The Official "DC dosent really know what they're doing, do they?" thread

[yenaled]

I don't buy into it but from here

Not that things look set to get better anytime soon; with confirmation on Monday that concern that JG Jones won't be able to meet deadline on Final Crisis has led to another artist being assigned to draw parts of each future issue bringing yet more calls for DiDio to step down or be fired, it's beginning to look like the rumors that DC is looking for a new guy to turn the publisher around and rebuild bridges with creators, retailers, fans and anyone else who's still paying attention when DiDio's current contract expires in October (or perhaps even earlier) may be true after all.

But who would that new guy be? The loudest buzz is around Jimmy Palmiotti, currently under an exclusive contract as a writer for DC Comics, but whose previous positions include co-founding Event Comics and co-head of Marvel's "Marvel Knights" imprint, both with friend and current Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada. Palmiotti's name has been mentioned as possible replacement in comic pro circles for a while now, and a recent Publishers Weekly article about DC's troubles quickly turned into a "Palmiotti for Boss" session.

Interesting that the rumours are circling anyway.

 

[The Eagle Host]

I still read it.

Hahahahahaha!

It's still been over a year since the last issue, hasn't it?

It's been 2 or 3 months.

I don't buy into it but from here

Interesting that the rumours are circling anyway.

The first Marvel crossover would be within 2 weeks.

 

[CBG]

Hahahahahaha!

Sure, it's not the iconic Batman depiction like it was suppose to be.

But it's a hilarious, over-the-top, goddamn Batman. You can like it for that or don't. Not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[The Eagle Host]

No, you can only not like it. There is no "or."

 

[CBG]

No, you can only not like it. There is no "or."

But there is. You can either like it or don't.

 

[Arach Knight]

Dan Dido hasn't been all bad. He did spearhead 52. That was a pretty prodigious event. But DC has been languishing as of late. EIC is a tough position.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I never got that SBP was sympathetic. Ever.

I like him as a villain BECAUSE I hate his guts. That's what you're supposed to do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never thought he was sympathetic either. Whatever's happened to him, whatever he's lost, there are lines you absolutely don't cross if you want to remain sympathetic, and SBP blew right through all of them.

I still don't even like him as a villain you love to hate, though. I just think he's a waste of space with a far-too-convenient sliding power level who needs to be put out of my misery.

It's comical that people even read it anymore.

Don't you still read it, you hypocrite?

 

[The Eagle Host]

No, I don't. I've cleaned up.

And Superboy Prime is a s***ty character, just like every other Kryptonian that isn't Superman, Krypto or (Azzarello's) Zod.

 

[CBG]

I never got that SBP was sympathetic. Ever.

Well, he lost his entire home and everyone he knew, and couldn't even enjoy life proper in the new universe after COIE. That's a hard pill to swallow, if you ask me.

Of course, that in no way justifies his killing rampage and disregard for other people. He stopped being sympathetic after IC#4, if not #6.

I like him as a villain BECAUSE I hate his guts. That's what you're supposed to do.

This.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I don't. I've cleaned up.

And Superboy Prime is a s***ty character, just like every other Kryptonian that isn't Superman, Krypto or (Azzarello's) Zod.

I could do without Krypto, too.

 

[The Eagle Host]

I like Krypto because I'm a dog person and I like dog stories.

 

[Blader5489]

I don't buy into it but from here



Interesting that the rumours are circling anyway.

Palmiotti wouldn't be a bad choice at all. The Marvel Knights imprint was a major factor in turning Marvel around; it was also what gave Quesada the EIC chair.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Krypto because I'm a dog person and I like dog stories.

**** dogs. There should be a Kryptonian super-dinosaur.

 

[CBG]

**** dogs. There should be a Kryptonian super-dinosaur.

What? No love for insects?

 

[The Eagle Host]

**** dogs. There should be a Kryptonian super-dinosaur.

Oh god, I just performed at least two bodily functions in my pants.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What? No love for insects?

Only if they're squished.

 

[Arach Knight]

Well, he lost his entire home and everyone he knew, and couldn't even enjoy life proper in the new universe after COIE. That's a hard pill to swallow, if you ask me.

Of course, that in no way justifies his killing rampage and disregard for other people.

I don't own the issue of Wizard anymore, but that was pretty much the point they made in their interview. You were supposed to feel sorry for Superboy Prime because he is supposed to be this misunderstood person and that misunderstanding corrupted him. Personally, I feel like they failed at driving that dynamic home. He became too violent too fast. He was overly aggressive.

It was cool for the first two pages when he was confronting Conner. He was still timid because Conner had been a hero for far longer...but once the fighting broke out...Superboy Prime fell apart. He also ruins the character of Superman. People are supposed to feel bad for Kal-El because he is the "last son of krypton." But some how every month, one of these jerks pops up from the phantom zone, an alternate universe, pocket dimension, time/reality paradox. If anyone needed a retcon (that didn't involve his origin story like Man of Steel, Birthright etc), it would be Superman.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the post-Infinite Crisis retcon was actually to explore Superman as not the Last Son of Krypton, actually. Kurt Busiek actually said in an interview that they'd done the Superman-as-sole-survivor angle for like 40 years and they were trying something new by lifting the ban on Kryptonians. Hence the return of the Kryptonian Supergirl, all the alternate Supermen intruding on New Earth, that old Kryptonian chick from "The Third Kryptonian," Chris Kent, a more movie-based Zod and Ursa, etc.

Personally, I liked it better when Superman was the only Kryptonian and the bond between him and people like Supergirl and Superboy was that they were all outcast orphans who had no other home than with each other. It was a lot more poignant and interesting than just, "Oh, we're all from Krypton somehow."

 

[Arach Knight]

Basically I see this leading to the same sad place that Dragon Ball Z went. At first, there was only supposed to be one Super Saiyan, because they were legendary. So after a while, you get Goku. That's fine. Then Vegeta becomes one. And your like "well Goku was supposed to be the only one, but since Vegeta is his rival, he can't be too outpaced or it will ruin that dynamic." Then next thing you know, you get a Super Saiyan from the not so distant future (Trunks). Then Goku and Vegeta each have a son...and though it took their fathers decades, these kids become Super Saiyans by the age of 7. It just detracted from the legend of the Super Saiyan.

Not too different is Superman (not so ironically, the original alien orphan with amazing powers). He is supposed to be this lone figure. He is a deity among men who feels secluded not only because he will outlive these people, but because once there were others like himself and now there are none. Then they bring in Supergirl...okay thats okay. There was bound to be at least one survivor. Then they give him Krypto...okay so it wasn't on the ship with him...but whatever. Man's best friend. Next thing you knew, Kryptonians kept popping up left and right. Not only does it make Supermans character diminish because there is no threat strong enough to take down a team of Kryptonians, except another team of Kryptonians, but it also makes him less interesting. And Superman is already boring enough with his near omnipotence.

The loner angle is tired out, but it is his tired out angle. I'd rather see them ignore that angle for a few years and have him move on, rather than keep introducing new Kryptonians. I gurantee you, at some point there will be a deep space Krypton II or New Krypton where it turns out there is a flourishing population of Kryptonians, including some unknown relatives of Kal-El. Then he'll have to debate if he feels more like a human of earth or more like a Kryptonian. Can almost guarantee that this will happen down the line soon.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I was thinking of ASB&R, Justice Society, and Green Lantern, specifically. I strongly suspect Morrison's Batman sucks too, but I haven't read it so I don't know.

I have to disagree on "Green Lantern". After receiving the advice from a couple of people to avoid "Green Lantern" and stick to the far superior "Green Lantern Corps", I thought that I was alone in finding the current take on Hal Jordan's origin to be a great read. And then I went back and read the "No Fear" TPB, and thought it was excellent. "Green Lantern Corps" is good, and under your recommendation I happily added it to my monthly pull-list, but I think Johns' work on "Green Lantern" is on a whole other level.

And I was relieved to discover that I'm not the only one who thinks so, with sites like IGN, Comics Bulletin and Comic Book Resources chucking out top-scoring reviews for the title like candy bars. Now, I don't read a whole bunch of comic books regularly, but when I look back at stuff from 2006 and see foreshadowing for "Blackest Night", I have to say that "Green Lantern" is surely one of the most tightly-plotted, engaging titles out there right now.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Yep, I agree. LOVING all the GL related titles right now, and I used to hate the entire concept.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The loner angle is tired out, but it is his tired out angle. I'd rather see them ignore that angle for a few years and have him move on, rather than keep introducing new Kryptonians. I gurantee you, at some point there will be a deep space Krypton II or New Krypton where it turns out there is a flourishing population of Kryptonians, including some unknown relatives of Kal-El. Then he'll have to debate if he feels more like a human of earth or more like a Kryptonian. Can almost guarantee that this will happen down the line soon.

Well, they've already got the bottle city of Kandor, which we just saw Brainiac scoop up and take away, filled to the brim with Kryptonians.

I have to disagree on "Green Lantern". After receiving the advice from a couple of people to avoid "Green Lantern" and stick to the far superior "Green Lantern Corps", I thought that I was alone in finding the current take on Hal Jordan's origin to be a great read. And then I went back and read the "No Fear" TPB, and thought it was excellent. "Green Lantern Corps" is good, and under your recommendation I happily added it to my monthly pull-list, but I think Johns' work on "Green Lantern" is on a whole other level.

And I was relieved to discover that I'm not the only one who thinks so, with sites like IGN, Comics Bulletin and Comic Book Resources chucking out top-scoring reviews for the title like candy bars. Now, I don't read a whole bunch of comic books regularly, but when I look back at stuff from 2006 and see foreshadowing for "Blackest Night", I have to say that "Green Lantern" is surely one of the most tightly-plotted, engaging titles out there right now.

I'm well aware that I'm in the minority in disliking Johns' GL. The whole thing comes off as a fanboy love letter to Hal Jordan, which is just not something I'm interested in. I also think the idea of an emotional spectrum is stupid, and I'm disappointed that Johns is shoehorning it into everything he can, even stuff that's not related to Green Lantern (like completely changing Rainbow Girl's powers to match the emotional spectrum). As of right now, I'm perfectly content to stick with Green Lantern Corps, which actually preserves and continues the traditional GL concepts I knew and loved, and ignore Johns' retcon-happy GL.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

The first Marvel crossover would be within 2 weeks.

Lol, my thoughts exactly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't mind one bit. Marvel/DC crossovers can be fun. Outside of newbs bringing them up as 'proof' that one publisher is superior to the other, I quite enjoy them most of the time.