets arrested by the Amazon. Hippolyte and her entourage appear on a hover chariot.

Hippolyte takes Diana on the hover chariot. Here we learn that Galina was sent to Man’s world to ensure that Pandora’s Box is secure but she apparently went missing hence the contest for an Amazon warrior to go find Galina. Phillipus, who Diana beat in the contest, is going to man’s world to find Galina much to the dismay of Diana. Mother and daughter get into an argument.

Steve is taken to the Senate Hall. Hippolyte puts the GOLDEN ROPE around Steve and he tells the truth. The Amazon doesn’t believe him, they think man captured Galina and stole the Amazon technology. Steve is sentenced by the senate to death.

We then find out that the Amazons protect the key – a crystal that hangs on Hippolyte’s neck. If man came into possession of Pandora’s box and the key - it would be catastrophic.

Diana rescues Steve from his cell. She also steals a GOLDEN BELT – the belt of Aphrodite, which allows an Amazon to walk in disguise among men. Diana also steals a GOLDEN ROPE – Hestia’s Golden Lasso, which is unbreakable and any whom it binds, must speak the truth.

Diana and Steve make their getaway from Themyscira on you guessed it – THE INVISBLE JET.

Diana controls the jet with the GOLD TIARA with RUBY STAR on it. It resembles Hippolyte’s crown but is shaped to lie flat across the forehead.

On page 34 – Steve and Diana race out of Themyscira – cross the first threshold – and head back to Washington.

End Act 1

Like I said, the script rocks. We of course get Diana repelling Nazi bullets with her bracelets and she beats the **** out of Nazi bad guys by the dozens. She has the strength of ten men.

For those fans concerned about her outfit – no worries.

When she finally makes her debut as Wonder Woman on page 86, her Wonder Woman outfit is a combination of her Amazon battle gear and the American flag, the costume we all know as Wonder Woman but slightly more combat ready. SHE LOOKS HOT!
The first part of the 2nd half of Act 2 (the test, allies, and enemies stage) takes place in Washington and of course Nazi bad guys (to good effect in this script) and double agents – Threshold Guardians – keep Steve and Diana busy.

The 2nd part of Act 2 takes place in Berlin as Diana and Steve intensify their search for Galina.

The 3rd Act and battle royale finale takes place back on Themyscira as the Amazons and their hover chariots fight a fleet of the Nazi Amerika Bombers as the main villain, who is revealed late in the game (which I won’t spoil) goes all out for the key on Hippolyte’s neck. The 3rd act is wall-to-wall action.

Overall, a very great read. The writers did their homework. As a comic book character origin movie - it is just as good as Batman Begins.

I can see why Silver supposedly took it off the spec market. If I was a betting man, I figure this is the origin story that Warners might stick with. My note to the studio is to not touch the script, leave it intact, get yourself a good director and shoot this script. It is all there on the page.

Spec Screenwriting 101

My only beef with the script, which could have shaved 10-15 pages off the thing, is the overuse of CONTINUED at the top and bottom of the script, which is OFF LIMITS in a spec, and the use of German dialogue then it’s subtitled English counterpart. When you write any language, either below the character’s name, or as in vogue today, next to the character’s name – use a parenthesis (in German, with English subtitles) then the English dialogue. It is a waste of space and lines and supremely redundant to include foreign dialogue, which a reader can’t understand anyway only to translate it right after. Damn noobies. Read David Trottier’s books! One of my pet peeves about specs. I **** you not, I know readers who pass on bad screenplay format no matter how good the story is.

Anyway, who do you guys pick as Wonder Woman?

My top choice would have to be Rachel McAdams and then Jessica Biel second.

I think the role of Hippolyte, Diana’s mother, is tailor written for Catherine Zeta Jones.

Check back real soon to see my next spec script spotlight by a very famous writer/director. He is some guy who heard voices.

Until then, enjoy the game!

In the meantime, I am looking for the following scripts – RUG EATER by Miguel Arteta, and John Ridley’s L.A. RIOTS. You got ‘em? Email me.

HASTA EL PROXIMO CAPITULO…

…YO SOY EL MAYIMBE!
 
wondering if ne one read the LatinoReview script review for the script that Joel Silver took off the market right before letting Whedon go...? Here it is just in case... i like the sound of it a lot.



I read this review and I'm glad WB's and Silver picked it up. It sounds like a great and epic style story. Bring in another accomplished writer.....maybe David Benioff.....to clean it up and go with it. Two directors come to mind when I think of who should be at the helm of this WW epic. Terrance Malick or Ridley Scott. I wouldn't mind if they stick to the 40's period piece setting. It would be different and it would give it a more epic feel.


I read this review and I'm glad WB's and Silver picked it up. It sounds like a great and epic style story. Bring in another accomplished writer.....maybe David Benioff.....to clean it up and go with it. Two directors come to mind when I think of who should be at the helm of this WW epic. Terrance Malick or Ridley Scott. I wouldn't mind if they stick to the 40's period piece setting. It would be different and it would give it a more epic feel.


Princess Diana/WW- Jessica Biel (easily IMO)

Queen Hippolyte- Catherine Zeta-Jones or Jennifer Connelly

Steve Trevor- James Franco
 
I'd like them to do the George Perez version of Wonder Woman. His take on Wonder Woman ROCKED. Also, I want Wonder Woman flying on her own without having to rely on the damn Invisible Jet; the Jet is just too campy, makes me think of Superfriends. I hate that.

GL1, pretty much agreed with everything you said.

I recently procured the first 10 issues of George Perez' revamp, and I entirely agree with you on that.
 

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