The Offical thread to Vent if need be.

[Kaboom]

nhawk, c'mon.....a demand to sire an heir is hardly the same as doing so....or have we forgotten the wisdom of the great billy madison "No! I will not make out with you. Can you believe that? she wants to make out with me! I'm here to learn. please continue."

and with braniac flying the plane, why is it so hard to believe its being taken to the FOS...Brainiac's sole function is to free Zod. once he does thats, he loses its purpose. so maybe he takes them to the FOS so that they can sever Zod so that Brainiac may then find another vessel for him. its like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but not really.

and remember SV has never done things the way they should be done (as if there is a credible argument to make that there is one particular way the story should develop) so why expect them to start now? what is more sisyphusion, SV for continuing to do things the way they want to, or you (general "you") for wanting them to do things the way they should be?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

nhawk, c'mon.....a demand to sire an heir is hardly the same as doing so....or have we forgotten the wisdom of the great billy madison "No! I will not make out with you. Can you believe that? she wants to make out with me! I'm here to learn. please continue."

and with braniac flying the plane, why is it so hard to believe its being taken to the FOS...Brainiac's sole function is to free Zod. once he does thats, he loses its purpose. so maybe he takes them to the FOS so that they can sever Zod so that Brainiac may then find another vessel for him. its like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but not really.

What is the world does he need Lois and Martha for to do that?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

That is like saying

"Ok guys listen. We have all seen Seven Samurai, but we are going to remake it. With 21 Samurai. What? Of course we are still going to call it Seven Samurai. That is where we are going to make the money. Well the fans will have to except the 14 extra Samurai. They are going to be main characters on this show."

What in the world are you talking about? How does that comparison reiterating the fact that Lana is a main character? All I'm saying is that we know what Lana is like in Smallville (the comics, Superboy etc) and ideally giving witch storylines and a teen love story is not what I'm looking for in the character. Why not make stories about her focusing on discovering Clark's secret herself and the kryptonian mythology or teaming with Clark. They do that sometimes but not as much as I would like. And there still very much in a position to make that happen, that's why I dont see how she cant be relevant. For argument's sake even if she was just a love intrest or someone clark crushes on the fact that she is Lana Lang and this is Smallville means she is relevant in a big aspect of the show but I think it would nice to see her character elevated and it not so much a strech, it all boils to the writers. What I'm saying is that you dont have to write desperate out of the field storylines to prove her relevance. She's still there, and always will be so long as the show is called Smallville. I mean that's just basic shyt I'm not saying make it Lanaville like they've made it Chloeville and have the show focus on her. Just keep it a natural progression.

The thing about Lana is that she can't be used in anyway major over the course of 22 episode season and still be credible/likeable.

I disagree if they put her in an arc where she takes it upon herself to find out about Clark's past while with Lex and discover things herself which I think there going to do this season then you cant really knock that can you?

She is important because she is one of the "Stars" of the show, but on the flip side her character is nothing more then a love interest for Clark. No matter how much the show attempts to show her "importance" to Clark, all she ever seems to do is keep getting in the way of the story. She has almost become a roadblock, Clark can't get around. This is also way she has gone through every stereotypical "New age" woman storyline.

And again what I'm saying is the writers should do the natural thing and have her progress to learn about Clark then she becomes more than a love intrest. That's something that people who are even critical aspire for her to be. I suspect people who see her as a roadblock only like the sci-fi/fantasy/comic book element of the show and less the teen soap opera. In fairness the show from the start has tried to balance ( It is a CW/WB show afterall and have a demographic...) but again if Lana learns about Clark more I hardly think she's a roadblock. She's only a roadblock in Clana teen soapy storylines and that's to people who dont watch the show for that (I keep telling people though this isnt Stargate or some irrelevant nerd show....geeks dont catch feelings I'm sure SG1 was/is a great a show but I digress). But we all know she finds out and is loyal to Clark and the fans want her to aspire to something better to make a more in depth character and it can be done with out forcing random storylines to prove something that they misunderstood.

As for venting. All I can say is I hope everyone listened to the commentary track on Thirst from the new DVD. It is what we call admitting that you know you have crap storylines, don't care about making them work, and just push out the episode cause you have to get paid.

They admit they pretty much make filler. Bad filler.

Oh look no one's denying stuff like that is crap. I dont know how much you search these boards but even I have criticise the writers for stuff like that. You dont need to make storylines like that (especially when you know they dont work) just make better storylines. No one had a problem with her in the first 2 seasons, why add these storylines? I understand they dont need them, so just dont mess up the character like that.

Oh and one more thing for the Superone. If they writers aren't suppose to care about those that want Lana "gone", then why, oh why do you suggest that they suggest a way to "fix" her? Considering no one is listening?

Because she isnt gonna go anywhere so long as she's one of the main characters and it set in Smallville but why not give her better storylines? And the writers do listen considering the fans can be vocal I mean Chloe and the Clana storylines are examples of that, the introduction of DC characters is an example of that (I'm sure they were thinking about it at the start of the show but fans really wanted them so it confirmed it). So why not ask them? But I dont think the writers need to entertain anymore notions of axing off characters is almost cliched now on TV shows it's a bit of a pet peeve and just for shock tatics and temporary gauged intrest.

 

[Kaboom]

What is the world does he need Lois and Martha for to do that?

there are 7 stars on the show, clark, lana, lex, lionel, chloe, lois, and martha.

1- clark is trapped in the PZ, he cant do the deed.
2- lex is controlled by zod, he cant do it.
3- lana is being held captive by zod, she cant do it.
4-lionel(presumably) is under the protection of jor-el/eradicator and cant be gotten to.
5- chloe is with lionel.

conveniently, that leaves us with lois and martha.

 

[NHawk19]

nhawk, c'mon.....a demand to sire an heir is hardly the same as doing so....or have we forgotten the wisdom of the great billy madison "No! I will not make out with you. Can you believe that? she wants to make out with me! I'm here to learn. please continue."

and with braniac flying the plane, why is it so hard to believe its being taken to the FOS...Brainiac's sole function is to free Zod. once he does thats, he loses its purpose. so maybe he takes them to the FOS so that they can sever Zod so that Brainiac may then find another vessel for him. its like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but not really.

and remember SV has never done things the way they should be done (as if there is a credible argument to make that there is one particular way the story should develop) so why expect them to start now? what is more sisyphusion, SV for continuing to do things the way they want to, or you (general "you") for wanting them to do things the way they should be?

I didnt say necessarily I was upset. I said

It's not hard to see why some are upset. . . . .

I understand why Zod would want an heir, I also understand that Brianiac more than likely wanted to fly into the FOS ala 9/11.

Things I have a hard time with according to the episode description and teasers:

1) Brainiac misses the FOS w/o Clarks involvement. Ok so maybe there are defenses it is a fortress after all. so this could be a minor complaint.

2) Lois sees the FOS. Granted she may be unconsious but that's a weak ending for the cliffhanger. Especially since even if Jor-El saves them Martha still has to explain to Lois how they got back to SV. Chloe would have been a better choice for captive on the plane.

3) That they would even do anything to lend credence to the fact that Lana gets pregnant.

4) Clark doesnt fly but Zod does.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

there are 7 stars on the show, clark, lana, lex, lionel, chloe, lois, and martha.

1- clark is trapped in the PZ, he cant do the deed.
2- lex is controlled by zod, he cant do it.
3- lana is being held captive by zod, she cant do it.
4-lionel(presumably) is under the protection of jor-el/eradicator and cant be gotten to.
5- chloe is with lionel.

conveniently, that leaves us with lois and martha.

And what is wrong with them being at home not having an idea of what is going on? This right here is one of my major problems with this show. No matter how entirely out of the way it may seem, they had to leave everyone with a cliff hanger at the end of the season. And they do it every season.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

And what is wrong with them being at home not having an idea of what is going on? This right here is one of my major problems with this show. No matter how entirely out of the way it may seem, they had to leave everyone with a cliff hanger at the end of the season. And they do it every season.

A lotta shows do that though, the fact that they give everyone a cliffhanger goes in hand with the fact they have stories and subplots for each character. and @ that shyt pissing you off....

 

[Kaboom]

And what is wrong with them being at home not having an idea of what is going on? This right here is one of my major problems with this show. No matter how entirely out of the way it may seem, they had to leave everyone with a cliff hanger at the end of the season. And they do it every season.

so?

 

[NHawk19]

there are 7 stars on the show, clark, lana, lex, lionel, chloe, lois, and martha.

1- clark is trapped in the PZ, he cant do the deed.
2- lex is controlled by zod, he cant do it.
3- lana is being held captive by zod, she cant do it.
4-lionel(presumably) is under the protection of jor-el/eradicator and cant be gotten to.
5- chloe is with lionel.

conveniently, that leaves us with lois and martha.

Sorry Kaboom but this sort of moves towards my Lois needs to leave the show (spinoff?) if they are having this hard of a time coming up with relevant storylines for her arguement.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Sorry Kaboom but this sort of moves towards my Lois needs to leave the show (spinoff?) if they are having this hard of a time coming up with relevant storylines for her arguement.

I guess the writers added Lois for eye candy that's it. Considering they scrapped Kara storyline for her is a real loss cause Kara would have made more sense.

 

[NHawk19]

I guess the writers added Lois for eye candy that's it. Considering they scrapped Kara storyline for her is a real loss cause Kara would have made more sense.

Agreed. The novelty of Lois has been worn out and they've really dropped a lot of stuff with the caves, Kara, stones, etc. since then, that could really have made for some more appropriate plot lines.

 

[Kaboom]

i would have been with Kara (although i didnt like the actress playing her).

with regard to lois, while yes she is def eye candy, i think she does contribute to the show in more way sthen just that. she and clark have definite chemistry, and my fav scenes are 1-anything with clark-lex, 2 anything with clark-lois, 3- anything with lionel (i dont care who hes with).

i like that its getting closer and closer to
I'm excited for Jimmy.

:shrugging shoulders:

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Honestly I would rather see Kara and Lana (in better storylines) than those other two mayonaisse heffer cousins farting around Smallville with their "reporting skills" and cheap Veronica Mars style investigations..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What in the world are you talking about? How does that comparison reiterating the fact that Lana is a main character? All I'm saying is that we know what Lana is like in Smallville (the comics, Superboy etc) and ideally giving witch storylines and a teen love story is not what I'm looking for in the character. Why not make stories about her focusing on discovering Clark's secret herself and the kryptonian mythology or teaming with Clark. They do that sometimes but not as much as I would like. And there still very much in a position to make that happen, that's why I dont see how she cant be relevant. For argument's sake even if she was just a love intrest or someone clark crushes on the fact that she is Lana Lang and this is Smallville means she is relevant in a big aspect of the show but I think it would nice to see her character elevated and it not so much a strech, it all boils to the writers. What I'm saying is that you dont have to write desperate out of the field storylines to prove her relevance. She's still there, and always will be so long as the show is called Smallville. I mean that's just basic shyt I'm not saying make it Lanaville like they've made it Chloeville and have the show focus on her. Just keep it a natural progression.

I admit it wasn't the best comparison. Sorry for that. My point was though just because someone working on a project puts a character there, doesn't necessarily mean that theyare either necessary or give the show something it needs.

And while I do not agree with that sort of storyline for Lana, and agree with you in theory. If they kept her in the background, didn't make her an emotional train wreck who seems to control Clark's life, I could deal with it. The problem is that almost every, single, thing comes back to her. Clark is about to battle his Father's greatest foe. He is about confront his very own. That is dramatic. Why do I need Lana in the middle of that? Why can't she just be the girl who cares for Clark, who doesn't get involved in the middle of everything? Hell, they even figured out a way to trace her back to Clark's Fortress. Come on.

I disagree if they put her in an arc where she takes it upon herself to find out about Clark's past while with Lex and discover things herself which I think there going to do this season then you cant really knock that can you?

Oh yes I can. There is no need to give her an arc this year. Just there wasn't in the 4th or 5th. That is what leads to witches and junkie Lana.

And again what I'm saying is the writers should do the natural thing and have her progress to learn about Clark then she becomes more than a love intrest. That's something that people who are even critical aspire for her to be. I suspect people who see her as a roadblock only like the sci-fi/fantasy/comic book element of the show and less the teen soap opera. In fairness the show from the start has tried to balance ( It is a CW/WB show afterall and have a demographic...) but again if Lana learns about Clark more I hardly think she's a roadblock. She's only a roadblock in Clana teen soapy storylines and that's to people who dont watch the show for that (I keep telling people though this isnt Stargate or some irrelevant nerd show....geeks dont catch feelings I'm sure SG1 was/is a great a show but I digress). But we all know she finds out and is loyal to Clark and the fans want her to aspire to something better to make a more in depth character and it can be done with out forcing random storylines to prove something that they misunderstood.

They write this show like a bizarre version of Buffy (More romantic in nature). Not Angel (the "Man's" show), and I would be fine with that. I really do get into love stories, and the such if they are written well.

The problem is how big of a mess they have turned this situation into. They feel the need to be "hip" and "sexy" and strip everyone down for no other reason then for them to be naked. They have done the basic "virigin" storylines.

Oh look no one's denying stuff like that is crap. I dont know how much you search these boards but even I have criticise the writers for stuff like that. You dont need to make storylines like that (especially when you know they dont work) just make better storylines. No one had a problem with her in the first 2 seasons, why add these storylines? I understand they dont need them, so just dont mess up the character like that.

The whole point I was making here is that I believe they really don't know what is suppose to be happening before they write it. And what they do is stretch 4 or 5 episodes of material over 22, and they really don't care. Sprinkling in a bit of the main arc every episode, doesn't make it "connect".

Because she isnt gonna go anywhere so long as she's one of the main characters and it set in Smallville but why not give her better storylines? And the writers do listen considering the fans can be vocal I mean Chloe and the Clana storylines are examples of that, the introduction of DC characters is an example of that (I'm sure they were thinking about it at the start of the show but fans really wanted them so it confirmed it). So why not ask them? But I dont think the writers need to entertain anymore notions of axing off characters is almost cliched now on TV shows it's a bit of a pet peeve and just for shock tatics and temporary gauged intrest.

Character death are hard business. It is something when executed right, is amazing. The problem is that Lana is so disliked, her death would be more relief then anything. Besides you don't need to kill her, just send her away. t:

 

[NHawk19]

i would have been with Kara (although i didnt like the actress playing her).

with regard to lois, while yes she is def eye candy, i think she does contribute to the show in more way sthen just that. she and clark have definite chemistry, and my fav scenes are 1-anything with clark-lex, 2 anything with clark-lois, 3- anything with lionel (i dont care who hes with).

i like that its getting closer and closer to
I'm excited for Jimmy.

:shrugging shoulders:

Again I agree that ED & TW have better chemistry on screen than say TW & AM or TW & KK. Just that her relevance to the story's has been minimal, and they seem to want to put her in places that just dont make sense just to have her around. In one season she went from Barista to Campaign Manager to Senator's Aid and she's barley 21.

I might change my mind if they really clear up the inconsistancies in her character.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A lotta shows do that though, the fact that they give everyone a cliffhanger goes in hand with the fact they have stories and subplots for each character. and @ that shyt pissing you off....

Not every show, and certainly not every season. This show goes out of the way to make sure there storyline last just long enough (no matter how much it becomes watered down) so they can smack you in the face.

 

[avidreader]

4) Clark doesnt fly but Zod does.

Aside from the fact that we know the reasons why he doesnt fly are to do with budget, if you look at it in terms of the show it has been pointed out, by Bridget Crosby, that Clark flying equates with him accepting his Kryptonian destinty.

Now he doesnt know what that is yet, he's working on it though.

Human Clark has also shown us that he is afraid of heights. When it gets down to the crunch in the show that they do have him flying, then we might see the acceptance of his destiny and the fear of heights coming together and being resolved as one and the same.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Aside from the fact that we know the reasons why he doesnt fly are to do with budget, if you look at it in terms of the show it has been pointed out, by Bridget Crosby, that Clark flying equates with him accepting his Kryptonian destinty.

Now he doesnt know what that is yet, he's working on it though.

Human Clark has also shown us that he is afraid of heights. When it gets down to the crunch in the show that they do have him flying, then we might see the acceptance of his destiny and the fear of flights coming together and being resolved as one and the same.

Then when Clark puts on the red K, why doesn't he fly around all over the place? Heck this sort of goes right against his gaining of powers over the years.

 

[NHawk19]

Aside from the fact that we know the reasons why he doesnt fly are to do with budget, if you look at it in terms of the show it has been pointed out, by Bridget Crosby, that Clark flying equates with him accepting his Kryptonian destinty.

Now he doesnt know what that is yet, he's working on it though.

Human Clark has also shown us that he is afraid of heights. When it gets down to the crunch in the show that they do have him flying, then we might see the acceptance of his destiny and the fear of flights coming together and being resolved as one and the same.

Sorry avid I dont buy it . . .

If it was all budget why have anyone fly? or go through the "jump" scenes which use similar techniques and f/x.

As for the heights you'd think he'd have worked through that based on that little jump with Lana in the FOS or the missile.

I'm not saying he has to fly all the time I just want acknowledgement by him that he can and does.

Also I just notices DS's post and have to say that's another sound arguement.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Aside from the fact that we know the reasons why he doesnt fly are to do with budget, if you look at it in terms of the show it has been pointed out, by Bridget Crosby, that Clark flying equates with him accepting his Kryptonian destinty.

Now he doesnt know what that is yet, he's working on it though.

Human Clark has also shown us that he is afraid of heights. When it gets down to the crunch in the show that they do have him flying, then we might see the acceptance of his destiny and the fear of flights coming together and being resolved as one and the same.

What budget Lois and Clark had Superman flying around all the time and using his Super-Powers and it still was good.

 

[Kaboom]

Then when Clark puts on the red K, why doesn't he fly around all over the place? Heck this sort of goes right against his gaining of powers over the years.

your missing the distinction.

"Clark," no matter what cannot fly until he embraces his Kryptonian heritage. All red K does is free him of his inhibitions, but hes still "clark"

"Kal-El" on the other hand is a fully self-actualized Kryptonian, and can do w/e he wants.

 

[avidreader]

To fly all the time I just want acknowledgement by him that he can and does.

I think if he does master flying then it would be a complete cop out to just acknowledge it. You would want to see him doing it all the time.

If it was all budget why have anyone fly? or go through the "jump" scenes which use similar techniques and f/x.

Well they can afford to do it in season pre-ems because they get a little extra money, they cant afford to keep it going all the time.

As for the heights you'd think he'd have worked through that based on that little jump with Lana in the FOS or the missile.

I'm sure he is working through it. He still made mention of it though in Fragile and Fade, so its obviously still has some concern for him. It may only come down to the fact that he doesnt want to be caught doing it.

What budget Lois and Clark had Superman flying around all the time and using his Super-Powers and it still was good.

They re-used the same scenes over and over again. There were times when he was doing more specific stuff and they used wires, but it wasnt something that they did regularly, and who knows what their budget was compared to Smallville's. I dont think you can compare.

 

[Kaboom]

Again I agree that ED & TW have better chemistry on screen than say TW & AM or TW & KK. Just that her relevance to the story's has been minimal, and they seem to want to put her in places that just dont make sense just to have her around. In one season she went from Barista to Campaign Manager to Senator's Aid and she's barley 21.

I might change my mind if they really clear up the inconsistancies in her character.

There's something to be said for being in the right place at the time...and being that every promotion has come about because of the Kent's i think its alot easier to swallow.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

your missing the distinction.

"Clark," no matter what cannot fly until he embraces his Kryptonian heritage. All red K does is free him of his inhibitions, but hes still "clark"

"Kal-El" on the other hand is a fully self-actualized Kryptonian, and can do w/e he wants.

No, no, no. You are now talking about two completely different things. Red Kryptonite does rid him of his inhibitions, which also rids him of his fears and his mental "road blocks" that would shut off his powers if it was all about accepting them. If his powers were not tied to his genetics.

What you are talking about when you say "Kal-EL", you are talking about mental road blocks. Clark's powers are bological in nature on Smallville. He didn't suddenly start "Accepting" his Kryptonian blood when he was a baby with super strength did he? Or how about Martha's story about his first taste of superspeed?

 

[avidreader]

There's something to be said for being in the right place at the time...and being that every promotion has come about because of the Kent's i think its alot easier to swallow.

Yeah, I mean the Kents obviously liked her and see something virtuous in her that others dont. It could be that they realise she's the right woman for their son (even though they may not be thinking strictly in those terms) than what their son does.