The Nicolas Cage discussion thread

[pinkfloydstarr]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no worries man.

Have you ever seen Face/Off? Brilliant action movie where Cage is simply amazing in it.

face/off was ok and nick was certinly better than john travola

 

[FlameHead]

I loved it personally and what was best about it was how aweseme the two leads did in becoming each other. Nic was able to grasp John's little quirks perfectly and visa versa.

I love that movie.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

But can you really blame Israel? Theyve been Rocketed and suicide bombed for 30 years. In fact Hezbula invented suicide bombing in Israel. Israel gives up the West Bank, and they get bombed. They give up Gaza, and they get bombed. both areas are higher than the rest of Israel, so now its easier for the terrorists to rocket them. Not to mention that after Israel gave up those areas, its not like the terrorists moved in and built schools, and roads. They tore all the houses down and turned it into a craphole. Lebenon would be soo much better off without the "state within a state" by allowing a terrorist org. in its Government. I hope Lebenon will get thru this difficult time, because they were on the right track to become a major voice of reason in an otherwise unreasonable part of the world.....This really Sux D

You know most people in the press will never say this, but YES, you can blame Israel, and NO you won't be an anti-semite for saying it.

1. Hezbollah would never have been created had it not been for Israel's occupation of Lebanon.

2. Israel has been kidnapping, assasinating, Hezbollah officials for decades.

3. This war has nothing to do with destroying Hezbollah, because Israel can NOT destroy Hezbollah. What this war will do is make them even stronger. Most of the deaths have been innocent civilians, most of the destruction have been to the country's infrastructure, roads, apartments, civilian airports, media stations, everything.

In my opinion, Israel's attack on Lebanon is what is called State Terrorism.

 

[WiscoD]

You know most people in the press will never say this, but YES, you can blame Israel, and NO you won't be an anti-semite for saying it.

1. Hezbollah would never have been created had it not been for Israel's occupation of Lebanon.

2. Israel has been kidnapping, assasinating, Hezbollah officials for decades.

3. This war has nothing to do with destroying Hezbollah, because Israel can NOT destroy Hezbollah. What this war will do is make them even stronger. Most of the deaths have been innocent civilians, most of the destruction have been to the country's infrastructure, roads, apartments, civilian airports, media stations, everything.

In my opinion, Israel's attack on Lebanon is what is called State Terrorism.

Your serious?? Please tell me your not.

 

[Hack and Slash]

wow, big news here!

 

[Advanced Dark]

You know most people in the press will never say this, but YES, you can blame Israel, and NO you won't be an anti-semite for saying it.

1. Hezbollah would never have been created had it not been for Israel's occupation of Lebanon.

2. Israel has been kidnapping, assasinating, Hezbollah officials for decades.

3. This war has nothing to do with destroying Hezbollah, because Israel can NOT destroy Hezbollah. What this war will do is make them even stronger. Most of the deaths have been innocent civilians, most of the destruction have been to the country's infrastructure, roads, apartments, civilian airports, media stations, everything.

In my opinion, Israel's attack on Lebanon is what is called State Terrorism.

So what can we move back on topic please. Go back to your holy war website and try to recruit terrorists there please.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

We can always stay on topic, but theres no reason for you to be ignorant and xenophobic. I was simply replying to somebodyy else's remarks.

 

[gvcool2]

I'm off to the Israel boards, apparntly there having a mean discussion over ghost rider

 

[WiscoD]

We can always stay on topic, but theres no reason for you to be ignorant and xenophobic. I was simply replying to somebodyy else's remarks.

Whos teaching you this??

 

[Mr Nick]

Whilst I respect everyone's opinion on subjects like this, I find it far too grim and serious to comment.

It illustrates perfectly why I read comics: to escape the horrible things going on in the world.

This thread's gotten just a tad too real for me.

 

[FlameHead]

Just this thread Nick and it's totally my fault. I feel horrible for starting it though, I do think it's something every should think about and research at least once in their life.

Regardless, perhaps we should try to restrict it to the Movie itself and or Nic's involvement in the movie.

MM, I cannot express how your last post made me feel. You're openness and kind, wise words has really removed a lot of the stress I was feeling about posting my thoughts here. Thank you.

By the way, for those who don't know, I'm the Steve he was talkin' about.

EDIT: LOL. I just remembered my signature. It has my freakin' name for pete's sake....

 

[Mr Nick]

Ah don't blame yerself, dude. It's the internet; people can go off on one about anything at any time.

I just like to see everyone here getting along. Dig?

 

[FlameHead]

On, believe me, I'm with you all the way on that. I'm very proud of this place and how well we have all gotten along over the past few years. It's rare to find on the interweb.

Anyhoo, anyone else like Nic's mustache in this movie?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Your serious?? Please tell me your not.

And if I AM serious you're going to think I'm a terrorist? Look deeper than what you see on TV news. I don't support Israel AT ALL. Also, we need to stop screwing around and get our troops back home and out of that freakin area in general.

There's no point we're spending 3 Billion US Tax dollars every year for Israel when I can't even get 5 cents break on the gas pump.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Whos teaching you this??

Who's teaching me what? I dont watch Fox News, or CNN, ABC, or any of that biased coverage.

I get the news feed directly from Reuters, Associated Press, Asia Times, Voice of America, National Public Radio, everything except whats on TV. Almost all of the US TV stations are owned by giant corporations that CHOOSE what you need to know. If you watch only American news, at a time when America is at WAR, you're only getting 25% of the story, sorry to say.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Got it.

http://www.suite101.com/lesson.cfm/19217/2850/3

Morpheus: “I stand here without fear because I remember… I remember that for one hundred years we have fought these machines. I remember that for one hundred years they have sent their armies to destroy us. And, after a century of war I remember that which matters most: We are still here.”

Probably one of the best lines in Matrix Reloaded. Anyways...

We are still here, but many are not however. When we started this war, America seemed to rejoice when those first bombs were dropped on Afghanistan. Now, some years later, we don't even need to drop bombs cause they're already strapped to suicide bombers inside of buses.

Having watched the movie, Paradise Now very recently, that movie really exemplifies the lifestyle, to a person such as myself. To believe in something so much that you're willing to sacrifice your life in the name of your belief; though there was a twist at the end which I won't say outright as to not ruin the movie, but to have that much courage and victor in yourself and friends is truely amazing. That said, I'm not in ANY WAY proclaiming what these people do is right in ANY WAY, I restate. It's simply a movie, and a very good one at that.

Moving forward a little bit, this war in the Middle East has been raging on for hundreds of years, and even before then. The United States is trying to lend a hand to stop the chaos, but it's obviously not going right. Combine that with WOMD talk and false hopes, and it's easy to see why Americans and other people worldwide are not happy with our efforts. The bottom line -- results. There have been a few captures, Saddam Hussein for one, and a few leading members of Al-Queda. But, like M_S said (relating to his below post), Osama is still wandering around, much of Afghanistan is still in turmoil, and there are more disasters then ever... or so it seems. There have always been "disasters" whether it be Pearl Harbor, 9/11, or the bombing of Heroshima and Nagasaki. My point is, that these threats and actions are being brought to the mainstream now, though it does involve sadly the loss of thousands of good souls and good citizens.

In what is supposed to be a future of Hovering cars, teleportating walls, and peace -- it seems that we have everything but. There is the same amount of chaos now that there was during the previous World Wars. Terrorism is still alive and well and lives are still being lost. Instead of hovering cars, we have cars that are running at $3/gallon gasoline and we live in an world where the top company in the world... is, get this... a gasoline and oil company -- Mobile Exxon. Oddly enough, 9 of the top 10 companies in the world are automobile or gasoline related. The lone other company, Wal-Mart. (From Fortune Magazine's Global 500 list).

The world just seems to be going backwards with no sight of peace or a Jetson-esque lifestyle. Now that the mainstream world knows and cares about these disasters, the only question which remains is; will the world ever be peaceful and when?

Yeah, when the Cold War ended people really thought the world would be at peace, but we face so many challenges from within and from the outside.

The only thing I will disagree with is that contrary to what you believe, the mainstream world does not know the situation of what is going on in many parts of the world, even know the Internet has opened up the 'global village' as they say.

Once upon a time, "Darfur" and "Tsunami" was on the news, and ofcourse not anymore. Once upon time, "Afghanistan" was on the front page, now it's in a small 'ticker' at the bottom of a news program.

Once upon a time, a US citizen could stand up and say we have a right to question what our government is doing with our tax money and our American soldiers. With the new patriot act, if a US citizen stages a protest, he/she will be monitored, have his citizenship taken away, he can be taken to a secret prison, his name, job, and reputation ruined. If you don't think its true, you should read the Patriot Act.

The world as we knew it is over, and as Mr. Nick said:

"It illustrates perfectly why I read comics: to escape the horrible things going on in the world."

 

[Riding Ghost]

You know most people in the press will never say this, but YES, you can blame Israel, and NO you won't be an anti-semite for saying it.

1. Hezbollah would never have been created had it not been for Israel's occupation of Lebanon.

2. Israel has been kidnapping, assasinating, Hezbollah officials for decades.

3. This war has nothing to do with destroying Hezbollah, because Israel can NOT destroy Hezbollah. What this war will do is make them even stronger. Most of the deaths have been innocent civilians, most of the destruction have been to the country's infrastructure, roads, apartments, civilian airports, media stations, everything.

In my opinion, Israel's attack on Lebanon is what is called State Terrorism.

Sorry good buddy, but you couldn't be more wrong....imo

Israel has done nothing but respond to what the terrorists do. Israel pulls back, gives up land and are rewarded by suicide bombings, because the terrorists will accept nothing but the complete destruction of Israel(and they're not shy about admitting that). You tell us, how do you make peace with anyone who openly declares that under no circumstance will they accept your existence???
Also, the "collateral damage" you mention would be less if the terrorist quit using the lebanese people as shields.....seems they care less about their people than the rest of the world does.
Could you imagine U.S. troops hiding behind women and children...much less strapping bombs to them for suicide attacks? That whould never ever happen.....its not our way and if we did, everyone would be outraged because the U.S. and Israel for that matter, are held to a higher standard, yet its fine when any group of terrorist do it....thats BS.
I don't know if its the muslim relegion, 3rd world mantality, or a combination of both, or something else entirely, but 1 thing is clear something must be done. One can argue about whether or not it was right for Bush to go into Iraq, but at least he did something for us all to sit around and criticize him for.
which is better than the crap load of nothing that has been done for 30 years. Speaking of 30 years, thats about how long the world has been enduring periodic suicide bombings, plane hijackings, kidnappings and all that ****. I for one am sick of it and to blame Israel for it instead of the ones doing it....is insane.....imho

 

[WiscoD]

Just this thread Nick and it's totally my fault. I feel horrible for starting it though, I do think it's something every should think about and research at least once in their life.

Regardless, perhaps we should try to restrict it to the Movie itself and or Nic's involvement in the movie.

MM, I cannot express how your last post made me feel. You're openness and kind, wise words has really removed a lot of the stress I was feeling about posting my thoughts here. Thank you.

By the way, for those who don't know, I'm the Steve he was talkin' about.

EDIT: LOL. I just remembered my signature. It has my freakin' name for pete's sake....

I got your back Bro!!! Say whatevers on your mind all the time.. I may or may not agree with you, but at least you seem like a reasonably intellegent person. Youve been torn by what youve read and researched on 9/11, which indicates that you are still flexable in your beliefs as I AM with MINE. Fexability allows someone to grow as a person, or re-enforce their beliefs.. More power to ya.. As you can tell by some of my posts, I change in tone depending on the subject. Sometimes( and this is for you MS) I am pretty firm in my support for Israel. But I can get short with people(MS) when i feel like im about to GO-OFF. To MS i apologise. Think what you will. I cant stop you. Just know that when i read your post about Israel being State Sponsered Terrorists, I just starred at my laptop screen for 20 minutes utterly speechless.. And yes, it seems strange to me that FH s post about 9/11 didnt upset me but yours did. Go figure eh? Riding Ghost said everything i wanted to in response so instead of rehashing it ill just say ditto to RG. MS... say what evers on your mind bro because id be a hippocrate if i said anything different.. More power to ya... i just think your wrong. ..D

 

[WiscoD]

And yes ...10 minutes from now ill change my mind and GO-OFF on everyone!!!!!!!!!! ......D ps 2 days ago i wrote something pretty damn funny and no one, NOT ONE S. O. B. COMMENTED ON HOW FUNNY IT WAS!!!!!! I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WiscoD]

Did no one catch the humor in my last post???? Maybe were all a little tired of this topic...well im off to find my sense of humor that i clearly have misplaced...

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Sorry good buddy, but you couldn't be more wrong....imo

Israel has done nothing but respond to what the terrorists do. Israel pulls back, gives up land and are rewarded by suicide bombings, because the terrorists will accept nothing but the complete destruction of Israel(and they're not shy about admitting that). You tell us, how do you make peace with anyone who openly declares that under no circumstance will they accept your existence???
Also, the "collateral damage" you mention would be less if the terrorist quit using the lebanese people as shields.....seems they care less about their people than the rest of the world does.
Could you imagine U.S. troops hiding behind women and children...much less strapping bombs to them for suicide attacks? That whould never ever happen.....its not our way and if we did, everyone would be outraged because the U.S. and Israel for that matter, are held to a higher standard, yet its fine when any group of terrorist do it....thats BS.
I don't know if its the muslim relegion, 3rd world mantality, or a combination of both, or something else entirely, but 1 thing is clear something must be done. One can argue about whether or not it was right for Bush to go into Iraq, but at least he did something for us all to sit around and criticize him for.
which is better than the crap load of nothing that has been done for 30 years. Speaking of 30 years, thats about how long the world has been enduring periodic suicide bombings, plane hijackings, kidnappings and all that ****. I for one am sick of it and to blame Israel for it instead of the ones doing it....is insane.....imho

No offense in my opinion, Israel has as much right to exist as Free Tibet or Independent Kurdistan. All it has done is destabilize its neighbors. I'd like to see what US would do if we gave 99% of their land back to the Native Americans and forced you to live in a refugee camp for the rest of your natural life.

Not all Jews are for Israel, some even believe that Israel is sponsoring terrorism by its land grabs and squatters. Speaking of using 'human shields.' Israel has been using Human shields for a long time. They get Arabs and use them as shields to lure other Arabs out of their houses.
Israelis themselves during their exodus from the Gaza strip were using themselves as Human shields.

What you're asking of resistance groups is to form a straight line and face the Israeli army in the straight line? Are you that naive to think their going to just let themselves get slaughtered in the open? Do they have the technology, weapons, arms, and nuclear bombs like the Israelis have? Gimme a break.

As for Iraq, Iraq was created by foreign powers. You wonder why the middle east is so f'ed up? Read the history. All those nations were created by ex-colonial powers. ALL of THEM. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Israel, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan You can NOT force people to live together just so you can conveniently manipulate them for your own interests.

For example, When Iran tried to nationalize their oil from Britain & the West who wanted to monopolize it, the CIA assasinated their ELECTED leader Mossadegh, and replaced him with the puppet Shah of Iran. His weakness and decadence led to the extremist Ayotollahs that replaced them.

You guys are only scratching the surface of how deep this conflict is, and I'm not going to try to convince you that you are wrong because you're already hardwired to your beliefs.

If anybody else wants to discuss this issue, send me a private message, theres no point to flood this topic with this endless debate.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

And yes ...10 minutes from now ill change my mind and GO-OFF on everyone!!!!!!!!!! ......D ps 2 days ago i wrote something pretty damn funny and no one, NOT ONE S. O. B. COMMENTED ON HOW FUNNY IT WAS!!!!!! I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wisco, I apologize if my remarks hurt your feelings. But hey we all live in a nation where we can express them right?

As for your damn funny remark, REPOST! I must have missed it.

 

[WiscoD]

Wisco, I apologize if my remarks hurt your feelings. But hey we all live in a nation where we can express them right?

As for your damn funny remark, REPOST! I must have missed it.

NOPE!!! If you missed it , you missed it. No funny jokes for you...lol And no i dont have feelings, so they cant be hurt. I just dont understand your position. But hey i dont need to eh?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Wisco, yeah it don't matter really. It's like that saying goes:

"Debating on the internet is like running in the special olympics.... Even if you win, you are still ******ed!"

 

[WiscoD]

Wisco, yeah it don't matter really. It's like that saying goes:

"Debating on the internet is like running in the special olympics.... Even if you win, you are still ******ed!"

THAT was funny!