The Dark Knight The Non-Spoiler Critic Review Thread

i cant wait to hear what ebert has to say, because he loved begins, saying it was the first film to finally get it right....and if TDK is as good as they say it is, then it's at least 50 times better than begins. plus, even though sometimes he comes off like he's lost his mind, i still think he's the most trustworthy critic out there.
 
I just watched the Ebert & Roeper review on YouTube (I put my hand over the video when they were showing whole sequences) and while I hate them (especially Roeper), Roeper seemed to genuinely think this movie is great. He even went so far as to say it deserves a nomination for Best Picture and is along the lines of The Departed and Heat! This was the first time I heard a critic suggest this be nominated for Best Picture (it's all been talk about Heath getting nominated, which he should, and Roeper suggests that as well). God, I can't wait any longer!

Yeah I closed out when they showed the first footage that wasn't in the trailers/TV spots, but from the little I watched it's clear they loved it.
 
What kind of footage are they showing? Is it the some of the 12 clips?
 
for those who don't want to watch the whole Roeper video because of the clips here are some quotes:

"one of the best movies of the year and should merit consideration for a Best Picture nomination"

"it will be an upset if Ledger isn't nominated for Best Supporting Actor"

"Nolan has fashioned a near-masterpiece, maybe the best superhero movie ever made"

"see it twice"

"one of the great achievements of the year"

the Ebert stand-in complained about the runtime, but Roeper says "it's the fastest 2 1/2 hours i've spent at the movies in years" and nothing could have been cut.

edit: i think they showed 3 out of the 12 clips, king.
 
for those who don't want to watch the whole Roeper video because of the clips here are some quotes:

"one of the best movies of the year and should merit consideration for a Best Picture nomination"

"it will be an upset if Ledger isn't nominated for Best Supporting Actor"

"Nolan has fashioned a near-masterpiece, maybe the best superhero movie ever made"

"see it twice"

"one of the great achievements of the year"

the Ebert stand-in complained about the runtime, but Roeper says "it's the fastest 2 1/2 hours i've spent at the movies in years" and nothing could have been cut.

edit: i think they showed 3 out of the 12 clips, king.

ahhh that's so awesome im so glad to read that
 
Awesome news!!

I'll watch it after July 18th, I don't want to be spoiled' I've gone this far. ;)
 
http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDK_TDK-review_billramey_7-8.html

BOF's review, don't know if it has spoilers. Gonna tread it carefully right now.

Edit- First line: FYI: As you would expect, this review contains NO SPOILERS due to my respect for the filmmakers...
...and ALL Batman fans. - "Jett"

So there's that. :p

Edit 2- Having read most of this review, I'd say it's my third favorite behind IGN's and RS's. Maybe it's because I want to believe what he's saying, but damn he does a great job of hyping this film.

Edit 3- There's a slight spoiler about who does a speech at the end of the film... just FYI. (Nothing about the speech's contents, though.)
 
HOW COULD HE?
aha have a link?
edit: nevermind, got it
 
so david edelstein posted the first negative review of TDK. jerk.

Yeah I saw that. I dunno if was the only one getting this vibe from it, but it seemed his negative points were very forced, almost as if he was trying really hard to make it sound bad. And if you sort through the review and pinpoint all the negative thoughts he spews, it pretty well all comes down to the movie being too dark for him. So, I dunno, maybe it was just me feeling this, but it just seemed liked he tried really hard to be negative about it.

If it makes anyone feel any better, this guy apparently gave Zohan two thumbs up, so....

Oh and BTW, if you don't want spoilers, I suggest you skim the review or skip it all. Unfortunately, I read the whole thing and there are some spoilers in it that I did NOT want to read.
 
Highlights, or lowlights of the review:

The Dark Knight is noisy, jumbled, and sadistic. Even its most wondrous vision—Batman’s plunges from skyscrapers, bat-wings snapping open as he glides through the night like a human kite—can’t keep the movie airborne. There’s an anvil attached to that cape.


On paper, the morality play is intriguing, but a lot of the dialogue should have stayed on paper (I can imagine a study guide: “The Joker tells Batman he can’t fight chaos because he has too many ‘rules.’

But the psychological twists in The Dark Knight—especially the transformation of Dent into “Two-Face”—are baffling as drama. They play as if they’d been penned by Oxford philosophy majors trying to tone up a piece of American pop—to turn it into an uncivil Shavian dialogue, Don Juan in Hell with mutilations and truck crashes.

Nolan appears to have no clue how to stage or shoot action. He got away with the chopped-up fights in Batman Begins because his hero was a barely glimpsed ninja, coming at villains from all angles in stroboscopic flashes. There are more variables here, which means more opportunities to say “What the f--- just happened?” I defy you to make spatial sense of the early scene in which Batman battles faux Batmen, gangsters, and the Scarecrow (Cillian Murphy in a cameo that comes to nothing).
 
Too dark knight for kids? Duh Nolan as always said his Bat movies were never geared towards kids.
 
Yeah I saw that. I dunno if was the only one getting this vibe from it, but it seemed his negative points were very forced, almost as if he was trying really hard to make it sound bad. And if you sort through the review and pinpoint all the negative thoughts he spews, it pretty well all comes down to the movie being too dark for him. So, I dunno, maybe it was just me feeling this, but it just seemed liked he tried really hard to be negative about it.

If it makes anyone feel any better, this guy apparently gave Zohan two thumbs up, so....

Oh and BTW, if you don't want spoilers, I suggest you skim the review or skip it all. Unfortunately, I read the whole thing and there are some spoilers in it that I did NOT want to read.


hahah that does make me feel better. im not too worried about negative reviews. i usually only trust reviews if im really iffy on a movie, and iffy is definitely not something even remotely related to TDK. plus i get the feeling this guy is kind of a twit anyways, and he probably was gunning to be "that guy" i.e., the dude that hates on the movie everyone else loves....though clearly he didnt know devin faraci already has that spot.
you get one of those with every widely acclaimed film. i remember when there will be blood came out, i saw that in a waaay advanced screening before critics had, and i was like "holy crap this movie is going to blow people away" and sure enough, it did for the most part, but there were the select critics who were just like "THIS MOVIE IS AWFUL DANIEL DAY LEWIS IS AWFUL THAT IS NOT ACTING THIS MOVIE IS SO BORING I DONT GET IT ITS A WEIRD MOVIE"....now if you dont like TWBB, you wouldnt understand, but most of the people were clearly grasping at straws to try to take down a beloved film. i dont know if people feel like nothing should be too highly praised, or what?



or he could just genuinely not like the film. but thats not possible.
 
Did this guy like Begins?
He did...

On RT it got a fresh rating out of his review, here.

A Dark and Stormy KnightChristopher Nolan's Batman Begins.
By David Edelstein

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In Batman Begins (Warner Bros.), Christian Bale's billionaire Bruce Wayne is a grim young man, indeed. Sometimes he looks blank. Sometimes he scowls. As a change of pace, he wears a little smirk. Bale might get sour reviews, but I found the performance as layered, in its way, as Michael Keaton's (also underrated) turn in the 1989 Batman. The actor has always internalized his characters, and his Bruce is an inchoate mass of defenses. If he could express himself in action, he wouldn't roam the world like a vagabond, keeping company with scurvy miscreants. Damaged beyond repair by the murders of his parents (and by his own role, in this film, in their deaths), he's all undisciplined aggression. He needs to invest in something bigger than his own irresolution. Not the Peace Corps. I mean something mythic.

Bruce Wayne's invention of Batman is the story of Batman Begins, and it's an epic one, with a suitably epic cast of A-list actors. The new movie travels in a different, more straightforward direction than the Tim Burton-initiated cycle that was finally driven into the pits by Joel Schumacher in the unwatchable campfest Batman & Robin. Burton had taken his cues from the original script by (my friend) Sam Hamm, which made Bruce a kind of addict, his bat persona the embodiment of a grief that most grownups are forced to move beyond. The director created a grand, operatic film with Gothic sets (by the late Anton Furst) that captured the lonely, freaky hero's inner world of shadowed arches and gargoyles. This was a Batman whose mask and uniform allowed him to express his inner weirdness (a favorite theme for Burton, who cultivates his weirdness).

Batman Begins, directed by Christopher Nolan from a screenplay he wrote with David S. Goyer, goes back to the simpler days of Bruce Wayne's burgeoning social conscience. Although the twentysomething Bruce is still haunted by his parents' deaths, he's struggling less with inner bats than with the idea of justice. Gotham City is like Chicago in The Untouchables. Gangsters run the economy, and most cops are on the take. The commissioner is noisily ineffectual. On the other hand, "vigilante" is a dirty word. Taking the law into one's own hands is a one-way ticket to social, and personal, madness.

Sprung from an Asian prison by a prim, mysterious figure called Ducard (Liam Neeson) and trained in the art of ninja warfare, Bruce is exhorted to lay aside his individual taste for vengeance and concentrate on becoming more than a man—a symbol. This suits the young man fine; what doesn't is the fascist turn that Ducard and his company take. No, Gotham City might be ridden with human scum, but there's such a thing as due process, right? We're Americans, right (except at Guantanamo)? Although Wayne parts ways with Ducard, he does absorb that be-more-than-a-man lesson. As he tells his butler, Alfred (Michael Caine), on a plane on his way back to Gotham City, he needs to create a symbolic figure to strike fear in the hearts of criminals. (Yes, I said Michael Caine as Alfred: Talk about your high-priced help. Bruce has Morgan Freeman working for him, too, as a lovable inventor. I can't wait to see Robert De Niro's Chief O'Hara.)

Bruce's (and Bale's) Batman is a splendidly hambone creation: His voice is a low rasp, and when he talks to people he ***** his pointy-eared head and looks like a winged creature at rest. In the fight sequences, Nolan barely lets you see Batman. He's like the alien in Alien, but with martial arts: He comes at the villains from all directions, which drives them out of their minds before they're cold-cocked.

At 135 minutes, Batman Begins is overlong, but in the second half there's full-throttle creepiness—especially from Cillian Murphy as a clammy psychiatrist who turns into a low-tech villain: the Scarecrow, with a bag over his head that spews a high-powered hallucinogen. The crudeness of his mask (it looks like a sagging burlap sack with eye holes) is actually kind of scary. Another great creation is Gary Oldman's policeman Gordon, who will one day become Commissioner Gordon. Only a flaky British virtuoso like Oldman could come up with an ordinary American Joe who's this ordinary.

But there's a lot of stuff in Batman Begins that doesn't measure up. The adorable Katie Holmes twitters civics lessons ("Justice is about harmony") as a crusading assistant D.A.—she looks and acts like a know-it-all student council president. (A colleague cracked that the performance should please her boyfriend, though: She plays a woman who can keep a secret.) Gotham City is mundane, with only an above-ground rail system—designed by Bruce's liberal dad—to inject an element of otherworldliness. Some of the fighting is intense but too choppy. The musical score has no stirring, superheroic motifs: It's just background noise. Worst of all is the Batmobile, a bat-tank with the sex appeal of a steamroller. Apart from a few tricky flashbacks, there's little indication that Nolan directed the mind-bending Memento or the hallucinatory Insomnia.

The movie is satisfying, though—at least by the standards of that depressing phenomenon, the superhero "franchise," with its attendant books, action figures, lunchboxes, Burger King tie-ins, and rectal thermometers. (Well, the latter is a SpongeBob product; I'm not sure if Batman is on one yet. Can I just say that the thought of my 2-year-old with SpongeBob sticking out of her ass is really appalling.) The best thing about Batman Begins is that Bruce Wayne is like an actor, his great role still a work in progress. He's still wrestling with the idea of what a superhero should be—still figuring out the franchise.

I'm not sure what to say about that. :huh:
 
Can someone please black out the spoilers on his review of the Dark Knight so some of can read it. Thx.
 
so david edelstein posted the first negative review of TDK. jerk.
It was bond to happen, I told you guys don't be too surprised when more bad or so-so reviews come in, its just some reviewer like a more light lighthearted movie and not so dark.

They don't understand that Batman is not a lighthearted hero/character, but they want then to be for the kids. :o
 
Well his review isn't even up on RT at all yet... >.>
 
Even the best movies in the world get bad reviews

So dont sweat it :word:
 
Well his review isn't even up on RT at all yet... >.>

Like once a week RT updates it's reviews for all it's movies, so more than likely it will be up.

Next Monday after the movie is out we should get on RT like around 130 reviews or so, then we will see TDK's real RT rating...

But it will be FRESH, guaranteed- bank on it!
 

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