The Official "DC dosent really know what they're doing, do they?" thread

[yenaled]

Booster Gold and Action Comics both suck.

DC is quickly losing writers that are any good. The guy who wrote Blue Beetle left to focus on TV, Dixon was fired/forced out, Rucka is splitting his time between companies, Kelly is also splitting his time between companies and Morrison is going to focus on Vertigo once Final Crisis wraps up. Everyone else DC has is either struggling with mediocrity (Johns), struggling not to lose whatever edge he once had (Winick) or outright sucking (everyone else). Pretty soon, it'll be up to Simone to save DC.

Even Waid is back to "oh **** you guys, I'm off to be an Editor".

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's gotta say something that DC is shedding excellent creators like my cat sheds hair.

 

[WompuM]

Well, at least Morrison will be on Batman for a while.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I read Dini's Detective Comics for my Batman fill. I only wish RIP could've stayed out of it. I'll probably just skip those issues, though.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Outside of Spider-Man, Joe Q's not doing too bad. Given the two publishers' sales, I think it's far likelier that we'll see DiDio replaced long before Joe Q, barring some stroke of genius that gets everyone excited for DC's comics again.

Going to disagree here. The constant hero infighting and making heroes look like failing, bumbling idiots, the constant need to inflate a hack writer to God status, drubbing the flagship books and characters knowing damn well they will sell like hotcakes anyway, etc etc.

There are good books, but MAN do you have to dig for them.

I do agree with you about Didio losing his job first. No $$$ = losey jobey.

 

[venom892]

You don't have to dig very hard though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, outside of Spider-Man and anything Bendis writes, he's doing a good job. Look, I can't fault a guy too much if he's given me a top-selling Thor title and found a way to make Hercules the star of hands-down the most fun title on the stands.

 

[Blader5489]

You don't have to dig very hard though.

Yeah, really. Captain America, Iron Man, Thor... all great books and hardly obscure.

 

[venom892]

yea Marvel has..

Captain america
Thor
Daredevil
Uncanny X-men
X-men:Legacy
Iron Fist
Ghost Rider

and from what I hear
Nova
X-factor

 

[Franklin Richards]

Millar and Hitch just hit their stride on FF. 1985 and Wolverine tie-ins should be good.


I hope.

 

[WompuM]

DC has:
Johns' Justice Society
Morrison's Batman
Dini's Detective
Jonah Hex (though I personally dont read it)
Johns' Booster Gold
Miller's ASB&R
Johns' Green Lantern
Tomasi's Green Lantern Corps
Simone's upcoming Secret Six

and heck, Trinity is turning out so far.

maybe they are not as bad off as we make them out to be.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

About half of the things you listed suck.

 

[WompuM]

Lemme guess, all the things that have Geoff Johns writing them?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was thinking of ASB&R, Justice Society, and Green Lantern, specifically. I strongly suspect Morrison's Batman sucks too, but I haven't read it so I don't know.

 

[Blader5489]

I was thinking of ASB&R, Justice Society, and Green Lantern, specifically. I strongly suspect Morrison's Batman sucks too, but I haven't read it so I don't know.

It doesn't suck, but it doesn't make any sense either. The ending of RIP will determine how good or bad the run is overall.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I was thinking of ASB&R, Justice Society, and Green Lantern, specifically. I strongly suspect Morrison's Batman sucks too, but I haven't read it so I don't know.

I can only agree with the first title. I love the other two, so...

And Morrison's Batman is half and half with me.

 

[WompuM]

how do you not like ASB&R. it's like not liking evil dead.

 

[CBG]

Well, you can hate ASB&R if you're expecting to read Batman's character at his most 'iconic', like what the All-Star line was suppose to be.

However, if you read it for laughs and kicks (which I do), it's plain hilarious.

 

[The Eagle Host]

DC has:
Morrison's Batman
Dini's Detective
Jonah Hex (though I personally dont read it)
Tomasi's Green Lantern Corps
Simone's upcoming Secret Six

maybe they are as bad off as we make them out to be.

Fixed.

Also, All Star Batman? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[WompuM]

Exactly! it's a comedy.

 

[Arach Knight]

Well I haven't read any DC titles lately. I still want to read the Sinestro Corps...but other than that, DC has lost quite a bit of my interest. I read all of 52 and it wasn't bad. They did a pretty good job of passing the torch of The Question from Victor to Montoya. But as far as other things go...


-Morrison's run on Batman is a mixed bag, as is most of the things he writes. He is too much of an extremist for me. He is never content with creating a story...it always has to be some character altering dynamic, like making Magneto a mass murdering junky in New X-Men (retconned) or making the X-Men into the Black Panthers (Oakland, 1970's, Huey P. Newton...look it up).

Then we get his run on Batman, which so far includes retconning a child into existence that Batman didn't need, ninja man-bats (comical but no) and now he turned Thomas wayne into a drunk orgy ****e and turned martha wayne into a heroin addict. Oh did I forget to mention that Alfred is Bruce's dad? Yeah...Morrison is talented at being creative and he has strong dialog, but I don't enjoy the bulk of his work.

-Superboy Prime is probably the worst character DC ever created. He is supposed to be a sympathetic character but half the time he just comes off as an ***hole. He was cool during Crisis on Infinite Earth's, but his character was so different back then. Now he is just self-serving, selfish and a bit of a monster. Plus...reality punch? That was a retcon so lame that it is second only to Joe Q and One More Day (though for its defense, it did give us a really cool take on a retconned Jason Todd).

-Too many back to back to back to back events. When Identity Crisis led to Infinite Crisis...that was cool. When 52 was proposed, I loved it. I wondered how Marvel was going to match such a feat. I even like the idea now of weekly books. The Japanese have been doing it for decades. So I consider America some what behind when it comes to this. But now, since these books are only being written as huge events, it has become some what annoying. Anytime something major happens I have to read 52 issues of a non-regular title, as well as an attached series (52 and Infinite Crisis. Countdown and Final Crisis). That gets old. That's why Secret Invasion is my summer event. Some tie ins...but they are totally option. Only 8 issues to read. And some Marvel books avoid it entirely (Uncanny X-Men, Amazing Spider-Man).

-A little too much death. Comic death used to mean something. When Gwen Stacy died, no super hero had ever failed before. At least not on such a catastrophic scale. When Robin was killed, nobody thought they would kill off such a long standing element of Batman. After that...it started to lose its edge. Because you never knew who was going to get murdered next. But now...every time you turn around, DC is murdering somebody.

Maxwell Lord
Ted Kord
Spoiler (retconned)
Dozens of heroes during the Superboy Prime fight
Hundreds of Lanterns during the SB Prime fight and the Sinestro Corp fight

and thats just off the top of my head. I just get sick of writers deciding that folks have to die every ten issues in order to keep my attention. I'd actually be more shocked and amazed if a book had a cover that said "Guess who survies and actually lives!"

-Firing Chuck Dixon was just stupid. At least if they fired him. There is a chance that he just decided to not renew a contract, but I don't know the whole situation. What I do know, is that outside of Paul Dini, Jeph Loeb and Greg Rucka, Chuck Dixon is one of my favorite Batman writers. He also did a few Year One books that were pretty nice reads. All DC has left is Meltzer, Johns, Dini and Simone. Ahh Gail Simone...I don't think they'll lose her. I hope...


For DC's defense...their cartoon series are still better than Marvel's. Marvel has yet to recapture the glory of Spider-Man TAS and X-Men TAS. The Dark Knight is going to be better than The Hulk (but I don't think I will enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Iron Man, which I saw in theatres twice). And I don't know how things have gone in Justice League. After it took eons to select a team and even longere to move on from the side story about Red Tornado, I just sort of abandoned it.

 

[The Eagle Host]

Exactly! it's a comedy.

It's comical that people even read it anymore.

 

[CBG]

It's comical that people even read it anymore.

I still read it.

 

[Arach Knight]

It's still been over a year since the last issue, hasn't it? I guess Frank Miller must really be busy with Sin City 2 and The Spirit (at least I thought he was attached to that project).

 

[CBG]

It's still been over a year since the last issue, hasn't it? I guess Frank Miller must really be busy with Sin City 2 and The Spirit (at least I thought he was attached to that project).

Uh. . . what?

Usually, Jim Lee's late.

Heck, look at Wildcats. 1 issue so far.