The Nicolas Cage discussion thread

[Vartha]

That would be cool to see Balze's face melt off slowly wouldn't it?

 

[Mr Nick]

Yeah, I want to see a real painful, detailed transformation, at least the first time it happens. I keep citing American Werewolf In London as a great example.

I reckon the first time it happens, it'll be when Johnny's rooted to the Hellcycle by Mephisto. That's what the Comic Con footage seemed to indicate. It'd be pretty cool for Mephisto to send him roaring off into the night at a hundred miles an hour while his flesh combusts and flies away and he screams in absolute agony. Mw-ha-ha!

 

[FlameHead]

The first time it happens will likely be when he's younger and not Nic Cage. He'll be Matt Long and have just made the deal perhaps...

If your interested, there is a Transformation thread; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146159

 

[Uncanny Orb]

The first time it happens will likely be when he's younger and not Nic Cage. He'll be Matt Long and have just made the deal perhaps...

I don't think so, Mephisto will make the deal, then return when he's an adult and needs him to be the Ghost Rider.

 

[FlameHead]

Hmm, that also makes perfect sense. I know that Blaze is left alone for 20 years but I assumed that he spent a little time as the vengeance demon before that happening.

 

[Mr Nick]

I was under the impression that (in the film) Johnny sold his soul then spent the next part of his life dreading Mephisto turning up at his door to collect. At least, I hope that's the way it'll be. If we know he's been GR before we see him, it'll take the edge off the drama of the first transformation scene.

 

[BIGGUN]

I was under the impression that (in the film) Johnny sold his soul then spent the next part of his life dreading Mephisto turning up at his door to collect. At least, I hope that's the way it'll be. If we know he's been GR before we see him, it'll take the edge off the drama of the first transformation scene.

i think it will be too...from what i understand we get to see a "old west" style GR at the start of the movie...then moves to early 80s where Blaze makes the deal....then cuts to present day where Mephisto calls on him to force the change. 20 years of waiting knowing that the Devil will come calling on you to take your soul basically. that would suck....i compare it to waiting for the IRS to audit you....dont know when exactly but it WILL happen..heh.
i do admit that it would have been cool if young Blaze did change.....dont show the transformation ...just GR riding off in a old style Blaze stuntsuit (similar to the 70s comics) on a different hellcycle. GR would have appeared in the 80s for a short time, dissapeared for 20 years, then comes back later. there could be legends being spoken by local folk who remember seeing a fiery ghost like being riding the highways at night looking for evil people to punish.
could have been nice to have but i agree it would have lessened the impact of Cage's first change into GR.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

Some guy running his mouth.

[font=Arial, Helvetica]EXCESS HOLLYWOOD: GHOST RIDER MOTORCYCLE HERO[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica]by Doug Brunell
[font=Arial, Helvetica](11/03/2005)[/font]


[font=Arial, Helvetica]Nicolas Cage -- actor and comic book reader. His name is even taken from Marvel Comics’ Luke Cage, a hero for hire. In the past he's been slated to play Superman, which would've been ... bad. Cage has neither the body nor the mentality to convincingly pull off that icon. That was years ago, though. Now he's got a project he feels somewhat closer to in his own strange way -- Ghost Rider. [/font][/font]







[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]Ghost Rider is a hero with a flaming skull who rides on a motorcycle and shoots flames out his hands. I first discovered his comic book around the same time I was reading "Famous Monsters of Filmland,” and it's no wonder the '70s Marvel book appealed to me. The character just looked so damn cool. His books have been failed attempts as of late, though, but the concept is still sound. That said, it’s too bad Cage is playing him. [/font][/font]







[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]I like Cage as an actor, but I can’t envision him as Ghost Rider because he always seems like Cage playing a role. I never lose myself in his performances and forget the man behind them. To make the Ghost Rider character work, you have to believe in him and the concept. The movie should be all about the character. It shouldn’t be about Cage, but that’s exactly how it sounds like it’s going to be. After all, Cage has said that this character is closer to his true nature than any other character he’s ever played. [/font][/font]







[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]Ghost Rider is fairly obscure, and was never extremely popular (until the ‘90s, but that was a different version of the character). Cage probably did like him back in the ‘70s and may have felt that he and the stuntman turned skeleton shared some personality traits, but I have to wonder if the decision to play him was really based on the fact that he would get to wear leather, ride around on a motorcycle and have a flaming skull. What actor wouldn't think that was cool? [/font][/font]







[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]Unfortunately, cool does not make a film. The right person in the right role does, and Cage is not the right person for Ghost Rider. If he had to play any hero or villain, I'd actually put him in the role of King Rad from "Brat Pack." I may actually buy that. Ghost Rider, however, should be portrayed by a relative unknown -- an average guy who is overwhelmed by what's been thrust upon him. He should be someone you believe could make a deal with the devil and live to regret it. That's not Cage. [/font][/font]







[font=Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica]What's done is done, though, and Cage will be burning onto screens far too soon. Some people will love it. Some will hate it. Others, like myself, will ignore it and see something else. It's still a shame, though. You'd think a guy with an obvious love for comic books would be able to pick a character he's better suited to play. But then again, he did name himself after a man who wore a yellow silk shirt and was known to occasionally proclaim, "Sweet Momma Christmas!" I guess there is no accounting for taste.

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I do agree with some of what he says, as I never wanted Nic Cage as GR. But whats done is done. I'll still be the first one on line on opening night. and besides I'n not going to see Nic I'm going to see Ghost Rider.

 

[Mr Nick]

I can't get mad at the guy. He's just giving his opinion. But I would say that, regardless of anyone's opinion of Nic playing Johnny, every GR fan should thank him for helping to get the film made. Without him, it might not have happened.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I can't get mad at the guy. He's just giving his opinion. But I would say that, regardless of anyone's opinion of Nic playing Johnny, every GR fan should thank him for helping to get the film made. Without him, it might not have happened.

Yeah that is a great way of putting it. Without Nic Cage we probably wouldn't be getting the Ghost Rider we are getting July 14th.

 

[PeterPan]

Ghost Rider should be a good movie...Nic Cage is a great actor and can pull off pretty much any role, alot of time was put into this film so i cant picture it being bad...

 

[FlameHead]

Welcome to the hype PeterPan. I hope we see you around the GR section more.

As for Nic, I'm now happy that he's doing it as I'm sure it'll be great because he has a passion for the character. Anybody who stays involved in the project for 4 or more years is A okay with me, even if I was dead set against him when he was announced. He'll be great. Have faith.

 

[FlameHead]

Nic is awesome in this regard...

18) One more question from me; How involved is Nic Cage in the process at this point?

As much as he can be, with Nic's crazy schedule. He just saw the movie for the first time and loved it. But he always has ideas to make it better. It's great working with him because he knows this character so well. We can talk in shorthand. He's the perfect Johnny Blaze.

 

[BIGGUN]

thats very cool to hear Cage is still involved...i was afraid he would just show up for his check and think nothing of the movie afterwards. that would have been a BAD sign.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

I was reading an article that was saying Nic has 7 films in production right now, I can see why he hasn't much time.

 

[FlameHead]

He's a busy man indeed.

thats very cool to hear Cage is still involved...i was afraid he would just show up for his check and think nothing of the movie afterwards. that would have been a BAD sign.

I didn't expect him to give up once it was filming because it was involved with the project for 5 years or something. He's invested so much and that's great to see. As much as I was against Nic at the start of this whole Ghost Rider talk, I think he's the best choice now.

 

[FlameHead]

Don't even get me started on this.

Though it looks far better than United 93, I still believe it to be only propoganda. I'll reserve my judgement for now though...

 

[Mr Nick]

It'll be interesting to compare World Trade Center and United 93.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Its just a little too damn early for 9/11 movies.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

Well it's gotta be better than Weatherman.

 

[xwolverine2]

Don't even get me started on this.

Though it looks far better than United 93, I still believe it to be only propoganda. I'll reserve my judgement for now though...

i have to agree with you...

im not watching that -censored-

 

[xwolverine2]

Well it's gotta be better than Weatherman.

weatherman was aweosme

 

[Uncanny Orb]

weatherman was aweosme

More like awful.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Lords of War was an AWESOME movie. I've accepted the fact that Nic Cage is playing John Blaze, but it took me a long time.

It's probably a good thing that the movie was delayed a while back, it gives time for people to accept the fact that a middle-aged actor is playing the lead role in a movie oriented for Young Adults, not to mention a very well schooled Actor who has great screen charisma and charm.

 

[FlameHead]

This thread is bump worthy eh?