The Dark Knight The Non-Spoiler Critic Review Thread

Here are excerpts quoted in the various comments over at Rotten Tomatoes:

"This movie is too in love with itself to make you love it."

"Instead of being exciting pop-culture entertainment that forces the viewer to take it seriously, the movie takes itself too seriously and misses the fun in the process."

"This long (2-1/2 hours!!), overplotted movie never misses a chance to hammer home what a tortured hero Batman is. Bale plays him as though his boxers are too tight."

"Why do comic-book movies want to be serious literature?"

that line right there makes me want to punch them in the face, I am sick and tired of comic book movies being looked at like mindless kiddie flicks with loads of CGI and no storytelling or character development aspects to them!
 
Ok I gotta stop checking.

Another rotten (and a pair of positives).

86%
 
That mofo from star-mag gave The Love Guru 3.5/4 and Hancock 4/4 so don't take his "review" seriously. It's just sad that ****ty critics like him have to **** up RT
 
Also, the same reviewer apparently gave "The Love Guru" the full 4 stars.

It really makes you wonder how some of these people can actually be considered 'professional' critics. So very disappointing...
 
I think 97% is a bit too much to hope for. There will always be reviewers who will roll their eyes at any attempt at making a dark and serious Batman movie.

If it can stay over 90%, that would be fabulous.

Agreed, I hope it does but I'm not so sure it will.
 
Reading the comments on RT is pretty amusing.

Any negative review is immediately flooded with death threats, insults, and fanboy hysteria.

Funny stuff.
 
So I just read that Star guy's review on The Love Guru.

My lord. I can no longer feel any anger towards a guy who rated TDK 2.5/4 stars and Guru 3.5/4 stars, in which one of his main points is that Jessica Alba is beautiful to look at. There is clearly something seriously wrong with him. On the contrary to being angry, I actually feel quite sorry for him, as it's obvious he's got some sort of disability and nobody has the courage to tell him, so they let him keep on reviewing movies. What a tragedy.
 
That's why even though I haven't seen the movie yet, I can see these critics need to grow up, because we've seen this too many times over the years.
 
Don't read the (negative) New Yorker review. Very spoilerish.

It's a shame, because Denby's one of my favorite reviewers. :(



Here are some non-spoiler bits:

Christian Bale has been effective in some films, but he’s a placid Bruce Wayne, a swank gent in Armani suits, with every hair in place. He’s more urgent as Batman, but he delivers all his lines in a hoarse voice, with an unvarying inflection. It’s a dogged but uninteresting performance, upstaged by the great Ledger, who shambles and slides into a room, bending his knees and twisting his neck and suddenly surging into someone’s face like a deep-sea creature coming up for air. Ledger has a fright wig of ragged hair; thick, running gobs of white makeup; scarlet lips; and dark-shadowed eyes. He’s part freaky clown, part Alice Cooper the morning after, and all actor. He’s mesmerizing in every scene. His voice is not sludgy and slow, as it was in “Brokeback Mountain.” It’s a little higher and faster, but with odd, devastating pauses and saturnine shades of mockery. At times, I was reminded of Marlon Brando at his most feline and insinuating. When Ledger wields a knife, he is thoroughly terrifying (do not, despite the PG-13 rating, bring the children), and, as you’re watching him, you can’t help wondering—in a response that admittedly lies outside film criticism—how badly he messed himself up in order to play the role this way. His performance is a heroic, unsettling final act: this young actor looked into the abyss.
http://www.newyorker.com/contact/em...2532&did=4&sitetype=1&affiliate=ny-randomcart

Parts of “The Dark Knight” were shot with IMAX cameras, and if you see the movie on one of those enormously tall screens you will feel, as Batman swoops down from a building at night, as if you were falling into a canyon. It’s a giddy thrill—bring Dramamine. The rest of the movie, photographed by Wally Pfister, is sharp and clear, with shots of Gotham (i.e., Chicago) in glistening night splendor, and plentiful use of vast modernist interiors with slab floors. Yet I can’t rate “The Dark Knight” as an outstanding piece of craftsmanship. “Batman Begins” was grim and methodical, and this movie is grim and jammed together. The narrative isn’t shaped coherently to bring out contrasts and build toward a satisfying climax. “The Dark Knight” is constant climax; it’s always in a frenzy, and it goes on forever....
The thunderous violence and the music jack the audience up. But all that screw-tightening tension isn’t necessarily fun. “The Dark Knight” has been made in a time of terror, but it’s not fighting terror; it’s embracing and unleashing it—while making sure, with proper calculation, to set up the next installment of the corporate franchise.



Here's the link, but, again: it's spoilerish.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080721crci_cinema_denby
 
Of course not. Virtually every review so far is calling it brilliant. There just has to be a few *****ebags that have to give it a bad review, just to give it a bad review. They ignore the great performances, the astonishing cinematography, the rich story and, instead, focuse their review around a few minor, superficial preferences.

It becomes obvious that they went into the film with an agenda, looking for things to complain about. They had already decided they were going to give it a bad review before they even saw it, now it's just a matter of finding any tiny little thing they can wine about to legitimize their review.

I see TDK ending up around 97% at Rotten Tomatoes.
Thats most likely not gonna happen
 
If Iron Man can have a 93% while the departed sits at 92%, then RT is a terrible indicator of a movie's overall quality.
 
The thing is: if 100% of critics agree that a movie is "pretty decent," the movie gets 100%. If 80% think it's a masterpiece and 20% think it's only so-so, it gets 80%.

So MetCritic is probably a bit more accurate in representing the "consensus." Right now, TDK has a 74 out of 100.
 
It's at 86% at Rotten Tomatoes right now: 19 fresh, 3 rotten.
 
Yes I recommend against reading the New Yorker review, it drops big spoilers in the first few paragraphs.

It seems all of the negative reviews follow a common thread. They all wanted it to be something it's not, a "fun" mindless and forgettable popcorn movie. TDK didn't fit into their narrow view of what a comic book movie should be, so they panned it. You also see Burton's name frequently dropped in the negative reviews like it's some kind of batman movie canon (which it's not). It's one thing to come up with legitimate criticism, but these guys obviously had their own agenda going into the movie. My general rule is that I discard reviews that use the catch phrases "not fun", "too dark", "Not like Burton's Batman", and "takes itself too seriously".
 
I disagree. Denby's reasons were more like it was too busy, and in some items too arbitrary, and he didn't think it was cohesive. That's not complaining that it's "not fun"; he seemed to feel kind of bludgeoned with "fun."

I don't know if I agree or not, but it's a very well-reasoned, unbiased review.
 
Guys, here's a great thread on RT that compiles EVERY SINGLE review so far for the movie, and shockingly, there have actually been 70. Way more than RT has listed. Anyhow, with the exception of the three New York reviews, every single one is positive. Having said that, beware that some of the reviews probably have spoilers, and I cannot really warn you, having not read every single one. Anyways, it's worth a look.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=636800

PS: I suggest maybe sticking to just the post with all the reviews listed, cause you never know when someone on the RT forum might post a spoiler.

EDIT: Upon further inspection, not every single link works. Just letting you guys know. ;)
 
I've noticed that new york reviewers have been giving it bad reviews. Like New Yorker and New York! What is up with that?! Everyone else gave it good reviews. Obviously they didn't know the tone of Dark Knight is SUPPOSE to be dark. *******s.
 
Guys, here's a great thread on RT that compiles EVERY SINGLE review so far for the movie, and shockingly, there have actually been 70. Way more than RT has listed. Anyhow, with the exception of the three New York reviews, every single one is positive. Having said that, beware that some of the reviews probably have spoilers, and I cannot really warn you, having not read every single one. Anyways, it's worth a look.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=636800

PS: I suggest maybe sticking to just the post with all the reviews listed, cause you never know when someone on the RT forum might post a spoiler.

EDIT: Upon further inspection, not every single link works. Just letting you guys know. ;)

How many of those will RT actually list? Are they all certified RT critics?
 
How many of those will RT actually list? Are they all certified RT critics?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure. However, some of the ones that were on the list have just shown up on RT now, so perhaps there is hope that the majority of those positive reviews will make it into RT's system.
 
Maybe New York is still mad that Chicago gets all that revenue... :D
 

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