The Official "DC dosent really know what they're doing, do they?" thread

[yenaled]

They should bring in the guy who wrote the Metamorpho/Aquanewb book for the Outsiders now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Tony Bedard? I doubt they'd want him, since the whole reason they fired him is because he was writing something other than the balls-to-the-wall action-fest they wanted for BatO. Even if they did offer it to him again, pride might prevent him from taking it after being fired the first time around. Plus the Martian Manhunter's gone now. The BatO team is currently really different from what Bedard was setting up in the Five of a Kind one-shots. It seems unlikely that he'd come back to this new team and change his whole perspective on the team to mesh with editorial's.

 

[Arach Knight]

The comic book medium is as diverse as it is old. Before super hero comics became popular, this medium was rooted in romance and pulp fiction like Doc Savage. Super heroes do represent the popular face of American/Western comic books, but they do not represent the entire body of work. It is even more disappointing that somebody would say something so ignorant in a DC thread. As much as DC has irked me post-52, as a company, they have done some impressive work. Their Vertigo imprint is rivaled only by Image when it comes to original non-super hero output. Titles like Fables, Y: The Last Man, Pride of Baghdad, The Sandman, Hellblazer, American Virgin etc, all show the rich offerings for those who are not interested in super hero books.

Even Hollywood does not have a slate of nothing but super hero comic films. Just look at films such as Constantine, Road to Perdition and Stardust. Just because the non-comic community is unaware of the depth of the medium, does not mean that there is an absence of said depth. That is the fault of a dearth of knowledge, not a dearth of application. And if you are ashamed of something you are doing, then stop doing it. I'm a 24 year old college student. I never hang my head in shame that I read comic books. I read them in my dorm, on my way to classes, on the bus. i read them when i'm visiting with my folks. Who cares what other people think? At least people who read comic books, actually read. That is more than can be said for the greater majority of this country.

 

[Anubis]

I just learned a new word. "dearth". Thanks Arach Knights.

 

[Aristotle]

And I was with You Aristotle up until you bashed Thor. May your testicles be smashed with an enchanted hammer.

I said it sucks for me. I have no history with Thor, so I have really no reason to get into his books. It always takes something monumentally good to get me into a Marvel character that I'm not interested (and took just as much to get me into DC characters that weren't Batman, back in the day.) Like Astonishing X-Men made me and X-Men fan.

The BatO team is currently really different from what Bedard was setting up in the Five of a Kind one-shots. It seems unlikely that he'd come back to this new team and change his whole perspective on the team to mesh with editorial's.

Bedard didn't write the 5oaK one-shots, did he?

 

[Aristotle]

Superman always seemed to do good for it's own sake.

I realize that you didn't say this, but I figured I'd piggyback on it because a lot of people do say that they can't relate to Superman because he does good for its own sake. Leaving aside the fact that about 85% of superheroes do good for its own sake, what does that say about us as a culture that we can't relate to someone who just does the right thing because it's right?

Just a thought.

 

[The Question]

I realize that you didn't say this, but I figured I'd piggyback on it because a lot of people do say that they can't relate to Superman because he does good for its own sake. Leaving aside the fact that about 85% of superheroes do good for its own sake, what does that say about us as a culture that we can't relate to someone who just does the right thing because it's right?

Just a thought.

That people are frightened of taking risks unless there is some major motivating factor that pushes them to do it, and even then not always.

 

[Aristotle]

It also says that people don't believe in doing the right thing because it's right. And that's kind of ****ed.

 

[Anubis]

But it's realistic!!!

 

[Aristotle]

I'm not sure how much more of reality I can take, frankly.

 

[Anubis]

Realism is for people whose imagination's committed suicide long ago.

 

[Manic]

Realism is for people whose imagination's committed suicide long ago.

What does that say about Mark Millar?



Come to think of it, what does that say about Neil Gaiman?

 

[The Question]

Realism is for people whose imagination's committed suicide long ago.

I would disagree. Being able to write realistically and being able to veer off into the realm of pure imagination are two literary skills that I think are equally important for a writer to posses.

 

[Manic]

So.. Millar's imagination didn't jump out a window, and Gaiman's imagination doesn't have the cure for cancer?

 

[The Question]

So.. Millar's imagination didn't jump out a window, and Gaiman's imagination doesn't have the cure for cancer?

Pretty much. And really, neither of them is staunchly "realistic" or "unrealistic." Gaiman, while dealing with fantasy elements in most of his stories, writes some of the more organic character arcs and duologue in comics, and Miller, despite all it's grittiness, has woven a lot of subtle supernatural themes into Sin City.

 

[Harlekin]

Millar = Ultimates.
Miller = Sin City.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Bedard didn't write the 5oaK one-shots, did he?

You're right, he didn't. G. Willow Wilson wrote the Metamorpho/Aquanewb one, and I doubt she'd take a break from her Vertigo stuff to write Outsiders.

 

[Kenda Man]

Who cares what other people think? At least people who read comic books, actually read. That is more than can be said for the greater majority of this country.

I completely agree with you. I think of comics as a form of epic stories and comics have become more sophiscated over time. Comics now tell long stories that are not just full of slugfests between villains and heroes, but actually have substance to the story.

If anything needs to be done with DC is that they should get the ball rolling when it comes to merchandising. I think they should use more obsecure characters and see where it goes. You could have Animal Man Beef Jerky (Even though Buddy is a Vegeterian), Negative Man brand first aid bandages (the Mummy looking guy from the Doom Patrol), Wonder Woman Bras, Bane's back correcting orhtopedic chairs ( helps straighten your back, but it could break your back if used improperly), Thom Kallor Starman pajamas, Solomon Grundy weed killer,etc. The possibilities are endless, if handled correctly.

I am happy that DC is putting the Legion of superheroes back into contiuity with Superman. I can't wait to see how Johns is going to explain why their are 3 different legions and I'm curious how the contiuity of the Legion of Superheroes will be affected in future titles. Will Mark Waid/Jim shooter's current legion monthly title end and a new monthly legion title come out of this Legion of three worlds event?

I tried watching the Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes show, but I stopped watching the show prematurely when I saw Timber Wolf was in his beast form from the very beginning. I would like to have seen it become a progressive change for Timber Wolf and see him with the Dave Cockrum costume , which was the "Timber-Wolf- had- the-Wolverine-hair-first" version of Timber Wolf. I will give it another shot because I saw they had Ferro Lad and a few more legionaires I've been wanting to see animated.

 

[Kenda Man]

Who cares what other people think? At least people who read comic books, actually read. That is more than can be said for the greater majority of this country.

I completely agree with you. I think of comics as a form of epic storytelling and comics have become more sophiscated over time. Comics now tell long stories that are not just full of slugfests between villains and heroes, but actually have substance in the story.

If anything needs to be done with DC is that they should get the ball rolling when it comes to merchandising. I think they should use more obsecure characters and see where it goes. You could have Animal Man Beef Jerky (Even though Buddy is a Vegeterian), Negative Man brand first aid bandages (the Mummy looking guy from the Doom Patrol), Wonder Woman Bras, Bane's back correcting orhtopedic chairs ( helps straighten your back, but it could break your back if used improperly), Thom Kallor Starman pajamas, Solomon Grundy weed killer,etc. The possibilities are endless, if handled correctly.

I am happy that DC is putting the Legion of superheroes back into contiuity with Superman. I can't wait to see how Johns is going to explain why their are 3 different legions and I'm curious how the contiuity of the Legion of Superheroes will be affected in future titles. Will Mark Waid/Jim shooter's current legion monthly title end and a new monthly legion title come out of this Legion of three worlds event?

I tried watching the Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes show, but I stopped watching the show prematurely when I saw Timber Wolf was in his beast form from the very beginning. I would like to have seen it become a progressive change for Timber Wolf and see him with the Dave Cockrum costume , which was the "Timber-Wolf- had- the-Wolverine-hair-first" version of Timber Wolf. I will give it another shot because I saw they had Ferro Lad and a few more legionaires I've been wanting to see animated.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope when Johns inevitably merges the three Legions into one, they keep the Legion's underlying motive as an alternative to the boring, stoic future society that Waid introduced. The idea of the Legion as more of a youth movement against apathy is such a wonderfully ironic concept for today's world. More than anything else about Waid's Legion, which I found interesting all around, that core concept was his stroke of genius, as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I hope Cos remains important. It was tough for me to watch the Legion of Super-Heroes cartoon because Cos was basically a bit player in it rather than a major part of the cast. Cos pretty much is the Legion, as far as I'm concerned. Cos, Brainy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad. Other Legionnaires can come and go, but those four are the core of the whole thing for me.

 

[Anubis]

I completely agree with you. I think of comics as a form of epic stories and comics have become more sophiscated over time. Comics now tell long stories that are not just full of slugfests between villains and heroes, but actually have substance to the story.

If anything needs to be done with DC is that they should get the ball rolling when it comes to merchandising. I think they should use more obsecure characters and see where it goes. You could have Animal Man Beef Jerky (Even though Buddy is a Vegeterian), Negative Man brand first aid bandages (the Mummy looking guy from the Doom Patrol), Wonder Woman Bras, Bane's back correcting orhtopedic chairs ( helps straighten your back, but it could break your back if used improperly), Thom Kallor Starman pajamas, Solomon Grundy weed killer,etc. The possibilities are endless, if handled correctly.

I am happy that DC is putting the Legion of superheroes back into contiuity with Superman. I can't wait to see how Johns is going to explain why their are 3 different legions and I'm curious how the contiuity of the Legion of Superheroes will be affected in future titles. Will Mark Waid/Jim shooter's current legion monthly title end and a new monthly legion title come out of this Legion of three worlds event?

I tried watching the Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes show, but I stopped watching the show prematurely when I saw Timber Wolf was in his beast form from the very beginning. I would like to have seen it become a progressive change for Timber Wolf and see him with the Dave Cockrum costume , which was the "Timber-Wolf- had- the-Wolverine-hair-first" version of Timber Wolf. I will give it another shot because I saw they had Ferro Lad and a few more legionaires I've been wanting to see animated.

Doesn't really matter now, the show got canceled.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it did. The second season was kind of not that great anyway, in retrospect.

 

[Kenda Man]

I hope when Johns inevitably merges the three Legions into one, they keep the Legion's underlying motive as an alternative to the boring, stoic future society that Waid introduced. The idea of the Legion as more of a youth movement against apathy is such a wonderfully ironic concept for today's world. More than anything else about Waid's Legion, which I found interesting all around, that core concept was his stroke of genius, as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I hope Cos remains important. It was tough for me to watch the Legion of Super-Heroes cartoon because Cos was basically a bit player in it rather than a major part of the cast. Cos pretty much is the Legion, as far as I'm concerned. Cos, Brainy, Saturn Girl, and Lightning Lad. Other Legionnaires can come and go, but those four are the core of the whole thing for me.

That is an interesting point that you mentioned, what role the legion will have in the future.I could maybe see them being a group that patrols the universe, but that kind of sounds like the Green Lantern corps of the future. I'm interested in seeing how things pan out.

I'm also interested who will write the Legion after Johns is done with Legion of 3 Worlds and how will the remaining legion members get along and try to resume their lives with legion members from the other worlds (Aka like Hawkman aka Carter Hall trying to resume his relationship with Kendra, even though Kendra is not on the same page as Carter).

I've been digging up old Legion comics of Keith Giffens and Paul Levitz run. I'm trying to find more issues because it is some great stuff . They did an awesome job with the retelling of Cosmic Boy's origin and showing his abilities. It was cool seeing Cos causing computers to unlock doors, disarming people of their weapons, flying faster because he flies on the magnetic waves, and lifting people's bodies by using the iron in their bloodstream. I'm curious who did the lifting people with the iron in their blood trick, Magneto or Cosmic Boy. I know Cos came out before Magneto, but I'm not sure who did that trick first. Cos is a great character and so is Wildfire.

I guess I didn't miss much if the show was cancelled after their second season.

 

[Anubis]

Oh, from around the middle to the end of season 1, the show was great. Season two had it's moments, but for the most part it was pretty meh. Though, the season finale was pretty good too. Not as good as season 1, but still one of the best the show had. It's worth a rent if you can find it on DVD.

 

[Kitsune]

I realize that you didn't say this, but I figured I'd piggyback on it because a lot of people do say that they can't relate to Superman because he does good for its own sake. Leaving aside the fact that about 85% of superheroes do good for its own sake, what does that say about us as a culture that we can't relate to someone who just does the right thing because it's right?

Just a thought.

Most characters have other motivations. Supes has always been the big blue boyscout... or rather Silver Age Supes has always been.