The Offical thread to Vent if need be.

[avidreader]

i disagree. i was not a big fan of lana at all 1-4. I thought 5 her character was handled great.

i am a fan of smallville and i object to you telling people what my preferences are.

kindly refrain from so doing in the future.

I agree. Everything about his posts scream personal preference. And that's okay, but it should be prefaced with an IMO.

One's wants and desires are not always the general consensus and some people just need to realise this.

 

[avidreader]

I dont know if it's Lana or the writers but her character has always felt awkward to me. With one notable exception and that was in the first 3 eps of season 5.

That's because she was shown to be in a completely open relationship with Clark.

Unfortunately, that's a side effect of the Lana character. She's so desperate to know everything about Clark it then makes her come off as needy, insecure and self-centred.

I think this season is going to be a strong season for Lana. She's going to be working with Lex on "alien stuff" and I believe it may lead her to finding out the truth without the audience having to endure her neverending sermons about truth and honesty.

 

[blksuperman2]

That's because she was shown to be in a completely open relationship with Clark.

Unfortunately, that's a side effect of the Lana character. She's so desperate to know everything about Clark it then makes her come off as needy, insecure and self-centred.

I think this season is going to be a strong season for Lana. She's going to be working with Lex on "alien stuff" and I believe it may lead her to finding out the truth without the audience having to endure her neverending sermons about truth and honesty.

Hopefully.

 

[Serene]

I wasnt necessarily speaking to romantic chemistry, just their interactions on screen. They seem to play well together.

Oh, then we actually agree.
Their scenes are fun, but I'm hoping they go a little beyond that this season. The snark is cute, but I'd like to see them work together without her *****ing at him in every scene. Before this series ends, I want to feel good about Clark's future with this woman. I think we've had hints of her developing self, I just want to see more of it.

I dont know if it's Lana or the writers but her character has always felt awkward to me. With one notable exception and that was in the first 3 eps of season 5.

I totally understand how frustrations have developed over Lana's character. I'm with avid, and hopeful that this season brings an end to the constant clueless state they keep her in. It's hard to respect a character who is always clueless about what's really going on.. and always angry about it.. for FIVE seasons.

That's why so many people liked Lana for the first time at the beginning of S5. She wasn't angry anymore, and her situation wasn't based solely on frustration. IMO, of course.

 

[Kaboom]

i enjoyed lana this season, Rene....and you know how much i wasnt a fan of her before

 

[avidreader]

i enjoyed lana this season, Rene....and you know how much i wasnt a fan of her before

I could relate to everything she did up until Vessel. She was given some really b***** stuff to do in that episode.

I'm almost certain she heard Chloe screaming in the background when she was running into the Luthorcorp Building.

I dont mind her being angry, but I dont want her to be the BigB.

 

[Kaboom]

i like evil lana!

clark has a secret. clark doesnt tell lana. lanba becomes bitter. lana dates super evil lexzod. learns clarks secret. sees everythign he always did for her. feels guilty for the bad she did. of course there is no longer any romantic interest but a great understanding between friends. leading her to becoming the great protector of Clark's secret.

whats not to like?

 

[Serene]

I'm almost certain she heard Chloe screaming in the background when she was running into the Luthorcorp Building..

What?? Where did that come from?

I mean, there was a LOT of screaming all around her, yes? Do you really think she heard Chloe specifically? Is the Luthorcorp building supposed to be next to the Daily Planet building? I assumed they were in different parts of downtown Metro. Thinking that Lana heard Chloe scream and ignored it makes no sense to me.

 

[Serene]

i like evil lana!

clark has a secret. clark doesnt tell lana. lanba becomes bitter. lana dates super evil lexzod. learns clarks secret. sees everythign he always did for her. feels guilty for the bad she did. of course there is no longer any romantic interest but a great understanding between friends. leading her to becoming the great protector of Clark's secret.

whats not to like?

Oh, you just want to see them dress her all evil and ****ty.

Actually, I'd prefer that too. I hate when they dress her frumpy.

 

[blksuperman2]

What?? Where did that come from?

I mean, there was a LOT of screaming all around her, yes? Do you really think she heard Chloe specifically? Is the Luthorcorp building supposed to be next to the Daily Planet building? I assumed they were in different parts of downtown Metro. Thinking that Lana heard Chloe scream and ignored it makes no sense to me.

When the ep first aired. I thought the same as avidreader. They way the scene was shot, it was like Chloe and Lana were in the same vicinity. After watching it again it seems that they are in completely different areas of the Metropolis.

 

[Serene]

When the ep first aired. I thought the same as avidreader. They way the scene was shot, it was like Chloe and Lana were in the same vicinity. After watching it again it seems that they are in completely different areas of the Metropolis.

After talking in with triplet about this, she reminds me that the DP and Luthorcorp are right next to each other - we saw that in Insurgence when Clark jumped the gap.

But I still can't see why Lana would suddenly be EVIL enough to ignore Chloe's screams if she had heard them. She's just trying to make a relationship with Lex work.. she hasn't lightswitched into the kind of person that would let her friends be harmed.. Yet. We'll see what they have her do in the future though..

I saw no on-screen evidence of her knowing that Chloe was in danger. Don't you think that if they were going to go there, they would have made a point of her looking over at Chloe, or having Chloe call out to her?

 

[avidreader]

i like evil lana!

clark has a secret. clark doesnt tell lana. lanba becomes bitter. lana dates super evil lexzod. learns clarks secret. sees everythign he always did for her. feels guilty for the bad she did. of course there is no longer any romantic interest but a great understanding between friends. leading her to becoming the great protector of Clark's secret.

whats not to like?

Oh, I like that idea. But being evil isnt the same as being b***** (cant we say that word on here )

What?? Where did that come from?

I mean, there was a LOT of screaming all around her, yes? Do you really think she heard Chloe specifically? Is the Luthorcorp building supposed to be next to the Daily Planet building? I assumed they were in different parts of downtown Metro. Thinking that Lana heard Chloe scream and ignored it makes no sense to me.

Yep. The Luthorcorp building is right next to the Daily Planet. Remember Insurgence?

I believe what actually happened was that when they shot the scene it was alot more obvious, but they decided it was just TOO much of a turn to evil for Lana and they cut around it.

But you can definitely hear a scream, Lana stops as if she's listening, and then continues.

I could be wrong, but I thought it was a possibility worth mentioning. Ya know, something to discuss.

 

[triplet]

I believe what actually happened was that when they shot the scene it was alot more obvious, but they decided it was just TOO much of a turn to evil for Lana and they cut around it.

But you can definitely hear a scream, Lana stops as if she's listening, and then continues.

I could be wrong, but I thought it was a possibility worth mentioning. Ya know, something to discuss.

I don't know if that was the original intention of the scene but I didn't get that from the scene at all...

I think that IF (and that's a big if) Lana thought she *might* have heard Chloe's screams for help, then I think she maybe thought her mind was playing tricks with her and went on her way to see Lex.

I don't believe for a minute that her being that evil (leaving Chloe to her fate) at this point is at all motivated and wouldn't make any sense.

Like 'Rene said, it's not like a lightswitch... maybe Lex will work her up to helping him do evil deeds, lying to her the whole way to get her more integrated into whatever evil schemes he might have... That makes sense but not her already being so uncaring and hateful that she'd knowingly leave Chloe to die...

I wouldn't have bought it if that had been the original intent of the scene and I'm glad they changed it, if it was.

 

[SLVRSR4]

Whitney "Take care of her Clark" He has obviously been waiting for you to leave and die!

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Here is the thing. That part of Clark's life is in a way suppose to be separate from that.

When you have someone like Zod or this version of Brainiac, the story is about the boy sent to earth, from a dead planet. When you suddenly turn his girl into the reincarnated version of someone who hurted down the crystals years before you start to have problems.

There isn't always need to make Lana super significant to Clark's storyline. Sometimes he could just be confronting evil or his father's sins. That is also a commonly used arc in superhero mythos.

But there showing this element of the Superman Mythology while he's still in Smallville and since season 1 the perogative is to everyone involve and give each one there story or web it around Clark. The witch story was bad cause it was a witch but having Lana discover about Clark is the way to go and like I said there moving towards. So there's nothing wrong with that. next

So you would agree that they have written the character into the ground on more then a few ocassions? You don't believe that some of the problems with Lana's character is that perhaps the need to insert her in every situation and that KK really isn't a strong actress?

Not at all, when I first heard that people didnt like the character I watched her and I didnt see anything that stood out. It was more like people who more anixous to see maybe there other favourite girl (Chloe or Lois) or want it the show to be like "Superman Begins". But you have to remember if she's a main character since season 1 why not put her in the main storylines.

My issue those storylines should be more credible in inoving. You can put her in the story discovering the stones or whatever, you just dont have to make her a witch. And if your gonna show the relationship between Clark and Lana elevate to show that there more than girlfriend and boyfriend and that Lana is a friend to him and can be one the people he can turn to in this transistion to his destiny. Everyone can agree with that cause thats how she should be and nothing drastic has to happen to do this. As far as saying Kristin Kreuk isnt a strong actress she's definetley adequate enough. Rarely do people complain about the acting from her cause the writers dont give her much to work with. But considering she got a lot of credit in the reviews for playing a drug addict in that episode despite how unneccessary it was, we can give her props as SV is her only main acting gig.

It doesn't work because the writers and actors suffer in terms of ability. Even DeKnight looks losted here.
Young and trendy means making it mindless and lacking in depth? They use those things to make an easy way out of working on strong characters, scripts, and acting.

But thats the thing it isnt mindless and lacking in depth, it got strong characters, and even the so-called weakest character is still better than weaker characters on other shows. It brings in so many ideas and characters and a whole DC Mythology that it isnt badly written at all. The campiness is so minimum and it is still a young Clark Kent story and is written. Fact of the matter the main characters are not even 20 and were showing them try to mature. That's fine, there getting there but because we know there still growing and are early in college we understand there inconsistencies. Fact is there at the age where doing a lotta growing a lot and a fluctuation in adjustment to handling a situation with maturity just like real people.

Major arcs? They have avoid pulling the trigger far to many times over the years for me to believe they actually knew were everything would sit at the end of five seasons.

Because as the show got successful the series has been prolonged and they need to fill it in with other arc stories. Fact is if it ended in 5 seasons we wouldnt have seen Lois Lane or Green Arrow or things of that nautre. In perspective long shows like this have prolonged things. It's fine, there's things, there's things you dont but every part from clark to lana to the others defies the show.

But what if a character can't endear themselves? What is the character's only path is a rehash of what others have done on the same show, or even perhaps what the character themselves has already gone through.

I'll have to stop right there because you have answered your question and at the same time failed to listen.
For starters she is endeared by the large audience who watches the show because Clark and Lana because it's a rehash. Often with genres they have placed conventions and personalties of characters, so with this showing being a teen/WB show partly people like that. I know that YOU as a sci fi/fantasy fan probably dont dig that, but it is still a viable large audience and then there's people like me who dont see the show with too much of a critical eye.

You act as if getting rid of a character shouldn't, ever be done. It isn't only a cop out. Some times it is sound decision making.
Also were do you get these statistics?

It is getting to be cliched and a cop out a lot of shows last season did it and you keep hearing it this season, so much to the extent that because of the frequency I dont think it is a sound desicison, its just something to do in the sweepstakes.
As far as stats, you dont need stats the writers and producers acknowlege the fans voice and campaign drove them to bring them back together (Season 5) or end the 'ship (season 3). Audiences are vocal and it SV's case there mixed on and off the net. Come on now....

 

[triplet]

Whitney "Take care of her Clark" He has obviously been waiting for you to leave and die!

I am totally confused what you mean by this...

 

[avidreader]

I don't know if that was the original intention of the scene but I didn't get that from the scene at all...

I think that IF (and that's a big if) Lana thought she *might* have heard Chloe's screams for help, then I think she maybe thought her mind was playing tricks with her and went on her way to see Lex.

After the episode first aired I saw people saying this and I thought what a load of nonsense Lana would never do that.

However, after watching it on DVD where everything is so much clearer I thought to myself, yeah maybe she did hear her.

Now I dont believe that she would have deliberately ignored her and if that was their original intent then I'm glad they chose not to go there, but there could be two possible reasons why she did.

a) Like you said, she thought she heard something and thought to herself that she didnt; or

b) She was so desperate to get to Lex that her thought process was completely clouded.

I wasnt suggesting that Lana is a horrible person and she would ignore a friend in need to go and make out with her lover.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Oh, you just want to see them dress her all evil and ****ty.

She did enough of that in Season 4 to show off that tattoo for my liking.

One thing that really bugged me was Reckoning. Now, we all know that Clark tells Lana, Lana dies, so Clark goes back and does the day over again to prevent Lana from being killed.

Clark resigns himself not to tell Lana his secret this time. When Chloe calls him on it, he says something along the lines of "as long as we're together, someone will be trying to find out my secret, so they'll be watching her." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the general gist of what Clark was trying to get across.

Now, I understand him not telling her his secret. Among other things, it was meant to both give Clark something to agonize over - that he had exactly what he wanted with Lana and was forced to give it up - and to set up more strain in Clark and Lana's relationship to break them up in upcoming episodes and set up a relationship between Lana and Lex.

I get that. What bugs me the most, though, is his reasoning behind it. Like not knowing Clark's secret makes her any safer? If anything, as long as the two are together, it makes Lana LESS safe. Not to mention the safety of Chloe, who Clark apparently doesn't care about.

IMO, they should have either found a stronger reasoning for Clark to not tell Lana the second time around or have had Reckoning be the episode where Clark and Lana broke up, period.

 

[avidreader]

I get that. What bugs me the most, though, is his reasoning behind it. Like not knowing Clark's secret makes her any safer? If anything, as long as the two are together, it makes Lana LESS safe. Not to mention the safety of Chloe, who Clark apparently doesn't care about.

IMO, they should have either found a stronger reasoning for Clark to not tell Lana the second time around or have had Reckoning be the episode where Clark and Lana broke up, period.

I think that's what he is going to learn by this though. Not telling her is also dangerous but he hasnt worked that out yet.

You gotta remember that part of Smallville is why Clark chooses later on in life to put on a costume to do his saving rather than doing it as Clark Kent.

That's a knowledge that he'll gain from his relationship with Lana.

As far as Chloe, well a friend isnt exactly the same as a lover, and Clark wasnt responsible for Chloe learning the truth about him. Whereas it was his choice to reveal himself to Lana.

 

[Spider-Gamer]

I am totally confused what you mean by this...

I think what he means is that one of, if not last, lines of Whitney to Clark was, "Take care of her Clark" and that Clark has obviously been waiting for Whitney to leave and die. At least thats what I think he means.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I think that's what he is going to learn by this though. Not telling her is also dangerous but he hasnt worked that out yet.

You gotta remember that part of Smallville is why Clark chooses later on in life to put on a costume to do his saving rather than doing it as Clark Kent.

That's a knowledge that he'll gain from his relationship with Lana.

As far as Chloe, well a friend isnt exactly the same as a lover, and Clark wasnt responsible for Chloe learning the truth about him. Whereas it was his choice to reveal himself to Lana.

I suppose you have a point there. It makes a bit more sense when you look at it that way, but if you look at the way it comes across in the episode, IMO, it kinda looks like a shoddy justification for them to welch on it, you know?

As far as Chloe goes, I suppose it's true that someone that's romantically involved with Clark will be under more scrutiny than someone that's just a friend, but at the same time, anyone who's really trying to find out about Clark is going to go after anyone he cares about whether they think they know or not (remember Pete?). So yeah, you do have a very good point. If I'm going after Clark Kent, my first target would be the woman he loves. If I can't do that though, my next choice is his best friend.

And well yeah, there's not much he can do about it with Chloe, since she kind of found out on her own. I'm not saying she should get a big fat mindwipe - I'm just saying maybe it had been given more consideration in that episode.

 

[triplet]

I think what he means is that one of, if not last, lines of Whitney to Clark was, "Take care of her Clark" and that Clark has obviously been waiting for Whitney to leave and die. At least thats what I think he means.

But Whitney died in season 2...

Clark wouldn't *still* be waiting for him to die.

I don't get it...

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

But Whitney died in season 2...

Clark wouldn't *still* be waiting for him to die.

I don't get it...

When Whitney left in Season 1, he asked Clark to watch out for Lana...

...even though throughout that season it had been apparent that Clark had a thing for Lana and would love to have a chance to move in.

He was saying that it was stupid of Whitney to ask Clark to watch out for Lana when it was obvious Clark just wanted a shot of getting together with Lana.

I don't know how to make it much more obvious, really.

 

[Kaboom]

When Whitney left in Season 1, he asked Clark to watch out for Lana...

...even though throughout that season it had been apparent that Clark had a thing for Lana and would love to have a chance to move in.

He was saying that it was stupid of Whitney to ask Clark to watch out for Lana when it was obvious Clark just wanted a shot of getting together with Lana.

I don't know how to make it much more obvious, really.

it wasnt stupid at all.....It was really smart.
Obviously Clark wanted to move in on Lana and obviously Whitney was going away.

the only way he could keep Clark from lana was to continue to interject himself into their interactions. but how to do that?

the only way is to ask Clark, (who Whitney knows is very very honorable) to promise him he would look out for Lana for him.

now Clark, if he makes a move, is not just moving in on another guy's girl, but is breaking a promise he made. Something Whitney knows Clark could never do.

Genious!

 

[AgentPat]

He was saying that it was stupid of Whitney to ask Clark to watch out for Lana when it was obvious Clark just wanted a shot of getting together with Lana.

Count me in with those that are still confused. Clark and Whitney buried the hatchet earlier in the season. By the time of Tempest, Whitney asked Clark to keep an eye out for Lana because he saw Clark as a loyal and trusting friend. He learned through experience that Clark was a good person and wouldn't move in on his girlfriend when he left. Whitney also knew (from his perspective) that Clark was DATING Chloe at that point.

So um... yeah, even *I'm* confused about this part.