The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

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Who should Obama pick as his VP?

  1. Edwards

  2. Clinton

  3. Richardson

  4. Bieden

  5. Kucinich

  6. Dean

  7. Kerry

  8. somebody else

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  1. Matt

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  3. The Question

    The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    A mniority becoming the President?


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    HAHAHAHAHA! Impossible.
     
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  4. ShadowBoxing

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    He is half-white.
     
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    I would possibly vote for Obama. But he is still inexperiended, something that would likely be used against him the primaries, as well as in the general election. He would be better off waiting a few years.
     
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  6. Matt

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    Don't be so naive.

    Realistically there are four reasons he can't win.

    1) His name is Obama. As horrible as it sounds, that makes him unelectable.
    2) He is a senator. The last senator to win the presidency was JFK. Before that, it was Warren G. Harding. Senators just don't have a good shot. Too much to attack them for. Every vote is scrutinized, every decision recorded. Its just not prefferable for a campaign.
    3) He has practically no record. For all the hype around him he has really done nothing thus far in Senate.
    4) He is black. It sounds mean, but its true. That alone will keep him from winning.
     
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  7. Matt

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    No one will see that. All they will see is a black man running for president. It sounds horrible, but you are being incredibly naive. If the last election proved anything, you need the South to win and do you really think even a small minority of southern states would elect a black man?
     
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    Tenessee is about to elect a black man senator. South Carolina has a gay person as it's Senator and actually all you need is east, west and midwest to win a general.
     
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  9. Matt

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    The "black man" in Tenessee is currently losing. And you assume that there are no racists in east, north, west, and midwest states? Close swing states like Flordia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio will go red simply because the thing that swings those states will be the fact that Obama is black.

    I'm not saying thats a good thing. It is horrible. But it is reality.
     
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    On a related note, I think a Mark Warner/Barack Obama ticket may not be a bad idea in say the 2012 election.
     
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    His middle name is Hussien, but that's still the most ******ed thing I have ever heard.
    But unlike many Senators he is seen as a Washington outsider, not an insider which is usually what plays against them.
    That probably works to his credit. Less for his opponents to scrutinize. You don't win general elections on voting records, you win it by presenting yourself well to the American people.
    Ummm....no, it won't.
     
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  12. Matt

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    No, its not. Look at the list of presidents, never has there been a man whose name ends in a vowel. 42 presidents, and not one with an ethnic sounding name. Any political scientist will tell you, these things effect voters.

    You need a record to win. Otherwise his opponent (who could very well be John McCain, a long time, experienced Senator will cut him down for his lack of one.

    Yes, it will.
     
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    Harold Ford is currently 48% to the opponents 42%.
    Well Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah don't tend to have race issues. And if he took Evan Bayh as his running mate he carry those. That would be about all you'd need.
    Cleveland, Ohio elected the first black mayor, Carl Stokes. Pennsylvania not only has a large black population, but is considered a very progressive state on Civil Rights legislation. Florida is considered the north of the south, and considering that fact that a minority would probably swing the Latino vote to Democrats, he could carry that state too.
    Your arguments are kinda foolish.
     
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  14. Matt

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    My mistake, I was thinking of Steele in Maryland.

    You are generalizing these places by "not generally racist"...but the ones who live there (and they are there, racists are everywhere, whether or not you want to admit it)...will swing the states.

    And yours are naive and overly idealistic.
     
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    That's a really stupid point. That's like those people who say "we've never elected a President whose name starts with "Mc". Doesn't mean we won't.
    You could hold a gun to the GOPs head, and they still won't run the "Democrat and sheeps clothing" who is John McCain. You do realize the guy has voted both in favor of abortion and gay marriage in the past.
    Um, no. If he were gay that would matter. Black....nope. It actually might mobilize more people to vote for him.
     
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    oh, yeah....I had the pleasure of meeting him a couple months ago. He could do it.

    This guy actually knows and cares what its like just to be a regular guy, just trying to make it. Down to earth.
     
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    Why not try reading up on the subject instead of just talking out of your ass and saying "no it won't."? Whether you want to admit it or not, these are the types of things that effect elections, name, skin color, etc. You may wish to be naive, but these have been proven time and time again.

    As for McCain, he is currently the front runner in pretty much every poll...so make of that what you want.
     
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    I'm not saying that he is not a good guy. I am saying that he is unelectable.
     
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    Yeah he is going to lose.
    KKK membership is at about 1200 these days, mostly concentrated in SC and Alabama. And they could not stop the election of a gay Senator (Lindsey Graham), and he is gay. Apparently saying Mukaka (a racial slur)
    causes you to lose general elections.

    Race is still an issue to some, but it won't affect a Presidental election. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Alan Keyes (who Obama defeated) are not successful gages of how black candidates will do. Obama is beloved as a keynote speaker. He will unite Democrats, who all love him. He will also mobilize several states in the midwest in you bother to read last weeks Time Magazine which outlines what his entire campaign strategy should be.
    Recent polls show otherwise. They show that about 80% of white people would have no problem with electing black or latino public officials.
     
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    Bottom line: Things are achangin'. If the village idiot can buy his way into office, why not someone who may actually do a good job?

    I used to really dig McCain...but, he'd just be another Dubya in the end
     
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    Sigh, being racist doesn't mean you just join the KKK and say slurs.

    Polls won't show anything either. These are things that people don't talk about, don't even think about. But time and time again, history has proven, it is there.
     
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    Because this is America. :whatever:
     
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    indeed.....we've already had one black president. Let's make it two.
     
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  24. JLBats

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    Warren G. Harding was pretty black.
     
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    Dude I study politics, and concetrate in racial politics. dude :down. It's only like the 100th time I've said this.

    This year, according to recent polls we will have the largest influx of black representitives we have ever had, and largest increase in black state reps as well. Massachusetts is about to elect a black governor (46/33). Tenessee and black senator (48/46). Steele is actually 46/46 with his opponent. A total of 138 are running this year alone. currently about 50% of them are more than carrying those elections. 15% are tightly contested.

    In fact black people in the South have successfully combined the well known stereotype of black christian moral values and the progressive nature of most Democrats/Liberals. To make candidates who both appeal to the value voters and local dems.
     
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