The not a vs but a war thread.

[Vanguard07]

Okay so i'm gonna try something a little differently.
This will be a lot like a vs thread but heres where it'll differ: Each match is a no holds barred, going all out war using everything each character has. Every dirty trick, Every wacky gadget, Every weapon tool and tactic at each characters disposal (including regular allies for during combat as long as its reasonable) will be used in a match to the death. (or equally decisive victory in the case of unkillable oponents).

Wars can be crossovers, (Marvel, DC, Darkhorse, Image, video games, movies, etc) team matches, royal rumbles etc. and they are not dropped in the middle of a field when the war begins. They are in their seperate homes or headquarters and they have to endeavor to take their oponent down starting then. So all matches will have as much prep time as they could conceivably have untill their enemy finds them.

Also you do not vote for who wins you debate. Come up with a reasonable tactic or argument for how your chosen side would win. Others will have the opportunity to counter your argument and after a reasonable ammount of time has passed the victor will be decided.


The first match will be a high resources one.

BATMAN

VS

Nick Fury, Director of Shield.

 

[Zoken]

Batman gets owned. I mean yeah, he's resourceful, but the only help he'd call on is a pre-pubecent boy and a teenie-bopper who works in high heels.

Nick Fury is going to call all of SHIELD in. (regular allies) and he's going to be pulling out full on raids filled with all kinds of high tech weaponry.

 

[deemar325]

Fury would win mainly, because he will not engage Bats in hand to hand. He knows that would be a lost cause, so instead Fury ruins Bruce Waynes life outs him to the public, seizes his fiances, and stops production of his tech company, basically Fury rips him bare and naked (metaphorically speaking) takes out all Bat's allies robin,Nightwing etc...then feeds him misinformation and counter-intelligence sends agents out to break him physically (sharon carter,Hawkeye,Falcon,Ironman,Widow etc...) then finally the deathstroke (pun intended)

Fury sends in Cap to finish him off. It's a brutal brawl even cruel, yet it must be done and when Cap can't Kill him, because of his respect for Bats.

*Blam!!*

Bullseye is strategically placed to snipe Bats out.



Nuff said.


Bats dead.

 

[Vanguard07]

yeah. I could see this turning into something like when Shield went after Punisher. Batman trying to wage war on the run. He'd be hard to find i'd think unless they brought him in in the first raid. Then he'd be able to strike from the shadows so to speak. Remember he doesnt have to take down shield. Just Fury. Just like Fury doesnt have to take down Robin or Batgirl or Alfred.

 

[deemar325]

True, but if Bats is hard to track Fury is damn near impossible.

Fury is willing to go to outside sources (Punisher,Taskmaster,Bullseye or Deadpool) to finish you off if need be.

 

[Vanguard07]

Thats one of the things i love about Fury. He's a good guy. But he's one damn evil SOB about it sometimes. How many times has Fury manipulated others into doing what he wants? It wouldnt always work but the man is damn good at it.

Even still though. I dont really see Fury getting aid from Cap on something like this. It'd be too hard to manipulate Cap into doing something quite so immoral as helping fury kill a guy. Shield yeah.

But Batman's got influence and resources of his own to work with. And who knows what he'd manage to get out of his batcave before a shield strike team breaches it. And then there's Batman's own satelites and such. And he could always have some of his Wayne industries employees doing some unwitting intel work for him.

 

[Iceman]

Batman would have to leave the Cave straightaway and disappear for a long time. From his hidden position he would have as much prep time as he needs to carry out his assasination at the time of his choosing, whatever defensive measures Fury implements. Fury's problem is that he would never be able to find the Bat (& Fury himself wouldn't be able to hide from him) so his main chance of victory would be to storm the cave or secure the perimeter before Bats has a chance to escape (unlikely).

Bat's victory is dependent on this "war" not being time critical.

 

[ookami]

I'm tired but Nick would just shoot him. Since Nick would probably already know who Batman was, he'd hit him hard...Wayne Enterprises first, then maybe go down the line with Nightwing, Batgirl (Oracle, or whomever is the Batgirl), Robin and maybe if he's alive Alfred.

Then maybe use this so called tracking bullet to target Batman/Wayne just to get him out of the way.

I'm ranting, I'm tired

 

[deemar325]

Thats one of the things i love about Fury. He's a good guy. But he's one damn evil SOB about it sometimes. How many times has Fury manipulated others into doing what he wants? It wouldnt always work but the man is damn good at it.

Even still though. I dont really see Fury getting aid from Cap on something like this. It'd be too hard to manipulate Cap into doing something quite so immoral as helping fury kill a guy. Shield yeah.

But Batman's got influence and resources of his own to work with. And who knows what he'd manage to get out of his batcave before a shield strike team breaches it. And then there's Batman's own satelites and such. And he could always have some of his Wayne industries employees doing some unwitting intel work for him.

See your missing the point, Cap would only get one peice of the puzzle all he needs to know is he's bringing in some threat in a Bat costume.

- Never let the right hand know what the left hand is doing.-

Lesson 1 padawan

 

[Vanguard07]

Nick'd probably be able to LEARN who batman was but i doubt he'd know right away.
Satelite surveillance of a batman incursion would let him track batman back to the batcave though. Hire some super merc or another (taskmaster, deadpool, bullseye, crossbones etc) or another to rob a bank in gotham or something and Lure batman out and try to kill him. Batman'd have a harder time finding Nick Fury at first cause Fury isnt a public figure.

But he probably would be capable of assassinating Fury eventually if he managed to evade Fury's forces for long enough.

 

[Vanguard07]

See your missing the point, Cap would only get one peice of the puzzle all he needs to know is he's bringing in some threat in a Bat costume.

- Never let the right hand know what the left hand is doing.-

Lesson 1 padawan

Yeah you're right. It's not like Fury's never done that sort of thing before. Look at Secret War. But Cap'd have a hard time bringing Bats in too if Bats evaded the first strike and went to ground. Then he could wait and plan his strike against Fury.

 

[deemar325]

Batman would have to leave the Cave straightaway and disappear for a long time. From his hidden position he would have as much prep time as he needs to carry out his assasination at the time of his choosing, whatever defensive measures Fury implements. Fury's problem is that he would never be able to find the Bat (& Fury himself wouldn't be able to hide from him) so his main chance of victory would be to storm the cave or secure the perimeter before Bats has a chance to escape (unlikely).

Bat's victory is dependent on this "war" not being time critical.

Fury would have intel on Batman/Bruce Wayne from the moment Bruce mashes his first criminal and the police first becomes aware of him and files that report. Fury would know damn near everything about Bats and tolerate him only until he becomes a liability.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well well Deemar. You're taking to this sort of thread like a fish takes to water. Good stuff. I'm honestly just about out of arguments for Bats. Anybody else got anything i've missed?

 

[Marvin]

I'm guessing the watch tower and j'onn don't count as resouces...

 

[deemar325]

Nick'd probably be able to LEARN who batman was but i doubt he'd know right away.
Satelite surveillance of a batman incursion would let him track batman back to the batcave though. Hire some super merc or another (taskmaster, deadpool, bullseye, crossbones etc) or another to rob a bank in gotham or something and Lure batman out and try to kill him. Batman'd have a harder time finding Nick Fury at first cause Fury isnt a public figure.

But he probably would be capable of assassinating Fury eventually if he managed to evade Fury's forces for long enough.

Not gonna happen, Bats at most his resources are a 1/5th that of Fury's his unwillingness to kill although noble is still a serious liability (That one aspect about Batman is sooo an advantage in real time strategy.)

Fury will use his no-killing policy against him for one and two Fury will never throw a punch, he'll break him slowly first mentally then fiancailly then physically.

 

[Vanguard07]

I'm guessing the watch tower and j'onn don't count as resouces...

Not J'onn.... Watchtower would I guess. As a hiding place at very least (assuming he could get to it). Does Batman even have control of it?

 

[deemar325]

Well well Deemar. You're taking to this sort of thread like a fish takes to water. Good stuff. I'm honestly just about out of arguments for Bats. Anybody else got anything i've missed?

Dude you have no idea! heh,heh,

 

[Zoken]

(we're assuming they've been living in the same universe and just been set against each other?)

cruise missle takes out Wayne mansion, not killing anyone because of course Batty's gonna have an escape plan. he freezes all assets of Wayne Enterprises, Alfred Pennyworth, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Barbra Gordon, who ever this new bat Girl is, and Commisioner Gordon (Just for good measure).

Fury goes to each and every person that every trained Bruce Wayne and raides them. they search with thermal topography and those raids to pinpoint where batman is. they send in wave after wave of SHEILD agents, and then, Black Widow and Wolverine. no normally, Batman could probably take them, even together, but the wave after wave of SHIELD agents were cannon fodder to wear down his defenses and tire him out. these too are to finish the job "By any means necessry".

 

[deemar325]

^ Boo Yah! Z good show.

 

[Vanguard07]

Plus Fury's got the kind of influence necessary to turn the public opinion against Batman no problem. Moniter the Justice league and make the world believe Batman's gone evil. Have his own friends helping you out with the manhunt against Bats.
Make it look all clean and everything for the justice league when they find him, capture him and take him into custody pending trial. Then kill him silently in his cell while the leagues out trying to prove bats' innocence

 

[Vanguard07]

Well I dunno about you guys but it looks to me like this argument has pretty much wrapped itself up. Are we all agreed that Fury wins it?

If any of you guys want a specific match go ahead and post it. Or lemme know and I will.

 

[Zoken]

Well I can't do pics, but... what about the New Avengers Vs. Superman (Before you object, lets think about it)

 

[deemar325]

^ Heh, I think we can beat New Avengers.

 

[Vanguard07]

Alright. Sounds good enough for me. Lets see how it plays out on the battlefield.

Superman

VS

The New Avengers.

Alright Gentlemen. Lets hear it.

 

[Calendar Man]

Batman would win. Resourceful? You have to be to smack around Superman all the time. It would be a cool battle but I can't ever see Fury beating Bats.