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In Spider-ManHero12's defence, I haven't really seen him mention the previous trilogy that often now, unless it actually gets brought up by somebody else first. And he does seem to be quite optimistic (yet skeptical =P) of the reboot.

Now... there's people that genuinely seem to hate the reboot that don't show their face here, thankfully.
 
You know, Ajendo, I'm not surprised that you'll go weeks without saying something unless it involves me.
 
You definitely have a point there because as soon as the franchise was rebooted, a lot of fans I noticed, and even some publication websites, started dumping on Tim Burton's films, fairly and unfairly and the same will happen with Nolan's films more than likely. The truth of it is, time isn't always kind to movies because not only does technology change and evolve, but our tastes do as well. I was 3 when Batman came out so obviously the movie will hold a special place in my heart but when I look at it now, or even Batman Returns, I can see some of the flaws that people older and wiser than me point out or have pointed out. Same with the first spider-man trilogy. For me, the first two movies haven't aged as well as I thought they would even though I still love the 2nd one and like parts of the 1st, but that has to do with my taste changing as I get older and that may have as much to do with people's changing opinions as opposed to just "jumping the bandwagon." Seeing something at 16 is completely different than seeing it at 25

I do see what you are saying. It's all very true. Other than people's tastes changing, you have the fact that some people like something in general terms but do have smaller problems with a film or franchise. Sometimes these people might not even realise the problems they have with whatever's in question until they have something to compare it with. Like me, overall I like the Nolan Batfilms, but I've never been completely taken by Bale as Wayne. Does that mean when the next lot of films begin and I find the actor playing Bruce to be a better fit that I'll be a 'bandwagoner'? Even though I've always been quite positive when posting about Nolan's? I guess I could be. But I'll wait till I am and put whatever poster says so back in their box.

With Spidey, same thing. I enjoyed the Raimi films. My favourite hero had his time on the Big Screen. Excellent. But I had my problems with them. Do I hope the new film corrects these problems? Yes, of course I do. On the other hand I know the new film will have its own problems. The Nolan films are seen by most as high quality. They are. But they have their problems, too. Nothing is perfect.

I never expect perfection. Just entertainment. What people are entertained by is completely subjective. Now we have internet, messageboards, and the chance to share our opinions on what we like and what we don't.

Let the threads keep growing.
 
I highly doubt it, and here's why. There will LAWAYS be a small minority that hates something. There are certain fans that hate nolans Bat films, but the majority loves them. The majority of people (including myself) loved Raimi's films, but there's a small minority that doesn't. There will always be bashers out there no matter what anybody does.

And half the people I knew when S-M3 was going around have long since left this place. Unfortunately.

Good point, but how do you determine a majority? Based on the money a flick makes or based on the opinions of people on the boards? Because I could say based on cash flow alone, the majority of people loved the original batman movies but if you come on boards, it's a different tune altogether. I've never been a fan of saying that how much money something makes equates to customer satisfaction with film, because a lot of those numbers are front loaded, unless its something like dark knight which sustained its numbers for most of that summer. The only way to really determine what the majority felt or feels now, would be go question most of the people who paid to see the flicks and that's impossible to do. I would't even say the majority of people like Nolan's films cause although the money could point to that being highly true, it's a loaded statement that logistically, I can't back up. The transformers trilogy has made an incredible amount of cash but if we look on the internet, that trilogy may as well have made a couple thousand bucks at the box office
 
There were no first person sequences is the Raimi films..


And Webb has already stated that it will be used very sparingly for very specific scenes.

Oh yes there was....

In Spider-man 1, just after he "becomes Spider-man" there is a POV shot of him swinging from high to a low street level. It's only a few seconds long, but it's there. I tried finding a pic or a clip on youtube...no luck.
 
Good point, but how do you determine a majority? Based on the money a flick makes or based on the opinions of people on the boards? Because I could say based on cash flow alone, the majority of people loved the original batman movies but if you come on boards, it's a different tune altogether. I've never been a fan of saying that how much money something makes equates to customer satisfaction with film, because a lot of those numbers are front loaded, unless its something like dark knight which sustained its numbers for most of that summer. The only way to really determine what the majority felt or feels now, would be go question most of the people who paid to see the flicks and that's impossible to do. I would't even say the majority of people like Nolan's films cause although the money could point to that being highly true, it's a loaded statement that logistically, I can't back up. The transformers trilogy has made an incredible amount of cash but if we look on the internet, that trilogy may as well have made a couple thousand bucks at the box office
Well, if you look at the track record for the first 2 films, they recieved critical acclaim. Well, that and the fact that you heard about them literally every where.
 
I do see what you are saying. It's all very true. Other than people's tastes changing, you have the fact that some people like something in general terms but do have smaller problems with a film or franchise. Sometimes these people might not even realise the problems they have with whatever's in question until they have something to compare it with. Like me, overall I like the Nolan Batfilms, but I've never been completely taken by Bale as Wayne. Does that mean when the next lot of films begin and I find the actor playing Bruce to be a better fit that I'll be a 'bandwagoner'? Even though I've always been quite positive when posting about Nolan's? I guess I could be. But I'll wait till I am and put whatever poster says so back in their box.

With Spidey, same thing. I enjoyed the Raimi films. My favourite hero had his time on the Big Screen. Excellent. But I had my problems with them. Do I hope the new film corrects these problems? Yes, of course I do. On the other hand I know the new film will have its own problems. The Nolan films are seen by most as high quality. They are. But they have their problems, too. Nothing is perfect.

I never expect perfection. Just entertainment. What people are entertained by is completely subjective. Now we have internet, messageboards, and the chance to share our opinions on what we like and what we don't.

Let the threads keep growing.

Agreed 100%..I'm not the biggest fan of Bale as Batman or even the way Batman's character is written in all facets but I still love the films regardless and when the next era comes along, hopefully it does what I want in terms of his character and I felt the same with Spidey. Nolan's films are seen as perfect because they fit the times we live in and appeal to people on that broader base. It's like Bond..if we are going off of money, people LOVED Die Another Day but clearly, the producers didn't, the critics didn't and I would be a part of the fan base that didn't and they changed directions and tones to fit the time we're in now and what fans wanted and asked for after seeing CGI Bond parasailing. The results? Casino Royale
 
I do see what you are saying. It's all very true. Other than people's tastes changing, you have the fact that some people like something in general terms but do have smaller problems with a film or franchise. Sometimes these people might not even realise the problems they have with whatever's in question until they have something to compare it with. Like me, overall I like the Nolan Batfilms, but I've never been completely taken by Bale as Wayne. Does that mean when the next lot of films begin and I find the actor playing Bruce to be a better fit that I'll be a 'bandwagoner'? Even though I've always been quite positive when posting about Nolan's? I guess I could be. But I'll wait till I am and put whatever poster says so back in their box.

With Spidey, same thing. I enjoyed the Raimi films. My favourite hero had his time on the Big Screen. Excellent. But I had my problems with them. Do I hope the new film corrects these problems? Yes, of course I do. On the other hand I know the new film will have its own problems. The Nolan films are seen by most as high quality. They are. But they have their problems, too. Nothing is perfect.

I never expect perfection. Just entertainment. What people are entertained by is completely subjective. Now we have internet, messageboards, and the chance to share our opinions on what we like and what we don't.

Let the threads keep growing.

Good post :up:
 
Oh yes there was....

In Spider-man 1, just after he "becomes Spider-man" there is a POV shot of him swinging from high to a low street level. It's only a few seconds long, but it's there. I tried finding a pic or a clip on youtube...no luck.

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I've been over this. That is not a first person shot. You can't see any of the subject's body, nor does the camera move like a person. I've seen countless people try and argue this, but it's a complete farce. I love Raimi's final swings, but let's stop crediting for something he never did.
 
Well, if you look at the track record for the first 2 films, they recieved critical acclaim. Well, that and the fact that you heard about them literally every where.

Fair enough, but like I mentioned with transformers, the critical acclaim wasn't there, but the money was and the exposure so again, what determines a majority? It seems most people on the net hate transformers with a passion and critics are ambivalent, but the numbers say otherwise. I completely understand where you're coming from and agree with you to a point, but I just don't think the majority or minority thing works in terms of music, movies or anything that is driven on the bottom line. Vanilla Ice and Mc Hammer sold a lot of records back in the day but if you talked to fans in the know, they were garbage acts who couldn't hold a microphone next to guys who weren't selling as much and look what happened to those two.
 
You're probably right about that lol I generally like to think people are more positive or progressive but clearly that's not the case. I think I'm just going off of what I know of people outside of the Internet and how I'm used to interacting with people and I can always get a real reasoning behind any change in belief or opinion. I will pose this to you though just as a thought: Could the influx of difference of opinions now be from members who just didn't want to speak up on their opinions between 02-07? I wasn't here but from what you say, it was pretty much all praise all the time, but what if there were people who were afraid to speak on their differences of opinions and now that there is a reboot and that era of Spider-man films are over and done, they can now come out and speak their minds..just a theory.

A theory very close to the truth, regardless of what spideyhero12 aka Mr recognition may think.

I was chastised and even banned on occasion simply because my opinion went against the grain of those that adored and loved Raimi's movies. Every argument and criticism that is now being made against Raimi is nonsense to me because it's old stuff that I was saying years ago on these very boards, the only difference was I was vocal about it to the point that it attracted attention, people felt offended that their beloved Raimi couldn't please everyone and surprise surprise, flame wars occurred.

Many of the reasons why this reboot is even happening is because of things that I predicted way back in 2003/2004 with the way these movies were heading and the joke in all this is, trying to reason with rabid fanboys when there's no benchmark to compare other spidey movies to is often a waste of time because it's like their brains shut down and go into zombie mode, marching to the mantra of Raimi is a god, everything else is stupid.

Now, in the advent of films in this genre being handled better and with quality productions out there and with a new spidey movie on the horizon, some people are believe it or not are slowly having the scales removed from their eyes and can see the limitations of the spidey movies and now have higher expectations for a movie based on the characters.

For starters, I remember vividly, spideyhero12 would often cite that nobody else could come close to portraying Parker better than Maguire and I'm pretty sure he still believes that JK Simmons can't be topped. The fact is, up until recently, there were too many people here with closed minds and I always swore that I'll be here to broadcast the words, "I told you so" when we get a new spidey film that illuminates the mediocrity of Raimi's movies.

Good movies are good movies regardless of when they're made. Die Hard is still one of the best action movies of all time, From Russia With Love is still one of the best Bond and spy movies of all time. Raimi's spidey movies had a some great scenes but the movies as whole pieces of work just didn't cut the mustard for me and now, many people are only starting to realize this.
 
^^ And it's posts liks these that will make it so that nobody will ever get along. When you try to claim something, such as that as fact.
 
What am I claiming as fact, everything I said happened and is happening. Deal with it or take your ball and go home.
 
I only started to realize how mediocre I found the Raimi films as I got older. I still love SM1 and 2 to death, but they really aren't anything spectacular. As a 8-12 year old boy who loved Spider-Man, sure, they were the ****ing balls. But now, as a 20 year old, avid filmgoer, I can't appreciate them the way that I used to. Maguire fell flat as Pete, Kirsten Dunst was a terrible Mary Jane besides for the first half of the first film, Doc Ock was way too sympathetic of a character, SM3 sucked as a whole, etc.

I can't predict the future, TASM might fall flat on its face, but I think I'm allowed to say that I like what I've seen and heard about this film already a lot more than I currently enjoy the Raimi films.
 
What am I claiming as fact, everything I said happened and is happening. Deal with it or take your ball and go home.
No, what's happening is that group of people who did not like Raimi's films (and the ones who's opinions have changed" are just being more vocal now because they know the tides have turned. They feel "okay" to jump down the throats of people who liked Riami's films, just like the Nolan fans did to the Burton fans.
 
Good movies are good movies regardless of when they're made. Die Hard is still one of the best action movies of all time, From Russia With Love is still one of the best Bond and spy movies of all time. Raimi's spidey movies had a some great scenes but the movies as whole pieces of work just didn't cut the mustard for me and now, many people are only starting to realize this.

I can't speak on everything you said cause I wasn't here but I do agree with the bolded, bro. A good movie is a good movie and although From Russia With Love was made in the 60s, I can still watch it today and know I'm watching a very good flick. I sat down with my girl and watched Die Hard and she got so into it she wanted to see the other two and they still stand up to this day.
 
I only started to realize how mediocre I found the Raimi films as I got older. I still love SM1 and 2 to death, but they really aren't anything spectacular. As a 8-12 year old boy who loved Spider-Man, sure, they were the ****ing balls. But now, as a 20 year old, avid filmgoer, I can't appreciate them the way that I used to. Maguire fell flat as Pete, Kirsten Dunst was a terrible Mary Jane besides for the first half of the first film, Doc Ock was way too sympathetic of a character, SM3 sucked as a whole, etc.

I can't predict the future, TASM might fall flat on its face, but I think I'm allowed to say that I like what I've seen and heard about this film already a lot more than I currently enjoy the Raimi films.

I agree with all you said there!
 
I find it quite sad that all because I said the trailer seemed underwhelming a little, everybody jumps down my throat. Oh well.
 
We jump down your throat because you were in full approval but now, just 3 months later, it was underwhelming. The very thing you jump all over people for in regards to Raimi's films. It's hypocritical dude. Stop trying to play victim when you do stuff like this allllllll the time.
 
We jump down your throat because you were in full approval but now, just 3 months later, it was underwhelming. The very thing you jump all over people for in regards to Raimi's films. It's hypocritical dude. Stop trying to play victim when you do stuff like this allllllll the time.
And your not hypocriticla? LMFAO, you of all people? You're probably the most stubborn person I've talked to in the 55 years I've been here. I don't have to abide by YOUR rules just to make you happy, and I won't.
 
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I've been over this. That is not a first person shot. You can't see any of the subject's body, nor does the camera move like a person. I've seen countless people try and argue this, but it's a complete farce. I love Raimi's final swings, but let's stop crediting for something he never did.

Wrong. If it's not a first person shot, then what is it? It's meant to be a swinging shot as if you are Spider-man and this is what you see. Sounds first person to me. It doesn't matter that you can't see Spider-mans hands or something...it is meant to be a first person view. The camera moves as close as they could get it to move 'like a person' but it's not perfect...they just used the camera rigging system they had at the time. You can't blame them for the gear they were using. It was the best for that time.

Sorry but this shot was MEANT to be a first person POV. Show it to someone and they will say "it's what Spidey would see when he's swinging." That's the definition of POV.
 
I only started to realize how mediocre I found the Raimi films as I got older. I still love SM1 and 2 to death, but they really aren't anything spectacular. As a 8-12 year old boy who loved Spider-Man, sure, they were the ****ing balls. But now, as a 20 year old, avid filmgoer, I can't appreciate them the way that I used to. Maguire fell flat as Pete, Kirsten Dunst was a terrible Mary Jane besides for the first half of the first film, Doc Ock was way too sympathetic of a character, SM3 sucked as a whole, etc.

I can't predict the future, TASM might fall flat on its face, but I think I'm allowed to say that I like what I've seen and heard about this film already a lot more than I currently enjoy the Raimi films.

I appreciate this.

See, as an 8-12 year old, you're just a dumb kid happy to see someone zip around in a costume and see some explosions. Great! But as a mature human being with a firmer grip on taste and understanding what you're watching, you become more aware and critical of what you're watching. However, as I mentioned in my other post, a good movie is a good movie regardless of when it was made and at the time the spidey movies were released, particularly the first one, it already felt prematurely dated and to me, was a mediocre adaptation of the source material. Like yourself, there are many people in the same boat who can see what's wrong with these movies through they eyes of a more mature mind who has a better understanding of what their supposed to be watching.
 
Alright, I'm done. I'll come back a little later today when things cool down.
 
How do you know that's what it's supposed to be? Did you do the cinematography for that 1.5 second shot?


And funny, that's never what I thought. It was a 1.5 second shot. The only reason people try to point it out as a POV shot is because TASM is utilizing POV and it's the only thing people have to cling onto and say, "HEY LOOK RAIMI DID IT TOO!"

No. He didn't.
 
I was like 13 when S-M 3 came out... I loved it.

Then I joined the Hype and my eyes were opened. :P

:funny:
 
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